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OMG Girlz Don't Exist On Teh Intarweb!

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the yeah-they-do dept.

It's funny.  Laugh. 225

The Escapist has a brilliant article penned by a young woman who has to deal with blatant disbelief at her existence. Why? Because there are no women on the internet. From the article: "This is the story of my internet life. (I'm not quite sure if it's a good or bad thing that I have an internet life, but internet life it is.) I'm a girl, I play games and I exist on the internet. Or so you think. Time after time, I get told I'm not a girl and that I don't exist. It's happened so much that I'm beginning to think that it's true. So, I spend some time getting to know them. Who are these mysterious creatures called girls if they don't exist on the internet? What does this mean for the men of the internet?"

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I don't know what this guy is whining about... (5, Funny)

Senjutsu (614542) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954502)

or why he's pretending to be a chick, but everyone knows there are no girls on teh internets.

Re:I don't know what this guy is whining about... (1)

Ninjy (828167) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954521)

Yeah, slashdot is known to post fakes every once in a while.

Re:I don't know what this guy is whining about... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13955243)

Ha Ha. Her last name is Butt.

Re:I don't know what this guy is whining about... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13955304)

Sorry, Butts. I meant butts.

Re:I don't know what this guy is whining about... (1)

dorkygeek (898295) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955583)

Wow, he's actually got two of them?

Re:I don't know what this guy is whining about... (1)

Modern Fix (631127) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954555)

hahahaha

Re:I don't know what this guy is whining about... (5, Funny)

demeteloaf (865003) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954560)

wait, so you mean that all those girls in those chatrooms... those messages...

oh god, the horror!!!

Hot college girls here! (1)

BoomerSooner (308737) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954564)

Facebook [facebook.com] You do however need to verify you go to a uni to be able to sign up and see them! Mmmmm... hot young co-eds. (Or you could always look at myspace)

Re:I don't know what this guy is whining about... (5, Funny)

Mooga (789849) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954684)

In the middle of a FPS forums, I wouldn't believe there to be a chick. Because everyone knows that only nerds and geeks use the Internet. And 99.9% of woman are NOT nerds or geeks. This becomes a problem because you have millions of men growing up on Internet and not believing in the opposite gender. Or they only believe that woman have really big boobs and dress like sluts.

Now don't get me wrong! I personaly don't believe in these so called "people of another gender." Babys drop the sky and ride magical stars down... kinda like Kirby.

Re:I don't know what this guy is whining about... (2, Funny)

Frodo Crockett (861942) | more than 8 years ago | (#13956215)

This becomes a problem because you have millions of men growing up on Internet and not believing in the opposite gender. Or they only believe that woman have really big boobs and dress like sluts.

Dress up? Real women don't wear clothes!

Re:I don't know what this guy is whining about... (3, Interesting)

Seumas (6865) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954738)

Girls exist on the internet. It's just that most of their existance is based around whining (like this lousy Escapist article... why they keep showing up on Slashdot, I don't know...). Girls don't exist on the internet..? Then how do you explain Friendster, Makeoutclub, Livejournal, Deadjournal, eBay, suicidegirls and the other countless sites that consist of nothing but pathetic chicks rambling on about every single miniscule event in their life and whining about highschool-style romances and betrayals and jealousy? Not to mention all of the slutty chicks trolling for male attention online.

Girls on the internet are about as relevant (to me, at least) as girls on Jupiter. Who wants a chick that spends all of her time parked in a chair porking-out while surfing the internet all night long? Same thing I don't get about guys who want girls who are into gaming.... Why? If I want someone to game with, there are other dudes. The last thing I want is some chick that I'll never see because she'll always be online or arguing with me about who's turn it is to do something on line or spending all of our time instant messaging each other even though we're six feet apart in the same room.

I prefer chicks who don't even know what this "internet" thing is. And the ones who do, I just pretend they're guys in the first place.

Re:I don't know what this guy is whining about... (3, Insightful)

JimmehAH (817552) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955187)

...eBay...
Yeah. No better place to vent your feelings and have a long, heartfelt bitch about 'highschool-style romances and betrayals and jealousy' than...eBay.
WTF?

Also, who wants a guy who spends all his time parked in a chair porking-out? Dude, that's one hell of a double-standard you've got there.

Re:I don't know what this guy is whining about... (1)

melikamp (631205) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955238)

You've lost me at "existance"...

Re:I don't know what this guy is whining about... (1)

kasparov (105041) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955451)

See, here's the thing: most of the girls on the Internet probably don't actually care if you want them. Amazingly enough, there are a quite a few attractive, intelligent, computer-savvy females in the world who might enjoy doing some of the things (some of) us guys do. Some are even into gaming, programming, math, science, and other things that (some) guys are into. Another amazing thing: some of us guys are *really* into those girls. My girlfriend happens to fit the above description. She runs Linux at work and frequently ngrep, ethereal (ususaly tethereal), understands regex's and grep, and has been known to write perl code on occasion.

I bring all this up not to say "ha, ha I have an awesome girlfriend" (well, not just to say that), nor am I suggesting that you should like the same kinds of girls I do. But equating "girls on the internet" with people who pork out surfing the internet all night long might be a very narrow view of who these girls are. Some of us like girls that can actually challenge us at things--even things we like to do.

Re:I don't know what this guy is whining about... (3, Funny)

Allison Geode (598914) | more than 8 years ago | (#13956285)

The last thing I want is some chick that I'll never see because she'll always be online or arguing with me about who's turn it is to do something on line or spending all of our time instant messaging each other even though we're six feet apart in the same room.

wow. you sound JUST like a woman complaining that her boyfriend does nothing but play games and doesn't give her enough attention. you sure you're not a woman masquerading as a man so you're treated fairly on the internet?

(with all the gender bending, it gets a bit confusing sometimes.)

Re:I don't know what this guy is whining about... (3, Funny)

G-funk (22712) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955617)

<quagmire>

    You guys are yanking my chain right... oh... oh god! oh god no!

</quagmire>

Sampling Error (0)

redelm (54142) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954515)

If you hang out with moe-rons, don't be surprised when they act goofy.

The Internet is highly stratified. That one of it's strongest attractions, to allow dilut interests to assemble and give them forum.

Who Cares (3, Funny)

inio (26835) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954541)

Women are made from sand, and would we want something made of sand on the internet? If you've ever taken a laptop to the beach you know - sand and computers don't mix.

Re:Who Cares (3, Insightful)

dorkygeek (898295) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955612)

I hate to break it to you, but your actually reading /. using lots of sand. Ever wondered what your cpu is built from?

Re:Who Cares (1)

tsa (15680) | more than 8 years ago | (#13956309)

Silicon is not the stuff you find on the beach.

Simple (5, Funny)

Chrismith (911614) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954543)

The problem is that the type of guy who spends most of his life on the Internet probably doesn't have much "female interaction" to begin with. So when this guy meets a girl online, his initial reaction will be disbelief.

Note that this initial disbelief may soon be followed by, "OMG BOOBZ!!1!" so caution is advised.

Re:Simple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13954587)

Pfft, everybody knows it's spelled "BEWBS."

Re:Simple (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13954605)

"OMG BOOBZ!!1!"

Don't worry, she complies on page 2 (4?). :facepalm:

(Hint: nice picture, but, uh, it's kinda hard to take someone seriously when they include a boobie-shot. Kinda like "yeah, my argument is weak, here are some boobs to distract you.")

Oh god... (5, Funny)

aelbric (145391) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954551)

"Men of the Internet"

THERE'S a calendar I wouldn't want for Christmas.

Whatever. (1)

game kid (805301) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954727)

They can put it on calendars. I just won't buy 'em.

Now if they're in a Playboy special, we should really start killing the hostages.

which (1)

sakura the mc (795726) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954575)

internet are we talking about? there are many internets according to the president.

In order to defeat the calls for "pics plz" (2, Interesting)

Julian Morrison (5575) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954592)

...she gets her professionally taken pics plastered all over The Escapist.

Way to prove you're a girl, I suppose. Still, so much for the "I don't show my pic to random people" thing. Couldn't get much more random than that!

Re:In order to defeat the calls for "pics plz" (1)

game kid (805301) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954712)

she gets her professionally taken pics plastered all over The Escapist

As if I minded that. Her hotness makes them professional. Wear your geek shirt with pride, Whitney Butts*, for you beautify our race.

*That's just a horrible last name to be stuck with. I feel your agony from here.

Re:In order to defeat the calls for "pics plz" (1, Flamebait)

Seumas (6865) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955005)

You don't get out much, huh?

There's nothing sadder than guys who fawn all over lame ass "internet chicks" because they have no realistic scope and depth or breadth of experience to compare internet chicks with. Any chick who isn't outright ugly becomes totally hot in their minds, because they've never seen a hot chick out at a club or asked the cute starbucks girl out or anything.

I mean, I guess ugly girls need love, too. Just don't delude yourself into thinking that the girl you're loving is anything more than a mediocre internet chick.

You can call me a dick if you want, too. Just remember my words when you fall for the first chick that'll tolerate you and you're just too thrilled to have some chick with tits pay attention to you and you jump into something too quickly and regret it later. Guys need to be a bit more discerning. Even internet dork guys.

I can't count the number of times some friend has been all crazy over his new girlfriend and thinking she's the best thing on earth while the rest of us scratch our heads wondering why he's sunk so low.

Re:In order to defeat the calls for "pics plz" (2, Funny)

hunterx11 (778171) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955160)

What a hypocrite you are--you only get to be picky with your women because you have such a low uid.

Re:In order to defeat the calls for "pics plz" (4, Interesting)

shawb (16347) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955218)

I can't count the number of times some friend has been all crazy over his new girlfriend and thinking she's the best thing on earth while the rest of us scratch our heads wondering why he's sunk so low.

Happens on-line, happens off-line. Happens to guys, happens to gals. What really happened is they wanted to sleep with someone and didn't care about the consequences or if it was the right person for a relationship. The thinking she's the best thing on earth is just him not being able to seperate love from lust. Fitting your preconcieved model of what you think is hot really doesn't preclude wanting to sleep with them... sometimes even out of curiosity. Sometimes this miscongruence results in people justifying their hormones by attributing the feelings to emotional bonding.

Re:In order to defeat the calls for "pics plz" (1)

game kid (805301) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955883)

Understood, but I used hot in an absolute, not relative sense. I like her, but I can google with two random fucking words and find guys hotter on the first, Firefox-pre-loaded result.

I am single (from the obvious-news dept.) and frankly, I doubt I'd want that to change. I'm very closely related to some people who are (to put it lightly) annoyed and restricted like hell with their partners, so I learned your "words" well before you ever said them. I'm far more content with just looking than throwing myself into a singularity^W relationship.

In my defense, she reminded me of some girl(s?) that I like more.

Re:In order to defeat the calls for "pics plz" (1, Troll)

Seumas (6865) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954760)

The great thing about the internet is that fugly or barely average girls like that can get an ego boost from all the drooling nerds, wheras in real life a girl like that wouldn't even be able to remotely compete with almost any random chick from a night club (or a Starbucks) for that matter.

Re:In order to defeat the calls for "pics plz" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13954851)

It is comments like yours that make me wish there was a Dickhead moderation category.

Re:In order to defeat the calls for "pics plz" (1, Offtopic)

Seumas (6865) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954968)

You spelled "you're speakin' the truth, brutha category" wrong.

The feminazi squad will mod me down (2, Informative)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955270)

There's some sort of weird perception on this site that women dig sensitivity or whatever the fuck. You'll find this idea taking root anywhere large number of unused penises congregate. The strange this is how this idea continues to take root, since its adherents obviously don't reproduce.

eh..whatever...girls or guys it's all the same (2, Insightful)

BlastQuake (530459) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954616)

Who cares? Actually I have some very good friends who play Wow that are female - of course I've known them for years from playing a mud we all frequented, But neither I or my close friends have any problems with girl gamers, after all we're all here for the same reason - to have fun.

Re:eh..whatever...girls or guys it's all the same (1)

Mooga (789849) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954700)

I play TFC all the time and the server I play in has always had at least one or 2 female games. To make it more odd, they were all over 21...

City of Heroes has lots of women (4, Interesting)

spineboy (22918) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954795)

I've noticed that a fair amount of people on City of Heroes are women (stay at home moms) - maybe it has to do with the style of game it is - a cooperative type game. Men tend to like situations where you either compete against eachother, or have a definite leader (like the armed forces, football team etc.) Women tend to like situations where everyone works together. C.O.H. seems to appeal to this style of play.

While it's difficult to get accurate stats on the real percentages of men and women playing games, I'm sure that different types/styles of games will tend to have a greater or lesser amount of the various sexes.

I'm not surprised to see more women playing games , as the games evolve into more of a social type of situation. I, for one, like this development, as it seems to cut down on the amount of trash talking that young teenage boys tend to do, and also broadens the game strategies (men and women definetely think differently, not that one is better than the other).

Re:City of Heroes has lots of women (2, Interesting)

Kelbear (870538) | more than 8 years ago | (#13956202)

I played City of Heroes for quite a while and found some surprises in my guild after going over the roster. Me and a friend were the youngest members at age 20, and about 1/3rd of the roster was female.

Pretty damned odd. I'm pretty sure that this situation was the exception rather than the rule.

Re:eh..whatever...girls or guys it's all the same (1)

Tink2000 (524407) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955090)

Bah, Coren ...
You don't play MUDs anymore; heck you didn't play then! Sitting in the cairn complaining about how you can't leave isn't playing ;).

*grins, sweeps, blasts, laughs*

Re:eh..whatever...girls or guys it's all the same (1)

OmgTEHMATRICKS (836103) | more than 8 years ago | (#13956044)

"after all we're all here for the same reason - to have fun. "

Bow chika bow bow!

My Wife (3, Interesting)

NotMyNickName (922171) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954632)

My wife went through this recently. She plays WoW... a lot. She's a female, NE rogue and has been in a guild for about four months now. They talk all the time and she's said many times that she's a woman and all that. Well recently, on their guild website they were posting pictures of themselves and people were shocked that she was actually a she. I suppose they figured she was really role-playing it up or something.

Re:My Wife (1)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954732)

She's a female, NE rogue and has been in a guild for about four months now. They talk all the time and she's said many times that she's a woman and all that. Well recently, on their guild website they were posting pictures of themselves and people were shocked that she was actually a she.

I think that might have more to do with the stereotype of people who play female Night Elf rogues. I wouldn't have believed she was really a woman, either. :P

(I suppose maybe a 12-year-old girl, but an adult playing a Night Elf Rogue? That's unusual!)

Re:My Wife (1, Informative)

Danny Rathjens (8471) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955309)

You are just jealous of our spinning jumps and dance moves. ;)

Re:My Wife (1)

0rionx (915503) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955868)

My friend who plays Final Fantasy XI has the same problem - she plays a Mithra, but people often have trouble believing that she's a girl. After all, only anime geeks who like catgirls play Mithras, right? No *real* girl would be a Mithra...

On the other hand, I haven't really seen all that much girl bashing in FFXI. People there generally seem a lot more mature than in any other MMORPG I've played.

Re:My Wife (1)

0x64617272796c (911983) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955326)

"She's a female" Are you sure? :)

Re:My Wife (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13955389)

The first two guilds on WoW had leaders that were women. I don't have a problem believing women use the internet and play games like WoW. They are certainly uncommon, but not unbelievable.

I've heard (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13954656)

I've heard that their periods attract viruses.

The viruses can smell the menstruation!!

Clever, if pointless (5, Insightful)

Alaren (682568) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954670)

Not a bad article, but do we have to post every Escapist article dealing with women and gaming? The entire current issue is about women and gaming.

To the article specifically, I would ask why a girl is surprised that a bunch of teenaged geek boys (myself included, back when I was a teenager--that's not a troll!) don't know how to handle themselves around a girl. Here's a newsflash--they don't know how to handle themselves around girls in real life, either!

Yeah, WoW and the IRC have a lot of adult users, too--those would be the polite people who didn't freak out. I can tell you, as a 25-year-old with 2 kids, I spend a lot less time on the IRC or playing MMORPG's than when I was 14 and had nothing better to do. The point is, most of those guys are not mature about the gender thing because, well, they haven't grown up yet, they're still children.

Interacting with people... (0)

hackwrench (573697) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954767)

I never understood the problem really. I've always treated people essentially the same regardless of what gender/skin color/physical attractiveness/fame they were.

Re:Interacting with people... (1)

NeMon'ess (160583) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954952)

Then you're probably either asexual, or don't realize you do act differently around people you'd like to sleep with.

Re:Interacting with people... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13955012)

Or maybe he just needs a little more to go on than "female, plays online games" to want to sleep with somebody.

Re:Interacting with people... (1)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955131)

Seriously. I personally also like 'alive' and 'human.'

Re:Interacting with people... (1)

hunterx11 (778171) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955179)

Or he just realizes that he isn't going to sleep with every random girl he meets.

Re:Interacting with people... (1)

NeMon'ess (160583) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955226)

You missed the point. He said he thinks he treats everyone the same, both people he does and does not want to sleep with. If he met someone he wanted to sleep with, he'd probably act differently around her.

Re:Clever, if pointless (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13954810)

If you had a lot of better things to do, why did you have two kids before you were even 25 years old? Sounds like you had absolutely nothing going for you or you'd have been too wrapped up in doing them to knock out some snots.

Like they say, the more intelligent people tend to never have kids or have fewer of them. The mouth-breathing tools tend to knock them out in their early 20s, just like you. Congratulations.

I like how people who were too immature to wait until at least 25 to get married and 30+ to have kids suddenly consider themselves "mature" simply because they're able to combine semen and egg like another 20 billion people on the planet have managed to do over time.

they arent women (0)

ministerofsickeningr (524980) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954693)

they are bots. derrr!

RA (3, Funny)

Cyanara (708075) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954735)

Hell, my mum is and always has been a heavy Red Alert gamer. Prior to Westwood selling up she played online all the time. The other day I stumbled across an old spreadsheet where she'd been collecting player stats.

Something doesn't add up. (5, Informative)

Gravedigger3 (888675) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954770)

My mom is 40 years old and she has a level 37 Warlock on WoW. I messaged her on MSN after reading this asking about her experience. She is not shy about the fact that she is a woman and she has used vent now and then and she hardly ever gets a reaction like this article describes.

I dont know what server she is on or what internet she is using but I have been in many raids with women and have never heard anything quite to that extent that she is complaining about in this article.

Re:Something doesn't add up. (2, Insightful)

jbellis (142590) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954960)

pick one or both:

- hyperbole
- author plays primarily with 12 yr olds

Re:Something doesn't add up. (4, Informative)

aafiske (243836) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955015)

And I have a friend whom I play Halo 2 with, and no one ever believes she's a girl. Generally they accuse her of being a pre-teen boy. Or constantly talk to her, sometimes crudely, sometimes not crude, just annoying.

Re:Something doesn't add up. (1)

dtfinch (661405) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955523)

A few years back someone on my ICQ list changed his nickname to a female one. He's very active in online MMORPGs with that nick, and as far as I can tell, people generally believe him, or at least keep quiet when they don't. He even has two accounts registered on many sites, one for himself, and one for his female alter-ego. He discovered that people admire his programming skills 100x more when they think he's a girl.

Re:Something doesn't add up. (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955062)

It has a lot to do with where you spend your time. If you're a chick and you spend all of your time on sites related to teenage boys with a decent photo of yourself as your "avatar", why wouldn't you expect to have some unpleasant or uncomfortable or boy-like behavior flung your way? Twelve year old boys act... well... like twelve year old boys - whether it's online or not. Now, if you're getting that kind of behavior from grown men, it's different. Most grown men just don't care. Don't get me wrong - I think it's kind of cool when there is a really good chick player in a game. Especially an FPS (we used to have this really hot teenage blonde that played on our CounterStrike server. The grown men (the mature highschool and college kids and those of us who were much older) treated her like one of the guys (that is to say, just like any other regular player).

Everyone else under about 17 tended to spend the entire game talking to her, trying to pick up on her and whatever else. Some got downright crude and hade to be banned after a bit. But to suggest that the majority of the male population on the net is anything like that is retarded.

Think of it this way... when you play a number of online games (FPS, MMORPG, whatever) - there are a lot of people spouting homophobic comments and sexist comments and racist comments. The things you hear are astonishing in their ignorance and hatered. But you don't extrapolate that to mean that every person on every server or game or even the entire internet that is male is a homophobic, racist sexist.

Umm, it's the internet (3, Funny)

buffer-overflowed (588867) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954816)

It doesn't really matter unless you're hitting someone up for something sexual. That's the nature of it, anonymous, with handles designed solely to put continuity into the communication. We're all just text, judged solely by what we say.

But yea, there are girls on the internet, girls on slashdot, girls in WoW. There seems to be a minority of them that identify themselves as such, but hey, that goes for everything: gender, race, religion, etc.

It rarely matters. I've been the only guy in guilds/clans, one of a handful, one of many, etc. Never find this out or really care until enough bonds have formed through the anonymity to actually give a rats ass about the other's actual real life personas.

And of course, the internet is also populated mostly by people that use the anonymity to be jackasses. Post your pics! Mexican Jewlizard! yada yada. You get to see people as they are, socially, with basically no consequences or prejudgements.

It's a wild, wild place, and we likes it like that.

Escapist is the new Roland! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13954846)

C'mon, enough with that content-less, unreadable dribble meant for low-resolution monitors. This is about as bad as Roland.

Penny Arcade covered this (3, Funny)

Trepalium (109107) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954847)

I think their version [penny-arcade.com] is far more amusing.

In a perfect world... (1, Troll)

cornface (900179) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954867)

...Zonk wouldn't exist on "teh intarweb."

Truth be told... (1)

Toloran (858954) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954921)

It isn't that there aren't any on the internet, its just that the men who pretend to be women far out number the actual women. That WoW for example. How many female characters on it do you think are actually men? Sadly, it may be the majority. To make matters worse, there is no good method of proving you are who you say you are. If you post pictures, people can just say that they are just of someone else.

Re:Truth be told... (4, Insightful)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955166)

The whole point of a roleplaying game is that you are not supposed to reveal anything about who you are. You are supposed to roleplay. So if your character is male, you should act male, even if you are female. Much like if you character is a big strong barbarian, you should act like a big strong barbarian, even if you're really a short weak accountant. That's the purpose of the game, to provide an outlet for you to express the parts of your personality that you don't get to express in your everyday life. Questions about whether you're a guy or a girl or what you do for a living in "real life" should be met with distain. You should tell such people to mind their own business and get back to roleplaying.

It all depends on the medium and the group (5, Interesting)

wuie (884711) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954931)

When I first started playing online games (Descent 2, Quake 2 timeframe), I found that the reaction I would get for being a female gamer would be based on what group I was talking to.

- Clan/Guild members would automatically believe me, and I rarely got any odd treatment for being a female.
- Denizens in channels I'd frequent would be more reluctant to believe that I'm a female, and very often ask for pictures. When I would refuse these requests, I'd get the aforementioned flood of "U R a D00D lolololz"
- While actually playing the game on servers, I'd almost never mention that I'm a female. I learned to do this because whenever I would mention my gender, I'd get the pix requests tenfold, and the excessive chatter (sometimes inquisitive, but most often crude) would deter me from the action and ruin the experience.

This list, of course, has some exceptions. While part of a online gaming clan, I was once a ranking officer of a section of the guild responsible for playing a particular game. During a clan match, one of the members found that one of our other members was cheating, and brought the questionable screenshot to my attention. While I was in the process of bringing this to the clan leader, I was subject to a rather vicious attack, one that focused mainly around the fact that I'm female, and of course must be a "camwhore" or "extremely fat and stupid", of which I am neither. He still got ejected from the clan, but not without dealing the damage and attacking me in front of 100+ clan members.

What has all of this taught me? There are times when I can be proud of being a female gamer, and other times when sticking my neck out like that will end up with my head rolling. I learned that it's far easier to just let my gender be a mystery while playing online, instead of letting my gaming experience being ruined by asshats.

With the increasing popularity of MMORPGS, however, many female gamers are now playing games online. These female gamers are now encountering the same treatment that I've been used to for years, and are quite taken back by it. Hopefully this flood of female gamers will bring the fact to life that female gamers do exist, that we do play, and that we just want to play.

We shouldn't need to provide a picture to prove who we are. :)

Re:It all depends on the medium and the group (5, Funny)

pat_trick (218868) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955174)

pix plz.

Re:It all depends on the medium and the group (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13955515)

OMGF, it looks like we have a real life Victim on our hands!

Everyone support her and mod her up!

Re:It all depends on the medium and the group (2, Funny)

dorkygeek (898295) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955679)

But he's got to send those pix first. Err, she.

Re:It all depends on the medium and the group (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13955722)

Well said. My fiance plays games online as well, and gets similar comments. What I always tell her is that if anyone questions who you are in a game, kick their ass. If it's an MMO, then duel and slaughter them. Then laugh at them that they were just beaten by a girl.

Whether a guy says crude and obnoxious things and doesn't believe you, there will be, however small, a doubt in thier mind that perhaps yes, he just got his ass beaten by a woman. Really, there's no better way to get back at a guy than that (what with male pride being what it is and all).

She doesn't tend to like doing this, she thinks it's sorta mean, but everyonce and a while a guy will piss her off so bad, that she has no choice but to teach him a lesson. And of course I'm quite proud of her for that. :)

There's girls on the web... (3, Funny)

TexTex (323298) | more than 8 years ago | (#13954966)

Just no girls on slashdot.

They don't call it an MMORPG for nothing.. (5, Funny)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955014)

Mostly Men Online Role Playing Girls.

Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk (1)

blueZhift (652272) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955485)

Mostly Men Online Role Playing Girls.

[In my best Curly imitation]: Hey! I resemble that remark...nyuk nyuk nyuk nyuk nyuk!

Seriously, most of the time I prefer to play female characters in FFXI because they look nice and I feel like it brings some balance to the gender proportions of the game world, even if most of those females are males in real life.

Most of the time the question of rl gender doesn't come up, but if it does I just tell the truth, that's just my style.

Re:Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955576)

You should tell them to mind their own business. The purpose of a role playing game is to play a role. You don't see anyone saying "you're not really a cleric, are you?" because it is assumed that you're only playing the role of a cleric (or a warrior, or a barbarian, or whatever). The problem with WoW is that they've tried to throw out role playing and make it all about "fun" to which you really have to ask, why have a character you can personify? What purpose is there to it?

Of coarse.. (4, Funny)

Kyeetza (927172) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955043)

There's women ALL over internet, it's just that they all live inside the porn sites that the men visit.

Bam (1)

The NPS (899303) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955075)

People in online games and in IRC are the dregs of humantiy. I'm not sure why you expect them to not be sexist or retarded.

We have several women in my gaming community... (2, Interesting)

Daniel Wood (531906) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955211)

But no one really cares. I guess that is the advantage to being in a gaming community with an average age of around 25. We're a FPS community, we use TeamSpeak, but whe a woman gets on the channel, she is just another player as far as we're concerned.

I feel for the women of the web (2, Insightful)

tolldog (1571) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955225)

I am surprised that the women haven't formed their own internet by now. Guys get stupid around girls enough as it is. Adding in the fact that many of the guys escape to games because they have problems relating with people, let alone females, it only gets worse.

I, thankfully, haven't freaked out too much when the person on the other side revealed themselves to be female. On the other hand, there have been a few times where people were roll playing as a female and later revealed themselves to be a guy. It wasn't quite a crying game type of situation, but it was enough of a shock for me to still remember...

With a name like... (2, Funny)

Xetrov (267777) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955252)

With a name like 'Whitney Butts' you just know thats a guy!

And this is news? (3, Insightful)

tvadakia (314991) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955286)

Simply put: This is an to-be disputed rant about a targeted audiience. It's far from all encompasing and can't even generalize on any experiences outside of the expamples she had given. She might as well have just ranted about immaturity in teenage kids.

Move on.

Arghhh (1, Flamebait)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955312)

First off, my snippy comment: The quality of the writing in 'The Escapist' is worth every penny I paid to read it. Same for the design.

This democratization of mediocrity is what I hate about the internet. Since when is someone whining about teenage boys being imbeciles worthy of Slashdot commentary? Because if you read the article, that's what is going on here.

I don't know about the rest of you, but the general awkwardness of teenager boys around teenage girls isn't really 'News for Nerds' or 'Stuff that matters' in my book.

Sorry for being harsh.

World of Warcraft = Internet (2, Interesting)

Fritzed (634646) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955317)

Wow, I just realized that I have never been on the internet. I guess I never realized that the whole of the internet consisted of the World of Warcraft. How could I have missed this? I mean, what other explanation is there for why no girls on World of Warcraft could equal no girls on the internet. It's all so clear to me now.

-> Fritz

Bull... (1)

SmurfButcher Bob (313810) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955512)

... she's really a bot.

And sensitive guys don't exist in real life. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13955546)

How else will you explain the fact that most woman claim to like them, but then ignore us and take of with the nearest macho? Clearly we don't exist.

Oh yeah girls do exist on the internet. (0, Troll)

mattalex87 (907194) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955608)

I am a Dude but I have a sister that plays games, upgrades her own computer, and can use the internet very well, she actually has an login on slashdot! nickname lisaalex93

Thats right she was born in '93 she is 11.

She named a kitten of hers Yoda.

She plays RedFaction, HalfLife, and even makes her own levels for FarCry in CryEngine sandbox.

No I won't send pictures but she is 100% real. I swear on my Athlon XP.

Re:Oh yeah girls do exist on the internet. (1)

dorkygeek (898295) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955655)

Sorry, but I don't give anything on these x86 cpus.

Re:Oh yeah girls do exist on the internet. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13956171)

dude what the fuck, are you trying to pimp out your little sister? to pedophiles? what the hell, guy?

A girl named Brian (1, Offtopic)

xtieburn (906792) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955743)

Its all well and good being irritated by the reaction men have to women on the Internet, however, it is often justified.

In a small IRC channel I used to frequent a lass joined. She spoke a fair amount, and made some friends there and yes she got the 'You got pics' thing.

I dunno why people try to make out its to check the sex of the person you are talking to. Not like youve got a hope in hell of pulling someone whos usually hundreds if not thousands of miles away. I just want to check out a nice pair of... eyes.

Anyway, seedy imaturity aside, she did have pics and sent them about the place, they looked reasonable enough and nothing more was said on the matter.

For what was probably well over a year she was involved with the channel and made good friends with more than one guy there even arranging to go out with one and actually move up to his place. Only thing was, some other guy came in to the channel and started asking questions. Turns out he had a thing going on with her as well and was fairly devestated that she had gone and dumped him. She promptly vanished at this point as did both boyfriends. For a while we were all speculating on what was going on. Until the first boyfriend came in and he had apparently been doing some research. (A little worrying really, just how obsessed was this guy with some lass hed never even spoken to.) He had found that the person at the address she lived at was a guy.

Surely not! There was no way most of the channel was gonna believe this was genuine after all there were quite a few people in the channel who had been friends with her for ages. Still had a heck of a good laugh with the idea. Needless to say it was about to get funnier.

One of the other guys in the channel thought maybe he could get to the bottom of this by checking her livejournal. He was confused to find a livejournal not by her but by a bloke called Brian. A 16 year old Bisexual no less. A quick check with old and new livejournal showed that the old one had been carefully changed in to the new one with all refrences to his female persona removed or changed.

Oh and just to make damn sure non of this was wrong or fabricated we managed to get in touch with his best friend who admited she'd (Or maybe he'd who knows.) heard him mention something about the IRC channel before. Well and truly busted.

I laughed good and hard about all that (Shed persuaded the whole chanel she was a romanian hotty for more than a year!) but there was a more serious side. Ignoring boyfriend number ones stalker tendancies and the embarasment to boyfriend number 2 who I dont think has ever returned to IRC. There were quite a few people added to that group of internet users who wouldnt be ready to believe the next person to come along and claim the're a girl.

If your reading this Brian it was a laugh ill give you that, but over a year? I think you may need to see a head doctor.

Oh and an amusing concidence in all this. His IRC nickname was Whitney.

Re:A girl named Brian (1)

6ame633k (921453) | more than 8 years ago | (#13956097)

Really? Happened to a friend? What I want to know is how many guys have really hit ona girl on-line and it turned out to be a dude- sounds like mass hysteria / paranoia / urban legend to me....

Re:A girl named Brian (1)

xtieburn (906792) | more than 8 years ago | (#13956272)

You sound like your questioning the truth of my story.

Fair enough. http://www.spookyweb.net/c-t/inside.html [spookyweb.net] The channel it happened in. Velerion should be happy for the advertisement anyhow. Hes running (Or at least trying to run.) a roleplaying game Im sure hed be happy for new members to it if you read it through on his forum.

but thats enough advertising. Click on the events and hes made a nice little card for the Brian incident. You can see the pic he sent around to everyone on the cards page under Whitney. (I think you can agree you couldnt tell he was lying from the pic.) Heck go in to the channel and ask them about it if you really want.

I think, though im not sure, that that isnt the first time one of the channels members turned out to be a different sex to what they claimed. More than once in a single small channel, doesnt bode well.

Pffttt.... (2, Funny)

Donniedarkness (895066) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955899)

EVERYONE knows that girls only exist on Xanga and MySpace...

Is Slashdot that desperate for stories? (2, Funny)

DesScorp (410532) | more than 8 years ago | (#13955937)

We're posting stories about how a girl complains no one believes she's a girl...a girl with a really, really horrid looking website. Is it that slow a newsday? Didn't Microsoft do anything wrong today?

I see this (1)

miyako (632510) | more than 8 years ago | (#13956061)

I have run into this on occassion. Although I rarely play games online with people I don't know, I find often that on IRC, for example, if I mention that I'm female in a room that I don't frequent I will often see people who seem suprised that I'm female. I find this happens most often if I stop into a Linux or programming room to ask for help on something.
Of course, most people never take it beyond some sort of exclamation of suprise. I've found that people who message asking for pics, etc, are generally trolling for cybersex anyway.
I do find this behavior strange because of all my friends IRL the majority of the my female friends at least occasionally visit IRC or some other type of chat room, while I only have 2 male friends who ever use IRC, one of whom only visits clan channels to talk strategy, etc. before matches in whatever FPS they play now, and the other only visits Linux help channels occasionally when something it's working right.

Re:I see this (1)

oddflux (928644) | more than 8 years ago | (#13956158)

I have no problem, or sentiments against female users of the interweb. When they know more than you do in topics such as UNIX or Networking/Programming, etc that's when they become hard to handle.

Wrong target (1)

Blaaguuu (886777) | more than 8 years ago | (#13956251)

I think this girl needs to spend her time convincing her female friends that video games are a fun and aceptable form of entertainment. There really are nto very many girls "on the internet"... and its not because they are inherently bad at video games, or because boys dont believe they exist. The only girl i know, that play video games is my step sister, and thats likely just because she grew up with me and my brother. Of all the other girls i know (yes, i know more than a few) i cant think of anyone that plays videogames, atleast mroe than once or twice a month for a few minutes. The problem here isnt with the boys, as i see it...
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