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MMORPG King of the Hill

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the knock-the-other-guy-down-first dept.

Role Playing (Games) 91

eToyChest has a look at some current MMOG market leaders, and specifically takes a look at what they're 'good' at. If you've been thinking about playing an online game, this might be a useful tool to help pick the one game you'll enjoy most. From the article: "MMORPGs have evolved rapidly in terms of technology and gameplay, and with the continually growing number of gamers being pulled into these games, more and more titles have been shoveled onto retail shelves in order to keep up with the demand. Despite the fact that there isn't any one clear front-runner in the genre currently, the diversity and variety in MMORPGs today (both in the games available now and in the months to come) give many more options to most any gamer. However, here we will discuss those games that serve as the premier offerings for gamers today, as well as those set to be released in the near future, and we'll identify why these games are the Kings of the Hill."

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That article ain't right (5, Funny)

gregbains (890793) | more than 8 years ago | (#14655559)

Dangit, I thought I'd be playing as Hank Hill. Another dream shattered by reading the details

Re:That article ain't right (2, Funny)

Megane (129182) | more than 8 years ago | (#14655601)

It could be worse. You could be camping for spawns at Narrow Urethra Passage.

Can I interest you in this propane-powered +5 Sword of Flame? There's nothing like cooking monsters with clean-burning propane, you know.

Re:That article ain't right (1)

michaelar (252189) | more than 8 years ago | (#14655725)

The choice of in-game weapons would boggle the mind.

Bobby Hill: Dad, can I put a gun rack on my bike?
Hank Hill: Do you know how long I've been waiting for you to ask that?

Re:That article ain't right (1)

damsa (840364) | more than 8 years ago | (#14656084)

Everyone knows that Hank Hill was afraid of guns until the later episodes. Hank's weapon of choice would be a broom, or perhaps butt orthotics.

Re:That article ain't right (1)

IAstudent (919232) | more than 8 years ago | (#14656044)

You do realize you're forgetting your "propane accessories" gear: Chef's hat, apron and spare grill ignition starters.

Just like Kingdom of Loathing, only more Texan, and cleaner burning!

Re:That article ain't right (1)

The Good Reverend (84440) | more than 8 years ago | (#14656235)

"Can I interest you in this propane-powered +5 Sword of Flame? There's nothing like cooking monsters with clean-burning propane, you know.

"you know" should read "I tell you what".

Re:That article ain't right (1)

Neoncow (802085) | more than 8 years ago | (#14655685)

Thank God, I thought I'd be playing as Hank Hill. Another nightmare cleared by reading the details

Actually, I haven't done that yet either. Good thing this comment showed up.

Re:That article ain't right (1)

QuasiEvil (74356) | more than 8 years ago | (#14655688)

Realistically, how multiplayer could "King of the Hill" get? I mean how many players can you have lined up along the street drinking beer?

Re:That article ain't right (1)

modecx (130548) | more than 8 years ago | (#14656035)

I mean how many players can you have lined up along the street drinking beer?

I take it that you've never been to Texas? :)

Re:That article ain't right (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14655752)

I want to play Boomhauer!

I tell you what man. You want a flyin' cow, man you load up that dang ol' dynamite into an ol' cannon and it go BOOM! Cow go flyin' all over the place.

Re:That article ain't right (1)

Txiasaeia (581598) | more than 8 years ago | (#14655753)

Dang it Bobby, I got the +5 Ring of Propane stuck in my urethra...

Re:That article ain't right (1)

l0tu53at3r (176637) | more than 8 years ago | (#14656020)

"I'm gonna kick your...ASS"

Re:That article ain't right (1)

metamatic (202216) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659261)

I just moved to Austin. Solved that problem, I tell you whut.

King of the Hill? (-1, Redundant)

Hans Lehmann (571625) | more than 8 years ago | (#14655574)

Hank Hill is going to star in his own video game?

Boy, this one is shooting fish in a barrel. (2, Insightful)

Malor (3658) | more than 8 years ago | (#14655587)

1. World of Warcraft.

<end of list>

Re:Boy, this one is shooting fish in a barrel. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14655738)

WOW is the DisneyLand of MMORPGS. Good Looking with no depth.

Re:Boy, this one is shooting fish in a barrel. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14656023)

you need to get out more.

Re:Boy, this one is shooting fish in a barrel. (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 8 years ago | (#14656197)

WOW is the DisneyLand of MMORPGS. Good Looking with no depth.

Sums up the MMO genre pretty good right there (good-looking being optional, of course)

I think you are confused. (1)

Some Random Username (873177) | more than 8 years ago | (#14656471)

World of Warcraft is like running in a hamster wheel, not like shooting fish in a barrel or any other soon to be Ted Nugent TV show.

Everquest, but no Eve... (2, Interesting)

Donniedarkness (895066) | more than 8 years ago | (#14655597)

Everquest II wins two of the catagories, but I NEVER hear about this game anymore (I hear about City of Villians/Heroes and WoW all the time), but Eve Online won NOTHING? It didn't even get mentioned...

Re:Everquest, but no Eve... (2, Informative)

Knara (9377) | more than 8 years ago | (#14655654)

EVE has been steadily, sustainably growing in population. It also isn't very accessable to the PL kiddie. Personally, I like it that way and hope it continues along that path.

Re:Everquest, but no Eve... (0)

random256 (676708) | more than 8 years ago | (#14655745)

It really seems like there's been an awful lot of pro-eve propaganda in every single forum I ever see it mentioned in, even though it has an abysmally low player population. Makes me wonder about the whole corporate shill on message boards thing I've been reading about the last couple of weeks.

Re:Everquest, but no Eve... (4, Interesting)

HolyCrapSCOsux (700114) | more than 8 years ago | (#14655856)

Abysmally low player population

Though I agree that this is rather subjective, I would say that There is a difference between raw player population and apparent population.

In many MMORPGS, there may be 20-30-100,000 players online at any given time, but many of these players cannot "meet" in the game because they are on a different "shard" or something. Dont know all the fancy-talk, But East Coast folks and West Coast Folks and UK folks generall play on the closest server or the one with the best ping, or whatnot. In Eve, on the other hand, there are 100,000+ subscribers with, during peak hours, 22,000+ all online on the same server interacting and adding to the economy. Cooperating, etc. From ALL over the world.

There is also the fact that some people kinda tire of the sword-armor-dragon RPGs and are really looking for something different.

Statement of bias: I have only played 2 MMORPGs. Ultima Online, and Eve. My brother loves WoW, but after watching him play it for awhile, I can't imagine why. My Ultima Membership lasted about 2 Months (bored to tears). My Eve Membership is at 4 Months, and I see no end in sight.

Re:Everquest, but no Eve... (1, Interesting)

random256 (676708) | more than 8 years ago | (#14655976)

See. This is exactly the type of post I'm refering to. The above is complete corporate spin. All about the numbers, not about the gameplay, or the facts, nor valid comparisons with other games. Face facts. Eve as a game, while it might appeal to some people, suffers from extremely low player counts compared to the actual market leaders. I've known more people that have quit playing Eve stating that it's a boring economics simulator than actually play it. But I'm not here to slander Eve or stand for or against any game. I'm just tired of seeing a crap ton of corporate spin on public boards. I remember first seeing about this here, although I'm sure it's posted elsewhere: http://www.penny-arcade.com/2006/02/01 [penny-arcade.com]

Re:Everquest, but no Eve... (1)

nitehawk214 (222219) | more than 8 years ago | (#14656904)

The above is complete corporate spin.

Because, of course, any fan of a product must be on the take. No member of a community could possibly feel so strongly about it as to advocate it against its rivals. I wonder who is paying all those fans to support linux? Granted I'm not saying there are no astroturf marketing going on out there, but you did start it and any fan of something is going to stand up and defend what they believe in.
 
For instance, if I were to say that the Steelers kicked the Seahawks collective asses, I am certian may people would immediatly stand up and defend them, despite their loosing the game. Does that make the people who disagree with me wrong? Of coruse not.

Re:Everquest, but no Eve... (2, Insightful)

Shardis (198372) | more than 8 years ago | (#14657512)

I'm sure this'll get blown off as 'corporate spin' too then I guess, and I absolutely hate sounding like a fanboy, but oh well...

I like that I can actually play with some of my buddies from Australia, Europe, and other parts of the world in the same game environment. Not just know what they're talking about. *shrugs* I know that in some MMO's you can pick international servers and such, but transferring servers is generally a pain at the least - and usually costs. I gave EverCra^E^E^EQuest a try not too long ago, and I've still seen some things better done in a few MUDs. Well, except for the obvious graphics...

I think it just turns some people off due to a pace that's not quite as breakneck as, "signing on, turning off brain, kill, KilL, KILL!".

Each to their own I guess. I used to like first person shooters too before I got bored to tears and nearly a coma with them. I'll definitely agree with the GP's statement above of his "statement of bias". I just got sick to death of Elves, Goblins, and the fantasy motif too.

Only a few games has been able to hold my interest for longer periods of time. Two MUD's that I've played and still stop in at after more than a decade or so, and now this one that I've been playing for two years and having a blast (no pun intended).

In humble opinion there's a fairly good reason why it won MMORPG's Reader's Choice Best Game [mmorpg.com] award though despite, how do you put it, it's (comparative) lack of player base. 100,000 registered active players is nothing to sneeze at, but it seems to have something, and getting bigger all the time. *shrugs*

PS: My only corporate affiliations are with the internet dept in a food company, and my Eve Online player corp. :P

Re:Everquest, but no Eve... (1)

dave1212 (652688) | more than 8 years ago | (#14658786)

'extremely low player counts'?

Clan Lord suffers from an extremely low player count. 20,000 online at a time would be a dream for them, with a usual count of 20-30 players(!) at any given time. The interesting thing is that it has kept going for a lot longer than anyone expected, certainly much longer than a PC-based one would with equivalent player base.

Re:Everquest, but no Eve... (1)

Rayonic (462789) | more than 8 years ago | (#14657980)

My brother loves WoW, but after watching him play it for awhile, I can't imagine why.

Civilization is one of the greatest games of all time, but I'd rather gouge out my eyes than sit there and watch someone play it.

I'm sure many people would feel the same about Eve, watching you travel to some faraway destination, or mining asteroids, or...

Re:Everquest, but no Eve... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14658417)

Civilization is one of the greatest games of all time, but I'd rather gouge out my eyes than sit there and watch someone play it.

Really? You'd rather be blind for the rest of your life than spend few hours watching someone play civ? What's wrong with you?

Re:Everquest, but no Eve... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14659009)

Ahem. [reference.com]

Re:Everquest, but no Eve... (1)

HolyCrapSCOsux (700114) | more than 8 years ago | (#14655755)

Naah. who cares about market leaders? That is the sort of mentality that makes Top40 music so..... so..... mund-numbing and yet nauseating at the same time.

Anyway, Eve won Lots of awards elsewhere [mmorpg.com]

Re:Everquest, but no Eve... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14655973)

EVE won lots of awards from a website that makes a tidy sum every time it sends someone over to EVE through the trial program.

Doh!

Re:Everquest, but no Eve... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14655765)

That's odd. The Matrix Online wasn't mentioned either...

Re:Everquest, but no Eve... (1)

theTerribleRobbo (661592) | more than 8 years ago | (#14656642)

> but Eve Online won NOTHING? It didn't even get mentioned...

Because it's like playing a screensaver, perhaps?

Re:Everquest, but no Eve... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14658125)

How they could have completely ignored EVE Online baffles me. It may not be "King of the Hill" in terms of subscription base (though it did just pass 100,000 active subscriptions) but it's certainly one of, if not the most interesting and deep MMOG's out there. You think WoW has a learning curve? Consider how much know-how goes into something as simple as shooting a turret in EVE http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g26.asp [eve-online.com]

Re:Everquest, but no Eve... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14666140)

Probably because Eve is nothing but a steaming pile of crap that attracts the kind of libertarian scum that pollutes slashdot (just a ring below the GNAA...), but has no appeal at all for anyone sane.

Wish the article was more in-depth (4, Interesting)

jchenx (267053) | more than 8 years ago | (#14655746)

With all the MMORPGs that are out, we definately do need a nice article that sums up the pro's and con's to all the games out there. This article is a nice start, but it's much too short, and misses several games (EVE Online and Guild Wars, to name a few).

It'd also be nice to have an MMO history article of sorts. Quite often I see people (mainly WoW players) complaining why feature X isn't in the game. For example, a few hardcore PvP gamers wonder why we don't have a real PvP world where you can kill someone and loot their actual belongings. I'd love to point them to an article that shows that Ultima Online tried this years ago and it didn't turn out well for the casual player ("Corp Por" anyone?). Or that anybody who complains about long flight times between Auberdine and Theramore (currently clocking at 11 mins) needs to go back to the original Everquest and try doing some travelling in that game.

Re:Wish the article was more in-depth (1)

Onan (25162) | more than 8 years ago | (#14655888)

I wish the article was more legible. It seems to wrap the actual body text to about nine characters wide. And the "print" link, which is sometimes helps to get readable versions of content from sites of this ilk, is... javascript.

The content might be wonderful, but I just can't be bothered to work around such broken site design to get to it.

Re:Wish the article was more in-depth (1)

Sparr0 (451780) | more than 8 years ago | (#14656378)

Guild Wars is not a MMORPG. It is a MORPG (and less RPGish than most others) with MMO chatrooms.

Re:Wish the article was more in-depth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14657215)

"For example, a few hardcore PvP gamers wonder why we don't have a real PvP world where you can kill someone and loot their actual belongings..."

That's funny, that's exactly how PvP works in EVE-Online. In fact, when you die in PVP you lose everything you have on your ship, some of it is vapourised, and some of it is left for the overall victors of the fight to pick up. The ship itself is always a loss.

Damnit!! (1)

LeddRokkenstud (945664) | more than 8 years ago | (#14655768)

I thought this was going to be an MMORPG based on King of the Hill!

better howto: (0, Offtopic)

awing0 (545366) | more than 8 years ago | (#14655769)

1) Bring your phone and egg to the gas station.
2) Talk on phone while filling your car and holding egg.
3) Wait for explosion.
4) Enjoy.

Next on Slashdot: How to summon dead relatives by changing the refresh rate of your monitor.

Re:better howto: (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14655939)

Next on Slashdot: How to post to the correct topic

Re:better howto: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14656175)

Don't bother. You know that nobody would RTFA.

Re:better howto: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14659514)

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From the Article: (2, Funny)

tengennewseditor (949731) | more than 8 years ago | (#14655782)

Not long after AO came Star Wars Galaxies. Sadly the Star Wars part of the title was really the only great thing about the game, though it has since improved beyond its lackluster beginnings.

Looks like somebody finally liked the NGE!

When playing King of the Hill as a MMORPG (2, Funny)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 8 years ago | (#14655796)

don't forget to bring your GPS device and cellphone.

It can get kind of busy with 50,000 players all trying to run up a hill randomly selected around the world.

Plus, make sure your credit cards have enough left on them to buy a round trip ticket.

Not one clear frontrunner? (3, Informative)

zerocool^ (112121) | more than 8 years ago | (#14655984)


There's not one clear front-runner in the genre?!?

I'd say the fact that 5 MILLION WoW accounts exist would say otherwise. 1 in 100 Americans have a WoW account. That's statistically significant.

~W

Re:Not one clear frontrunner? (1)

domukun367 (681095) | more than 8 years ago | (#14656174)

You assume that all WoW subscribers are american?

Re:Not one clear frontrunner? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14661208)

I think he is referring to the ones that matter...

Re:Not one clear frontrunner? (2, Insightful)

SB5 (165464) | more than 8 years ago | (#14656194)

Sure, WoW is at the forefront of selling its game... but does that mean its the best? Checkers is a fun game, but most would say Chess is a better game compared to Checkers. And I hear of many people that get bored with WoW and the lvl 60 grind.

Sure WoW is the frontrunner on sales and subs, but its also one of the few games that is sold in pretty much every continent. Its a game that has players Worldwide. Lots of other games don't get that.

Blizzard is also a well liked company by the players of their other games.

Take EVE online, I think they should be a clear frontrunner of MMORPG's, because they trully make the game MMO, 22k+ people on one server. No other server has matched that capability yet for an MMORPG.

You know what's really sad? (2, Insightful)

Some Random Username (873177) | more than 8 years ago | (#14656509)

That you care more about the MM than you do about the G.

Re:Not one clear frontrunner? (1)

Jack9 (11421) | more than 8 years ago | (#14656728)

Consistent massive appeal is the only benchmark for best. A game that grows it's own base through sheer appeal that doesn't suit you, must be maddening. Don't try to armchair that somehow a scant few have a true vision of what fun entails and everyone else is just ignoring it.

Re:Not one clear frontrunner? (2, Funny)

ClamIAm (926466) | more than 8 years ago | (#14657195)

Blizzard is also a well liked company by the players of their other games.

It's also a well-hated company by the players of their other games.

Re:Not one clear frontrunner? (1)

Isca (550291) | more than 8 years ago | (#14661038)

Blizzard is also a well liked company by the players of their other games.

It's also a well-hated company by the players of their other games.

Pittsburgh is a well-hated team by fans of Seattle.

The Red Sox are a well-hated team by fans of the Yankees.

The Yankees are a well-hated team by most other fans in the country.

If they liked the game, they probably wouldn't be a subscriber of another game. Duh!

Re:Not one clear frontrunner? (1)

ClamIAm (926466) | more than 8 years ago | (#14666913)

I'd suggest going back and reading my post again, as you obviously don't understand my point.

Also, this is nothing like being a fan of a sports team. Do I have to be a Red Sox fan to go to a game at Fenway? I didn't think so.

Numbers are like sausages... (1)

Behrooz (302401) | more than 8 years ago | (#14657308)

Rather more than one in a hundred Americans also watch MTV on a regular basis.

Does that mean you should also? At the upper end of the curve, subscriber numbers are a better indicator of mediocrity than they are for anything else.

Re:Not one clear frontrunner? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14661184)

Yeah, everyone knows the US is the only country in the world where people play computer games.

Upcoming PvP Game Forgotten (2, Informative)

Absolut187 (816431) | more than 8 years ago | (#14655990)

King of the PvP Hill: World of Warcraft

From what I hear, PvP in WoW is a joke.

There is a new game in the final stages of production that focuses on PvP:

http://www.darkfallonline.com/ [darkfallonline.com]

Re:Upcoming PvP Game Forgotten (1)

XXIstCenturyBoy (617054) | more than 8 years ago | (#14656332)

From what you hear? If you didn't try...WOW PvP is certainly better than a lot of MMORPG out there, if not all of them. Its no FPS, but its pretty solid as far as MMORPG goes.

As for Dark Fall, the article is talking about current market leaders. And beside, to have cool PvP you need to have other players to kill... Which do not lack in WOW.

Re:Upcoming PvP Game Forgotten (1)

beetlefeet (866517) | more than 8 years ago | (#14657479)

Seconded.

King of the PvP hill belongs to Dark Age of Camelot which is entirely built around 3 realms fighting for land and control of powerful artifacts. It has siege machines, tower and keep capture and repair, guild ownership of towers and keeps, whole dungeons that are pvp areas. You can have sieges against massive castles with catapults, rams and trebuchets that last hours.

Or possibly guildwars for smaller scale pvp, but thats a bit light on some other elements of mmorpgs.

But to call World of Warcraft king of the pvp hill at the moment with it's 3 battlegrounds which play a like counterstrike or a FPS CTF is plain wrong. Hell they didn't even show a screenshot of PvP in WoW. Everyone is WoW crazy and forget about the mmorpgs that came before.

And you'd think they could have at least mentioned UO in passing.

*Disclaimer* I'm currently enjoying WoW and quite like the odd round of AB.

Re:Upcoming PvP Game Forgotten (1)

beetlefeet (866517) | more than 8 years ago | (#14657525)

Just reread this and I take back the counterstrike statement, it's nothing like counterstrike, more like Unreal Tournament.

Re:Upcoming PvP Game Forgotten (1)

JavaLord (680960) | more than 8 years ago | (#14660234)

It would be like unreal tournament, if unreal tournament sucked.

Re:Upcoming PvP Game Forgotten (1)

m1a1 (622864) | more than 8 years ago | (#14661111)

They were completely fair to Dark Age of Camelot. Is a shoutout not good enough for a game that is nearing the end of it's lifecycle? Seriously. I'm sure PvP on DAoC is better than WoW, but WoW has solid PvP and is in its prime.

The battlegrounds being FPS-ish isn't a problem. WoW PvP is rather balanaced and definitely fun. The lack of consequence is its only real problem.

Re: WoW PvP (1)

Absolut187 (816431) | more than 8 years ago | (#14663708)

>>
The lack of consequence is its only real problem.
>>

Kind of a large problem, isnt it?

What's the point in killing someone if you can't take their stuff?

Same goes for DAOC, but at least DAOC has Castles to hold and such..

What I want (2, Insightful)

ShawnDoc (572959) | more than 8 years ago | (#14656005)

What I want is a MMORPG that lets me solo and play for short periods of time. I normally drop out of an MMORPG about the time I *have* to start teaming to gain any experience. Don't get me wrong, I love to interact with others and enjoy team gameplay. But in all honesty I have a very busy life and more often than not I don't have several hours at a time to sit down, try and find a good group, wait while everyone stocks up on regeants or whatever, debates where to hunt, and then goes there to do their thing. It just takes too long. Its fun on the weekend when I've got more time, but I want something I can just log into for 30-45 minutes and actually make some progress/have some fun every night before bed.

Re:What I want (1)

clamatius (78862) | more than 8 years ago | (#14656077)

It's not technically a MMO, but Guild Wars [guildwars.com] sounds like what you're looking for. There are a few missions which really require a reasonable team but mostly you can grab some AI henchmen and just go, or play random-team PvP arena (usually 5 min or less per round).

Re:What I want (1)

Xugumad (39311) | more than 8 years ago | (#14656522)

Exactly what I was about to suggest. Best of all, no monthly fee, so you aren't shelling out however much per month for a game you'll have limited time to play...

Re:What I want (1, Redundant)

SB5 (165464) | more than 8 years ago | (#14656117)

No, what you want is Diablo II / Guild Wars, not an MMORPG. MMORPG's were made for interaction, if you want to solo 99% of the time go play something single player.

Re:What I want (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14658100)

You can solo PvP and still be interacting with people.

Re:What I want (1)

Gojira Shipi-Taro (465802) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659128)

Interaction != Forced Grouping

I like having other people around in a game. I don't like being forced to rely on them.

I also like a dynamic world, with updates and content. A single player game does not offer that.

And yea, I do enjoy grouping with friends when our schedules permit.

What I will NOT do is have my activities in a passtime I pay to participate in dictated by how readily I can find a group.

Re:What I want (1)

sdhankin (213671) | more than 8 years ago | (#14661490)

MMORPG's were made for interaction, if you want to solo 99% of the time go play something single player.
I live in the biggest MMORPG on the planet every day. It's called life.

I really enjoy having the other people around. They make the game interesting. But I don't have to grab 5 of them when I decide I want to go out for lunch.

If I followed your advice, I'd live on an asteroid.

Re:What I want (1)

hurfy (735314) | more than 8 years ago | (#14656203)

Tho dated and half empty, Asheron's Call was problably the most solo-friendly game. Certainly for the 1st 75 levels or so, which is good because you wont find anyone under 75 to play with now..... :(

I agree, other games seem to want to have perfect little parties to fight that take half the day to get going.

Re:What I want (1)

Robotech_Master (14247) | more than 8 years ago | (#14657068)

City of Heroes/Villains is actually very solo-friendly, depending on your class. Play a Scrapper, Tanker, Brute, or to some extent a Mastermind and you'll hardly ever have to see another player if you don't want to--especially now that a fix is in turning Arch-villains into the much-easier-to-solo Elite Bosses if your team has fewer than a certain number of people in it.

Squishier classes have trouble, of course.

Re:What I want (1)

Rayonic (462789) | more than 8 years ago | (#14658058)

You can solo right up to the level cap in World of Warcraft. Earn gold and reputation, do profession stuff. Craft equipment, or buy decent stuff at the Auction House.

After the level cap? Well, you can do the PvP battlegrounds. If your server has an even Alliance to Horde ratio [warcraftrealms.com] , then you can PvP quite a bit. Matches are generally short, and you can earn honor and faction rewards.

Otherwise, Blizzard is adding more solo and 5-man endgame content in the near future. Quests to upgrade armor sets, that kind of thing. And you can always do the big-group stuff on the weekends.

Re:What I want (1)

jcdick1 (254644) | more than 8 years ago | (#14660429)

There are a lot of options in a lot of games that let you do the solo thing. Each one has classes or traits or skills or what-have-you that would allow both solo and team play, when you like. I play Dark Age of Camelot in the Albion realm, and a deathsight necro will let you do either solo or team play. There isn't a class in the Albion realm that can compete with the Necromancer for PvE play. With the newer instanced dungeons and easily solo'd quests you can level yourself pretty easily in half-hour and 45-minute increments.

But really, I would say that any of the games out there have some class or toon that can provide a decent solo experience.

Re:What I want (1)

illumin8 (148082) | more than 8 years ago | (#14663903)

But in all honesty I have a very busy life and more often than not I don't have several hours at a time to sit down, try and find a good group, wait while everyone stocks up on regeants or whatever, debates where to hunt, and then goes there to do their thing. It just takes too long.

You should try Guild Wars. They actually implemented something called "Henchmen"... AI controlled characters that will group with you to help you complete quests on your own. It's great for those of us that don't have the time to find a group, and I've also found that the henchmen actually follow orders and don't do stupid things, like running in and aggroing a whole bunch of mobs and dragging them back to kill the rest of your group. Every mission and quest in Guild Wars can be completed with Henchmen, so if you wanted, you could play the game completely alone. Not that it would be as much fun as playing with other people, but you have that option if you want to, which is nice.

Disappointed (1)

DerekLyons (302214) | more than 8 years ago | (#14656167)

Dangit - when I read the article headline I was hoping for an MMO set in Arlen, Texas.

awful web pages (1)

602 (652745) | more than 8 years ago | (#14656176)

The design of that web page is so bad that I refuse to read the article. I have zero tolerance for flashing ads. I clicked on the "print" button hoping to get a more-readable page, but instead got a page of gray text on a blue-gray background, unreadable in Safari.

Bite my shiny metal ass, etoychest.org.

Article only picked up on "Big Name" games (1)

garylian (870843) | more than 8 years ago | (#14656186)

I was not too pleased with the article failing to mention so many other games out there. They author(s) stuck to only the big names in gaming, using WoW,, FFXI EQ/EQ2, CoH/V, DAoC, SG:G,, AC, and a mention of the soon to be released DDO.

What happened to Eve, Linenage II, Guild Wars, and various others? No mention of the psuedo-betas like Silk Road or any others?

I can live with some of their assessments. DDO is going to take top prize for A/V when it is released. The graphics really are that good.

As for WoW being the king of PvP, that is only by default, imo. Too many people are playing the game in general, so they get an automatic "best PvP". In reality, with population imbalances on many servers, it is often a joke. (On Uther, the Horde could start a PvP instance right away. The Alliance were known to wait for hours, especially early on.)

I don't see any game doing a perfect blend of PvE and PvP. They tend to be counter-productive. You balance for PvE, and PvP gets skewed. Balance for PvP, and you break something for PvE. PvP causes a lot of developer headaches, because a tactic gets used and abused, or not used by rumored, and then all hell breaks lose. (Anyone else remember the "nerf rogues and their stun-lock" arguements, with the length of stuns reaching up to 30 seconds after a week? Yet it was impossible to really stun beyond 10, and only in perfect situations.)

If you are going to do PvP, do PvP. If you aren't, don't try to add some half-assed version of it to appease the minority. Do whatever you are best at.

Disappointed by headline. (1)

Radak (126696) | more than 8 years ago | (#14656319)

And here I was looking forward to being Bobby.

WOW isn't a pvp game... (2, Insightful)

Hubbell (850646) | more than 8 years ago | (#14656406)

It's pvp is fucking SHITTY. It's class/level/gearbased, and like .3% of it is based on skill. The #1 pvp game is/was Asheron's Call, the one skill (player and character skill) based game out there pvp wise. Since Throne of Destiny and the year or 2 leading up to it the game has become shittier and shittier, but it will always be the #1 pvp game to have come out so far. AC:Darktide was the pinnacle of MMORPG Persistant PVP Worlds, and the most dramatic and amazing fights/politics in the genre occurred on that server.

If you been thinking about playing an online game (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14656565)

Don't!

Did he even play the games? (1)

MMaestro (585010) | more than 8 years ago | (#14656791)

From beginning to end, ranging from 5-man grouping, various PvP settings, to difficult large scale raiding instances, WoW manages to keep a steady learning curve throughout while also catering to numerous types of gamers.

As someone who's been playing WoW for the past 4 months, I can safely say the writer has no idea wth he is talking about. '5-man groupings' are alsow done only because people don't want to share to the loot with too many people. 5-man groupings are perfect sizes for most instances (1, maybe 2 tanks, a healer and 2 DD are the norm).

PvP settings are more or less nothing more than town raids (which are nothing more than provoking the other side into sending players to fight back since theres no rewards or long term effects of wiping out a town) or grinding in Battlegrounds (assuming you can get in as an Alliance player or you don't go up against a 'twinked' opposing team).

"difficult large scale raiding instances"? What game is he playing? Like all video games, players have already figured out whats the 'best' way to do an instance, with which classes, with exact spells to be used at what points, etc etc for most instances in the game. Most guilds have it down so well they'll sometimes go on instances with half the recommended number of people. The constant addition of new 'uber gear' instead of mid-level or low level gear doesn't help either.

I like WoW, but some of these 'awards' are just stupid. 'Best PvP'? Wth? From what I hear in comparison to other MMOs, WoW has the worst PvP balance and design. The crafting system is bare bones, exping get lonely and lets be honest, the Horde models are some of the ugliest I've seenen since Quake 1.

King of the Hill (1)

killermookie (708026) | more than 8 years ago | (#14656832)

King of the Hill MMORPG? Can I play as Hank Hill?

Re:King of the Hill (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14659066)

Man...that was clever...
It was also clever at 5:49, 5:51, 6:14, 7:23, and 7:46...

Not Quite (1)

neelm (691182) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659260)

"MMORPGs have evolved rapidly in terms of technology and gameplay"

More like MMORPGs have evolved rapidly in terms of ram reqs while gameplay has stay at or below M59...

ProgressQuest rules 'em all. (1)

Kent Brewster (324037) | more than 8 years ago | (#14660423)

Look for me (as Lars Overshank) in Expodrine [progressquest.com] , scragging those Cheese Elementals.

No mention of value (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14660439)

Would have been nice if they had a bang for your buck section. After suffering through SWG a while I swore I'd never again pay monthly for this type of game.
I originally bought Guild Wars because of the free online play. It restored my faith in the genre and I think I'm going to go buy WOW now.

Puzzle Pirates (1)

DanTheLewis (742271) | more than 8 years ago | (#14660754)

I know it's not the same, but it's the only MMOG I can stand to play. Finally, a virtual world for the terminally brilliant.

It's like those dumb puzzle games on Yahoo, but every puzzle works towards a piratey goal, like drinking someone under the table, or running a smoothly operating pirate ship, or defeating an army of other pirates. The games are fun and short, and you can get interesting things done in less than half an hour.

Best of all, if you don't have much of a stake in getting ahead in the game or having the best pirate clothes, you can play for free on micropayment (Doubloon) servers. I've whiled away many hours at no cost to myself. The monthly, if you want it, is $10 or less.

Check it out for a refreshing break from ready-to-slash stance.

http://www.puzzlepirates.com/ [puzzlepirates.com]

Eve is the best MMORPG so far (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14662862)

Even if you dont like sci-fi or spaceships games, EVE is the best game so far.

* Astonishing graphics
* The game never ends (good even if you are very old in the game)
* You dont need to powerlevel (like 99% of other MMORPGS). Also the game doesnt end at lvl60 (see WOW).
* Awesome market, economy.
* Awesome crafting system.
* Awesome player driven politics.
* Ubber players will not be over you, you can still beat them unless they are very specialized and good at what they do.
* Even if you are young, you can participate with the big boys in hard events.
* PVP is the best you can find.
* NPC, faction, loot, very good.
* unmatchable types/roles for ships.
* You can be any or all, miner, explorer, pirate, trader, builder, pvp'er, pve'r, etc..
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