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ESRB Revokes San Andreas Rating

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the wow dept.

Games 913

Alex Blonski writes "In a stunning move, the ESRB has advised retailers to stop selling Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. This report follows public pressure over the Hot Coffee debacle. Rockstar, the publishers of the game have given retailers the option of restickering the game with an 18+ rating or exchanging it for a new version with the controversial content removed. ESRB head Patricia Vance says 'After a thorough investigation, we have concluded that sexually explicit material exists in a fully rendered, unmodified form on the final discs of all three platform versions of the game (i.e., PC CD-ROM, Xbox and PS2). However, the material was programmed by Rockstar to be inaccessible to the player and they have stated that it was never intended to be made accessible. The material can only be accessed by downloading a software patch, created by an independent third party without Rockstar's permission, which is now freely available on the internet and through console accessories. Considering the existence of the undisclosed and highly pertinent content on the final discs, compounded by the broad distribution of the third party modification, the credibility and utility of the initial ESRB rating has been seriously undermined.'"

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People are still having sex (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13117339)

This makes me want to kill the ESRB board, but I will do one better, I will run around naked in front of them. Well at least now we have a new scapegoat, the Doom one was getting old...

Re:People are still having sex (5, Funny)

Valiss (463641) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117421)

This makes me want to kill the ESRB board, but I will do one better, I will run around naked in front of them.

Whoa! Hold up there, champ. It's one thing to threaten some violence, but threatening nudity? Now you've gone too far! Think of the children!!

Re:People are still having sex (4, Informative)

badmammajamma (171260) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117492)

Yes, running around carjacking cars, shooting people, and beating up whores is American as apple pie but SEX?!?! OMFG...what are you people thinking?!

Re:People are still having sex (4, Insightful)

turgid (580780) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117518)

Pah! Nudity? What about consensual constructive adult nudity as an act of love which is intended to create new life?

Come to think of it, no. Bring on the guns and bombs.

In other news... (5, Insightful)

DeathPenguin (449875) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117342)

In a move equally stunning to neglegent parents everywhere, Captain Obvious has advised that people stop paying attention to the ESRB and take a more proactive stance in monitoring the content that they're buying for their kids. He also advised that parents pay more attention to other aspects of games, such as violence and racial overtones, and not use sex alone as a deciding factor for whether or not to buy a game, movie, music CD, etc. Experts predict that people will ignore this advice and continue to rely on other people to raise their kids for them.

Re:In other news... (3, Insightful)

spiricom (117567) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117419)

Being a relatively old fart (32), I have to ask: do any stores/regions in the USA actually card people buying an 18+ ESRB game? Since this is a self-imposed rating system (?), is there much enforcement?

Re:In other news... (2, Interesting)

PaxTech (103481) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117454)

I bought it the night it came out at the local Gamestop, and quite a few underage kids were standing in line with their parents, since they apparently couldn't buy it alone. So I guess it gets enforced at some places at least.

Re:In other news... (1, Insightful)

Nos. (179609) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117542)

Isn't this the bigger problem? I mean how many of these parents are probably complaining about the sex scene in the game. They're okay if the kid is playing a game that encourages you to pick up a hooker, pay for sex, have sex, then beat up the hooker to get your money back. However, actually show a realistic sex scene just goes to far!

Note: The hooker stuff I know was in GTA Vice City - not sure if its in this one, and I've never actually seen what's in this Hot Coffee scene.

Re:In other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13117498)

I am over 6 feet tall, I hadn't shaved, and was buying 400 dollars worth of stuff and I was carded at best buy trying to buy the GTA dual pack for xbox. I rarely get carded at liquor stores now so yes, it does happen.

Re:In other news... (5, Insightful)

fbartho (840012) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117445)

I personally think its gotta get boring to have to keep repeating that mantra over and over again. You're a parent, its your job to raise your kids. Its ultimately your responsibility. All these social systems to supposedly protect your children are really there to protect your children if you don't do a good enough job in protecting them yourself. This means that broadcast TV had pressures to be family oriented, both because parents wanted to be able to watch things with their kids, but also because TV would be a convenient device that serves as an electronic nanny. As long as the runt is glued to the TV/Game Console, they can't fall down the stairs with scissors. The problem comes from the things we don't normally view as sharp/dangerous, that are corrupting our kids minds. Raising a kid is a full-time job, at times more than even 2 people can comfortably handle. There is risk in the real world, but every parent has to choose what is an acceptable risk level for kids. If they err on the side of danger, their kids may get hurt, and it will be their fault.

Re:In other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13117508)

Thank you Captain Obvious

Re:In other news... (1)

randallpowell (842587) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117583)

LOL

It's true. Why think for yourself when the Evangelical Trinity (Falwell, Dobson, and Robertson) can do all your thinking for you. Don't buy CDs, books (especially Harry Potter), films, etc without their permission. Thiking for yourself may cause odd behavior like questioning authority and reduce wasteful spending.

In further news... (5, Funny)

Werkhaus (549466) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117346)

People found to be naked under clothes.

Re:In further news... (2, Funny)

interiot (50685) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117509)

Shhh, it's supposed to be secret! Don't broadly distribute this third-party modification over the internet, or it will be the end of our fun...

Re:In further news... (1)

shawn(at)fsu (447153) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117570)

Wasn't there a patch/hack for the sims to do the same thing? I don't remeber people making such a big fuss over that.

Also in further news (5, Funny)

pHatidic (163975) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117535)

Bicycles are made illegal because children can go on the Internet and download porn.

Re:In further news... (1)

Ruie (30480) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117573)

In Soviet America people don't have sex !

FP? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13117349)

Could it be? I dunno.. OMG crappy pixelated sex o_O

Death throes of the ESRB? (1)

magicchex (898936) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117354)

So is this the beginning of the end for the ESRB having any real power?

No Sex please, we are Br^H^H (4, Funny)

DF5JT (589002) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117359)

Merkins.

'Nuff said.

priorities? (3, Insightful)

huphtur (259961) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117368)

One can show pixel people gettin blown up by all kinds of pixel weapons, yet when there's one pixel nipple to be seen, the whole country goes up in arms about it?

Re:priorities? (1)

AmiNTT (539586) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117402)

So it would appear.

And, from what I have heard, there is no visible genitalia. Good grief people, this is carrying it a bit too far. Really too far.

Of course (1, Troll)

Sanity (1431) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117451)

Violence is American, sex and nakedness are both rather... um... French.

Re:Of course (0, Offtopic)

shatfield (199969) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117549)

America is violent, barbaric, and 2 minutes out of the stone age.

It makes me wonder who is more barbaric: Sadam for torturing and killing tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians or Bush for torturing and killing tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians.

Unfortunately, show me a country that doesn't rely on war to keep the peace and I'll show you a country that is ripe for the taking by one that does.

Re:Of course (5, Funny)

NineNine (235196) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117577)

If that's true, then I need to look into changing my citizenship status to become French! I'll take sex over violence *any day*.

Re:priorities? (2, Insightful)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117495)

Not quite correct. The objectional sex in this game would have been perfectly acceptable if the woman was brutally murdered after it was done. At least, that's how things sometimes appear to work.

Re:priorities? (-1, Flamebait)

halo8 (445515) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117536)

Mabey it was a black womans nipple?

\im not a troll
\\mabey i should have posted this on fark?
\\\here goes my karma :(
\\\\any pretty white women go missing today?

Re:priorities? (2, Insightful)

failure-man (870605) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117585)

Good question. Basically it all boils down to the larger issue of American culture fetishizing violence and demonizing sex.

Why this happens . . . . who knows, but it does serve as more proof that Americans are, in general, completely out of their minds.

(First person to post "GO BACK TO FRANCE!!!111one" will get beaten to death with a dildo.)

Probably the best take on this... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13117373)

WTF (1)

koreaman (835838) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117375)

I fail to see how someone could think that they don't deserve to see simulated sex after downloading the GTA:SA sex patch...

nice publicity (4, Interesting)

lecithin (745575) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117376)

"However, the material was programmed by Rockstar to be inaccessible to the player and they have stated that it was never intended to be made accessible."

Right. Sure.

What would the reason be to put it in there then? Perhaps the publicity that they are getting now? My 8 y/o son would not have known about GTA except that it has been in the news lately. (Yep, an 8 y/o that watches the news)

"Rockstar, the publishers of the game have given retailers the option of restickering the game with an 18+ rating or exchanging it for a new version with the controversial content removed."

Well, I suspect that most will put a sticker on the game and continue to sell as usual. I also suspect that if a 15 y/o wants to buy one, they still will be able to do so.

Re:nice publicity (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117532)

What would the reason be to put it in there then? Perhaps the publicity that they are getting now?

Unlikely. The coders really have no idea about marketting. The marketting people are too clueless to realise thta it would be possible to put in content that was inaccessible without a patch, and any explicit request to do so would be politically dangerous since it would leave a paper trail.

It was probably something that they threw together for a demo to rpove it could be done, but didn't make it into the actual game on account of it being stupid and likely to make them lose the "Mature" rating

Re:nice publicity (4, Insightful)

Acy James Stapp (1005) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117539)

As a game developer, sometimes you write something and the suits say you can't put it in, so you just comment out the call to activate it. It's a lot easier than pulling all the source and assets out of the game. Time pressures abound and a thirty-second fix impresses the higher-ups a lot more than a two-day hunt to find and remove all of the offending assets.

Re:nice publicity (1)

Dhalka226 (559740) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117571)

What would the reason be to put it in there then?

An alternate theory is that the developer who wrote it DID intend to put it in, but that before it was released the higher-ups nixed it (probably to avoid the AO rating), it was made inaccessible and forgotten about.

The problem with AO versus M, as I understand it, is that some retailers (including Wal-Mart) refuse to sell AO games, so I can fully see a Rockstar manager or exec going, "if we leave in this mini-game, we're going to get an AO tag and lose $XXX million. Take it out."

Re:nice publicity (4, Informative)

the_skywise (189793) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117584)

As an ex-game programmer, there's TONS of stuff we left in various games. Some intentional, some not so intentional.

I can't speak for how GTA is setup, but in our case some of the stuff went out because of a lock down in the code/data. When *any* change would be considered a potential to introduce bugs it was safer to lock down *everything* and go as it was.

Re:nice publicity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13117590)

A lot of content makes it into games that players are never meant to see. Often times monsters, levels or game mechanics are still present in the final code, but never used/disabled. Often, removing the objects or codes from these sections of the game could break the rest of the game.

Halo and Halo 2 for example left in an alien race never used by the game (in Halo the Covenant engineer, and Halo 2 the juggrenaut).

Rockstar was stupid for leaving content that explosive in, but it doesn't look like a calculated move.

Char

Re:nice publicity (1)

SloJohn (894738) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117593)

How many people want this game and don'y have it? The newly stickered game might ssell 20,000 more copies, but is that really alot?

Hmm.. (4, Informative)

trmj (579410) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117377)

I believe that Penny Arcade's [penny-arcade.com] news and comic today sum up this whole situation best.

The Video (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13117378)

GTA San Andreas "Hot Coffee"

Coral Cache of some of the content in question:

http://files.gtanet.com.nyud.net:8090/gtasa/videos /hotcoffee.wmv [nyud.net]

Get it while it's hot?

Is "The Sims" also rated AO? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13117381)

because of the "nude Sims" patch floating around?

Re:Is "The Sims" also rated AO? (4, Insightful)

m50d (797211) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117567)

I know people don't RTFA, but is it too much to ask to RTFSummary? "After a thorough investigation, we have concluded that sexually explicit material exists in a fully rendered, unmodified form on the final discs". That's the difference.

Just slap the new rating on it... (1)

zenslug (542549) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117383)

...and watch as it sells even better than before. This publicity will only help sales.

Increasing sales (1)

drewzhrodague (606182) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117441)

Totally, I am just worried that I won't be able to find the game anymore, if it goes off the shelves, or the EBay price gets jacked up. Of course, my SO and I have to finish GTA:VC first...

Re:Just slap the new rating on it... (1)

pete6677 (681676) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117540)

I think this whole thing was an intentional stunt by Rockstar to boost sales and get free advertising. What marketing plan could possibly be better than this one? Nothing sells like controversy.

Great PR (2, Interesting)

Renesis (646465) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117384)

This is awesome PR for Rockstar. They're lapping it up!

There's no such thing as bad publicity. Now it's an 18+ they'll sell twice as many copies!

This will probably increase interest in the game (2, Insightful)

Perekrestok (900710) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117386)

The funniest thing is that all these people that raised a stink over the "Hot Coffee" mod are just bringing free publicity to an already very popular game. They're essentially giving Rockstar free advertising.

What a hive of stupidity (2, Insightful)

Darren Winsper (136155) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117388)

In GTA San Andreas, you can mow down innocent pedestrians one one side of the street whilst smashing up your stolen car. That's fine, that's an M rating for you. What? There's sex too?! Dear God man, pull it from the shelves!

Society depresses me.

Re:What a hive of stupidity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13117569)

s/society/american &/

What if... (3, Interesting)

Psionicist (561330) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117390)

This is rediciulous. What if I release a patch that will just replace the textures of any game (say Windows Solitair, or some Harry Potter game) with hardcore porn? Assume the patch becomes widespread after the game has been released.

Will this... organization... advise stores to stop sell this game too?

Re:What if... (1)

Shky (703024) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117477)

The difference is that the GTA developers put the content in there, and that the patch just unlocks it. As far as I know, the same isn't true with Solitare.

Re:What if... (2, Insightful)

yui_unifex (139481) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117553)

This makes absolutely no difference because the content is just as inaccessible to the player.

Re:What if... (1)

sp0rk173 (609022) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117541)

I'de like to buy this patch you speak of. When will you make it available?

Fox News Called they are suing /. for copying them (1)

fuck technology (896306) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117392)

is slashdot ESRB-Watch or something?

America (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13117395)

As a British person (of 15 years of age), I pity you Americans. What the fuck is your problem with the human body? Why an 18+ when the 17+ was appropriate for the game, even with the minigame?

Re:America (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13117489)

You're absolutely right. I, for one, would love to see more naked people. Buncha prudes 'round here.

Re:America (2, Insightful)

richdun (672214) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117519)

I, as an American, wonder too what sudden discovery we think happens during that year betwen turning 17 years old and turning 18 years old. It's almost as archaic as the drinking age - at 18, I can help pick the "leader of the free world" (yes, through some long arduous and equally archaic process, but still) yet I cannot consume an alcoholic beverage (legally).

The bottom line to me though is still that ratings and such just point out our own moral stupidity - I know of very few under the age of 17 who make enough money to buy all these video games, yet when such a game is available to purchase to these youngsters, we scream and rant at the industry to prevent this by placing some stupid rating on the game so the dude at Wal-Mart has to press an extra "enter" to verify the age of the purchaser. Anyone ever think about just not giving their kids the money to buy the game?

Or better yet, why not trying paying attention to what you kids do/say/watch/play once in a while? I know, I know, I'm asking too much. After all, parents are people too - why should they have to take responsibility for the lives they bring into the world when they can just press the "easy" button all the time and place restrictions on all of society.

The human body? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13117523)

The human body or two human bodies performing sexual acts?

There is quite a difference between the two.

MOD Parent up! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13117581)

Now this AC is more insightful than the prepubescent Brit kid.

Re:America (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13117548)

O god, don't say fuck and human body in the same sentence!

Wasn't the rating supposed to just ADVISE?!??! (1)

OneMemeMofo (901314) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117399)

Maybe I'm mistaken; I have gotten older since this system started with the Congressional worry over Mortal Kombat's finishing moves. But wasn't the rating system devised to just ADVISE parents of the content and not ,as is now common practice, actually restrict access to the game itself? Sigh, once again... It was rated M for Mature... Is putting an 18+ sticker on the box going to suddenly make a parent become a "concerned" parent?!?!?

Why on Xbox/PS2? (1, Insightful)

bradleycarpenter (703005) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117404)

Why revoke the rating on the XBox/PS2. It is impossible to get to that content in these versions. Only way on the PC version is through a software patch. Sure the stuff is in there, but it isn't like Rockstar left this content open for anyone to access. I'm guessing this kind of stuff is more common in computer games than we even know. Just that this is the first one where someone was able to unlock that content.

Re:Why on Xbox/PS2? (1)

Donniedarkness (895066) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117503)

Actually, the content is still accessable... you'd have to upload the game onto your Xbox, though...then install the mod made especially for the Xbox version to unlock this. From the sounds of it, it is a lot of trouble...especially for someone under 18 who can't access porn the regular way.

17+, 18+, whatever... (4, Insightful)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117405)

Clearly in that critical year you become mature enough to be allowed to consume renderings of fully clothed individuals in sexual positions.

Seventeen year-olds just aren't ready for that kind of stuff yet. Their exposure to sexual situations should be limited to what they do with their boyfriends/girlfriends in the back seat of their parent's car when they're "at the movies."

Oh, BTW, to all the parents out there... Your 8 year old probably says 'fuck' all the time when he knows you're not around, so you can get over yourself already.

Re:17+, 18+, whatever... (2, Insightful)

Dragon218 (139996) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117534)

Oh, BTW, to all the parents out there... Your 8 year old probably says 'fuck' all the time when he knows you're not around, so you can get over yourself already.

Bwahahahahaha. This person speaks the truth. When I was 6 I found that magical word, and haven't stopped using it yet.

Fuck, it feels good to say fuck.

TTWO is off $1.50 in afterhours trading (1)

ostiguy (63618) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117406)

closes at 27.07, now at 25.50

ostiguy

Time for an updated patch! (1)

MobyDisk (75490) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117410)

or exchanging it for a new version with the controversial content removed.
Shoot, I'll have to wait for the updated patch, that includes the graphics. :-) So what will they do then?

Crazy (1)

warpwhistle (900988) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117412)

I Can't believe Take-Two's reaction is to recall the game and start over. Wouldn't it make much more sense to just bump up the age rating by one year?

Three, Two, One... (1)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117415)

and cue the court cases against Rockster.

Next: FCC Action (2, Funny)

sehlat (180760) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117429)

The FCC will be investigating the "pixel malfunction" in GTASA, obviously.

retarded... (1)

utnow (808790) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117431)

So a bunch of people who are seeking it out figure out a way to (painfully) unlock some digital sex scenes... So lets uproot the world and make a big deal out of it to make sure that everyone sees it. sad...

What's REALLY sad.... (2, Interesting)

Donniedarkness (895066) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117438)

My grandfather was at my house yesterday...blaming my 14-year-old cousin having sex with his girlfriend on GTA: SA, which he purchased a few weeks ago.

All this time, I thought that 14-year-olds had sex because of hormones (or, in some rare cases, having actual feelings for another).

I just had to share that with you guys.

Ironic, Funny (1)

Vampyre_Dark (630787) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117442)

People who follow this game would know that Rockstar has promised a 'big secret' that we would all love hidden inside the game that had yet to be revealed.

I have to wonder if this was it, and there is a way to access it programatically through normal play, perhaps if you achieve 100% in everything, or achieved some other goal.

Ebay here I come! (2, Insightful)

BaudKarma (868193) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117447)

Starting bid of $100 for this banned game.

What is this going to accomplish? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13117452)

Considering that the script and media files are already out there, and that the game is relatively easy to mod, what is going to stop modders from releasing slightly more elaborate patches that will put the hot coffee mission right back in GTA SA 1.1?

Won't this blow up in Rockstar's face again when hot coffee sex starts showing up in the modified version of the game?

well, obviously (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13117453)

We live in a culture which embraces violence and shuns sexuality.

Glad I bought it last week, then. (3, Informative)

EvilMagnus (32878) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117456)

I thought something like this might happen. It's asinine, but pretty predictable.

Today's Penny Arcade [penny-arcade.com] news deals with this, where Tycho lays out the crucial difference between a "Mature" title and an "Adults Only" title : time.
The ESRB is suggesting that they may change the rating of the game to Adults Only, a category that by their own definition should see a great deal more use in a retail environment. This is great. Look at the descriptions for these.

MATURETitles rated M (Mature) have content that may be suitable for persons ages 17 and older. Titles in this category may contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content, and/or strong language.

Or, as the rest of our culture calls it, "Rated R." Check out AO.

ADULTS ONLY Titles rated AO (Adults Only) have content that should only be played by persons 18 years and older. Titles in this category may include prolonged scenes of intense violence and/or graphic sexual content and nudity.

This can't seriously be their distinction. The scenes are longer? I played Resident Evil 4 nearly 26 hours, all told. I'm going to say that maybe nineteen hours of it was spent looking down the iron sights at humanoids. The reality is that once a person is 18, a violent videogame is fairly minor in the spectrum of "adult" content available to that person. Looking over my collection, if the duration of the violence is the distinguishing factor, I'm trying to figure out what purpose Mature serves other than to remove the stigma from otherwise "adult" content and grease the wheels at retail.
Yup, that's it. Time. Pretty incredible.

Take two... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13117470)

...and add it to the ESRB rating to derive the actual rating.

A generation is saved! (5, Insightful)

TopShelf (92521) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117476)

From TFA:

Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. (NASDAQ: TTWO - News) announced today that the Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB) has changed the rating of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas on all platforms from "Mature 17+" (M) to "Adults Only 18+"

So basically, they've made the decision that 17 year-olds just shouldn't see this two-bit low-res porn hack, and stick with the carjacking, wanton murder, and other wholesome activites within GTA. 18 year-olds are qualified for the whole ball o' wax, though.

Amazing...

One thing I've never understood (0, Redundant)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117479)

15yo kids are having sex in all the imaginable forms (so much that they're been taught about sex, contraceptives and abortion at 12) - and we're worried because a game (where you can batter an old man to death) has sex scenes?

Something's not logical in here. I still can't find out what it is, i just know something's wrong. If anybody can give some insight, he'd be gladly welcome.

This is ridiculous (1, Redundant)

ZakuSage (874456) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117483)

17 year old: "I'm going to kill someone"
Authority Figure: "That's great... don't really care..."
17 year old: "Huh! BOOBIES!!!"
Authority Figure: "What's this?!" *beats 17 year old with a stick until he turns 18* "now you can look at all the pornography you want"

Thanks goodness I'm protected (1)

dmeranda (120061) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117496)

Meanwhile I get lots of naughty SPAM without an ID check, and even google images turns up stuff that will make my eyeballs melt out of my head. Not to mention that the URL bar in my browser is very dangerous, and should be banned. And have you even tried running the WebCollage screen saver? Where's the ESRB been?

Only in the USA.. (1, Interesting)

xtal (49134) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117497)

Would such a stink be caused over fairly benign sexual content in a game - and a game called GRAND THEFT AUTO, where apparently it is perfectly acceptable to run down the street with a minigun blowing away cops and law enforcement with abandon - but throw in a blowjob, and the world is ending!

HOLY CRAP WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!

The only thing that would make this more amusing.. is if it was a homosexual mod for the game; I can imagine they'd be burning copies of the game in the Fry's parking lot. Makes me wish I had the time to hack something like that together.. oh my.

It's a game for adults, not kids. Is this not crystal clear? Slippery slope, people..

How is it undermined? (0)

the_skywise (189793) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117500)

Is it the MPAA's fault for rating Disney's "The Rescuer's" G when there were pictures of naked women in the movie?

How about the original poster of Disney's "The Little Mermaid" containing a penis?

The code wasn't meant to be seen and can't be seen in the normal course of the game without running a special patch. Whereas the x rated material in the Disney stuff was right out in the open.

But somehow the ESRB is "undermined" because they didn't look for hidden easter eggs?

More likely this is the DEATH KNELL for easter eggs period!

What about WoW? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13117501)

I find this [filefront.com] hidden World of Warcraft sex/nude content more surprising. That game is supposed to be rated T.

Honestly, who cares that 17 year olds might see some crappy animated porn in GTA? It's just a opportunity for Clinton to come down hard on something she's been whining about for years.

With all that nudity now available (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13117504)

I just have to get a copy of that game!

Ban any game (1)

VAXGeek (3443) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117515)

Does this mean any game can be banned if a mod is made available to create mature situations?

Beginning of the End (4, Insightful)

Shky (703024) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117517)

This whole debacle is bad news. If retailers don't stop selling it, we're all in trouble. If the ESRB loses all credibility, the only thing stopping a full-on onslaught of legislative parenting will be gone. If the video game industry 'can't be trusted' to rule itself, the government will have to step in. Australia-like bans will be coming to a USA and Canada near you.

What part of "Mature" do people not understand? (1)

amrust (686727) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117520)

Nobody is doing this that doesn't know full well what they're after. And if we're talking about underage players, well... it's Mom and Dad's responsibility to know what their kids are doing, not the retailers.

If you're not old enough to see a nipple, chances are you shouldnt be playing GTA:SA anyway, modded or otherwise.

Good thing nobody bought this game already... (1)

Warlokk (812154) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117527)

We wouldn't want millions and millions of copies floating around out there being played by innocent children everywhere, now would we?

I got my copy for PC, found out about Hot Coffee about 3 days later... still haven't tried it, there's so much more interesting stuff to do in the game. I can't believe they folded this easy.

Whats really important here.. (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117528)

Where's the xbox and ps2 patches/hacks?

I hate playing console games on the PC as much as I'd hate playing zork on a NES.

new patch! (0, Offtopic)

boristdog (133725) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117533)

I found a patch in alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.pornstars that allows me to see naked chicks on ANY computer connected to the Internets!

Jessica Rabbit's Naughty Bits! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13117537)

So, if content that was never meant to be seen and no normal person would ever have discovered is now fair game for ratings, doesn't this mean that every animated movie where the artists got a bit bored and hid something naughty in one frame should now be rerated to R?

(Admittedly, Roger Rabbit was already not a G movie, but I've heard rumors at least of various frames in kiddie disney movies....)

Down with the ESRB (1)

Oracle of Bandwidth (528405) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117546)

Like the subject says. They are useless, and really should not exist.

Highly what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13117554)

"highly pertinent content"

prurient maybe?

"America" comments (1)

maximusind (893564) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117559)

Yes, apparently the majority of us Americans have problems with the human body and reproductive functions. To paraphrase something funny I heard on TV somewhere, "...teaching children that the cycle of life is a beautiful thing, and that YOUR GENITALS ARE IN NO WAY INVOLVED WITH IT!"

What else could you expect from a country settled by people who left their old country because church wasn't strict enough?[1][2]

[1] I'm American, and enjoy it. Things are slowly loosening up (you can show pregnant women on TV now!)

[2] Yes, I know that's not EXACTLY why they left, but it makes my point.

18+ For PG-13 Content? WTF? (1)

Horrortaxi (803536) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117575)

You have to go out of your way to display this content, and then when you do get it it's just PG-13 rated dry humping. How does that equal 18+? And why exactly is this better than the 17+ rating it already had? It makes no sense.

sex? (5, Funny)

DanThe1Man (46872) | more than 9 years ago | (#13117578)

I can get sex in a patch now? Like Nicorette?

That would save a lot of wrist strain.

The Bell Tolls... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13117592)

The ESRB has just signed their own death warrent. This move with eventually render them obsolete as publishers drop ratings, or list them theirselves on the box. I mean seriously, do you think people will end up not buying one of the hottest franchises of all time just because the ESRB logo isn't on the box? What's more likely to survive? There were video game rating methods before the ESRB. Games will continue on without them if necessary.
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