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Ocarina of Time — Best Game Ever?

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the british-like-the-poncy-elves dept.

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The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time is the best game yet made, according to a list compiled by readers and writers of the lauded British gaming magazine Edge. Their list of the hundred best games ever is top-heavy with Nintendo titles, a full five out of the top ten being released to a Nintendo platform. Obviously, this sort of thing can get contentious, and CNet's Crave blog spoke up quickly with a contrary opinion. "The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time is truly a masterpiece that should be thought of as one of the greatest games ever created. But to call it the greatest game of all time is a serious misstatement. Unlike Super Mario Bros., Ocarina of Time was released in an era where video games were booming and sales were on the rise. Simply put, everyone was playing video games, and the game was the best of its time. But no other game in history--Ocarina of Time included--was able to save an entire industry from almost guaranteed destruction the way Super Mario Bros. did, and it is for this reason that we should all give ol' Mario and Luigi credit where it's due." Let's hear it, then. What game deserves to top a list of the 100 best games ever made?

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Counter-Strike (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19737333)

Is clearly the best game ever made. With billions of player mins per month and timeless gameplay, it seems that CS will never die. How many millions of people still play Mario bros?

Re:Counter-Strike (3, Informative)

nebaz (453974) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737355)

How many millions of people still play Mario bros?
I do.

I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S NOT HORSECOCK! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19737685)

nt

Re:Counter-Strike (1)

plunge (27239) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737769)

Ok, so that's one then. 999,999 people to go just to get to even a million. :)

Re:Counter-Strike (5, Insightful)

LandoCalrizzian (887264) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737477)

It still doesn't compare to the number of hours spent playing Super Mario Bros. Counterstrike can't even come close to the number of children(boys AND girls), teens(men AND women) and parents(men AND women) who were drawn to SMB like a moth to a flame. In 15 years, I doubt you'll find many people who keep a computer around just to play Counterstrike or it's sequels.

Nintendo is arguably the only developer(hardware and software) to stay true to the original idea of Video Games as a source of fun instead of pimping it out to gain control of the home theater market. Sony is starting to lose it's way and Microsoft is Microsoft.

I am not a nintendo fanboy but I do respect the Old School.

NETHACK (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19737525)

See subject. That's right.

Re:Counter-Strike (1)

weirdguy (1032140) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737607)

Counter-Strike has more internet traffic then the entire county of Italy. That might only be source actually...

Re:Counter-Strike (1)

strider2k (945409) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737621)

SMB has a larger fan base than CS. That could be the deciding factor whether or not which one is better.

Re:Counter-Strike (1)

mastershake_phd (1050150) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737779)

How many millions of people still play Mario bros?
 
Given a SNES9x for xbox disk and current xbox games I have found a lot of people prefer Mario Bros.

Best of All Time is... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19737339)

Final Fantasy VII is the best game of all time :)

Re:Best of All Time is... (4, Funny)

casualsax3 (875131) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737671)

Here's what's going to happen to your post: You're going to get modded flaimbait or troll, and some people will respond and tell you that you're too young and you've never played Final Fantasy VI, then they'll mention the subpar translation and the rushed third disc... Then someone will mod you funny just because, and then someone overrated just because you've got points... But then a few people will come along and remember how they felt playing VII for the first time, when they first visited the Golden Saucer and found minigames as deep and fun as other *complete* PS1 games, the chill they got when they were under the sea in the submarine - stopping dead in your tracks as you saw Emerald Weapon lurking in the distance for the first time, and the epic theme you were treated to just sitting on the world map marveling at the most fantastic soundtrack Uematsu has ever written - and you'll be modded up.

Re:Best of All Time is... (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737773)

And I'll just say: Panzer Dragoon Saga.

Psychonauts (4, Insightful)

cyberon22 (456844) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737349)

Psychonauts got in at 99? I would have pushed it into the top ten, but it's good to see that the game hasn't been completely ignored. I wonder how many people have actually played it.

Half-life (2, Interesting)

Riverman5 (1018024) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737353)

Half-life goes at the top of my list.

Re:Half-life (1)

weirdguy (1032140) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737567)

Mine too, Right under Half-Life 2.

BLAZEMONGER!!! (3, Funny)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737357)

By far the best game ever was Blazemonger. THousands of levels, nerve shattering graphics, nothing has even come close to matching its intensity.

Starcraft (2, Funny)

Magneon (1067470) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737359)

Obviously...

I learned the other day... (4, Insightful)

TerranFury (726743) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737453)

...that the South Korean Air Force has an official Starcraft team.

I'd say that getting your videogame elevated to the status of stadium-worthy spectator sport is a pretty huge achievement. Blizzard's Starcraft is surely up there.

(This is complicated only by the fact that it has so many worthy competitors from the same era: Age of Empires is the first that comes to mind.)

Re:Starcraft (3, Interesting)

Rebelgecko (893016) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737631)

I definitely have to agree with Starcraft. Despite being 10 years old, it still has a huge fanbase [teamliquid.net] , especially in South Korea where it is played professionally [wikipedia.org] and where some of the players make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. This very second over 24,000 people are playing Starcraft online.

DDR! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19737361)

*waits to get hit on head with keyboard*

Are you sure it's not Diablo 2? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19737373)

Surly Diablo 2 is the best gamer ever.

Zelda games in general have a fairly short life span, the game is the same every time you play though it. In comparison (aside from the story) Diablo 2 was different every time (Different character, different choice of skills, different map layouts etc.).

FF6 is clearly the best game ever made. (1)

PooseCat (1099571) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737375)

WTF? The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the past, was even better than OOT.

Why spend money on the story when it looks so good (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19737387)

Final Fantasy XII at number 8 = critical failure. Seriously, has anyone that voted on this list not played any of the other ones that were far superior? A vote for XII is a vote against nature.

BGOAT (4, Insightful)

Reason58 (775044) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737389)

You can't say something is the "best" without defining what you think those qualities are that make something best.

Storyline? Gameplay? Graphics? Sounds? Replayability? Uniqueness?

Re:BGOAT (1)

Icarus1919 (802533) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737407)

Hear hear!

Re:BGOAT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19737589)

All of the above. It's the entire package.

My vote goes for Wasteland. If these rinky-dink games like final fantasy pass for RPGs, it's a sad state of affairs.

Re:BGOAT (5, Insightful)

Plekto (1018050) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737771)

Wasteland was great, but the game that broke the RPG wide open was the Ultima series. Before that it was nethack-ish games that lacked a persistent environment, real character development, or a decent plot. Now, Ultima III was good, but the best of the series and the one that made everyone at the time(and I mean *everyone*) was IV. It essentially was Final Fantasy VII in scope and play. A decade earlier.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultima_IV [wikipedia.org]
1985. Nothing for almost a decade surpassed it in quality and scale.

*quote from that link*
"In 1996 Computer Gaming World named Ultima IV as #2 on its Best Games of All Time list on the PC."

It didn't even make the top ten - which is how you know this "list" is a joke. And Final Fantasy VII was what - way near the very bottom? The thing still commands $60 a copy on Ebay.

Re:BGOAT (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19737655)

I concur. This list is shit. The listing of Elder Scrolls IV and not listing of Fallout II, Baldur's Gate II, or Planescape: Torment makes the CRPG element of this list lose any sense of credibility. There is obviously no methodology. Could any gamer with a sense of history omit Adventure or Zork? How about Space Invaders? The Bard's Tale? Without some methodology this list is nothing more than one of Zonk's fanboy countdowns.

Re:BGOAT (1)

FiniteElementalist (1073824) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737737)

The list is pretty wonky. They have a lot of good games on there, but there are some startling omissions including a lot of the original NES games and some older computer games like the diablos and X-COM. A lot of these hold up very well by gameplay standards.

It seems like the methodology for putting something like this together is going to be almost necessarily full of holes. The articles don't tell how the list was formed other than contributions from those involved with Edge and some group of people in the industry.

Re:BGOAT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19737755)

Most certainly cannot be sales if Okami gets in at number 21 and the comments are artsy, stylish, critical darling, and largely ignored by the public. How good can it really be if it is largely ignored by the public? Like the tree that falls in the forest with no one to hear it, if a game is good but no one plays it, is it still a good game?

And where is DDR on this list? It HAS to be a better game than Crackdown.

Any list, without stating the criterion, is sort of arbitrary.

DNF!! (5, Funny)

binarybum (468664) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737391)

Duke Nukem Forever will most certainly be the best game of all time

  This is so friggin' obvious that even though the game is not yet complete, it should still easily have made #1. I demand a recount!

Print View (5, Informative)

GroovinWithMrBloe (832127) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737395)

For people who don't like clicking next 100 times. Print View [next-gen.biz]

Yes (3, Insightful)

sycomonkey (666153) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737399)

The answer is yes. Ocarina of Time has every element that makes video gaming such a rewarding and engaging pasttime. It was revolutionary, and it is still fun to this day.

Re:Yes (1)

mobby_6kl (668092) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737499)

The real answer is no. It's a fucking* RPG after all.

Oh, and Halo doesn't belong on the list. Anyway, enjoy your scheduled pointless top-XX list flamewar.

*- since there's no actual intercourse involved, it's not a good one at that

Re:Yes (1)

sycomonkey (666153) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737527)

If Zelda is an RPG then Solitaire is a FPS. It has RPG elements, but it's an action-adventure game.

Ocarina of Time (2, Interesting)

maestro371 (762740) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737409)

Zelda: Ocarina of Time is the _only_ game that I had trouble leaving for hours at a time. In my humble opinion, it is by far the best that has been. I would include Psychonauts and Warcraft 3 to round out my top 3.

Re:Ocarina of Time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19737609)

Warcraft 3

What sort of strange and warped universe do you live in in which Warcraft 3 was a better game than Starcraft? Hell, I'd rank Warcraft 2 above its RPG-contaminated sequels.

(Also: Alpha Centauri, or a Civilization game if you don't swing that way.)

What's with the sequels? (3, Insightful)

Jazzer_Techie (800432) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737411)

There are a lot of sequels on the list, often coupled with the omission of the original(s). They omit both Doom and Half-Life, while charting Doom II at 78 and Half-Life 2 at 4. Honestly, that just doesn't make much sense.

Re:What's with the sequels? (4, Insightful)

G-funk (22712) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737759)

Coz doom 2 was better than doom, and ditto for hl2? The list isn't "revoltionary" or "groundbreaking" games, it's "best".

Re:What's with the sequels? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19737797)

Maybe... I don't know... they were... better?

Huh? Is This Only Console Cames? (2, Interesting)

Plekto (1018050) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737413)

There seems to be an utter lack of PC titles from the 70s, 80, or most of the 90s.

Elite? Command and Conquer? Doom? Temple of Aphsai? Ultima IV? Zork?(anything by Infocom?)...

Or any other systems of note. Marathon? Tempest?(the original), Defender? Mortal Kombat? The list of things that they didn't even include is amazing. Almost as amazing as the just that made most of the top twenty.

Re:Huh? Is This Only Console Cames? (3, Interesting)

spoco2 (322835) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737553)

Look at who it's compiled by.

ALWAYS look at the source of any 'list', 'survey', or stats.

This is Edge, it's by far a console heavy magazine, they only really have PC there to try and make 'everyone' buy it.

No, they're not an unbiased source for this sort of list.

I far more trust the opinions of sites like http://gamespot.com/ [gamespot.com] or the like, as they have true PC sections.

Re:Huh? Is This Only Console Cames? (1)

ImTheDarkcyde (759406) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737713)

maybe its because elite has been updated to elite iii, command and conquer to C&C3, Doom, to Doom3,

I'm awfully sick of the nostalgia that seems to be running rampant nowadays.

Nintendo games (4, Interesting)

gustgr (695173) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737415)

Titles released by Nintendo usually do not have that super-duper-ultra virtual reality and graphics effects, like those for Playstation or X-Box, however, they are FUN. You don't need fancy and world-like effects with physics simulation to enjoy a title, you just need to be entertained by the plot and by the universe it immerses you. Nintendo is an odd company on that issue. I love their titles above all else.

I would not consider only Ocarina of Time as the masterpiece of Nintendo, but it is a hell of a game. Very fair list.

It's obvious! (5, Funny)

Carnildo (712617) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737417)

Best games of all time? E.T. and Custer's Revenge, of course!

Re:It's obvious! (1)

nebaz (453974) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737561)

No, no, no. It's Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask, of course.

Reordering the list (2, Interesting)

Kuku_monroe (753761) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737421)

3. Super Mario 64

1. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina

9. Tetris

5. Super Mario World

2. Resident Evil 4

4. Half Life 2

6. Zelda: A Link to the Past

8. Final Fantasy XII

7. Halo: Combat Evolved

10. Super Metroid

Honorable mention to:

Pikmin

Katamari Damacy

Best Nintendo game, maybe... (1)

amuro98 (461673) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737435)

Is it just me, or is the list HEAVILY slanted towards Nintendo games?

If this was really the case, then there wouldn't be a fight between Sony and Microsoft because Nintendo would have been crushing them since they first tried shoe-horning into the industry.

Not to mention the fact that hardly any of the games on the list are more than a few years old - Ocarina being about the oldest one there.

That's the problem with these lists - they're highly subjective to the participant's memory. If that person has only played 10 games, they're all "top 10 titles" in his mind.

Re:Best Nintendo game, maybe... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19737585)

"If this was really the case, then there wouldn't be a fight between Sony and Microsoft because Nintendo would have been crushing them since they first tried shoe-horning into the industry."

What makes you say that? There are a lot of very good independent movies, but I doubt any of them made more money than Spiderman 3. "Good" is not dependent on sales figures. The issues is further obscured by the fact that consoles have different numbers of games; would you rather buy a console with 5 spectacular games and nothing else, or a console with 2 spectacular games and 100 good games?

Re:Best Nintendo game, maybe... (1)

riceboy50 (631755) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737677)

Apparently it was voted number one by readers also. I think Nintendo has a certain cachet for all-around fun games. They may not necessarily be the most popular among the /. niche, but someone out there must like them.

Ocarina of Time? Please.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19737437)

ET for the Atari, hands down the best game ever made.

go? chess? (1, Redundant)

kpharmer (452893) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737439)

Go & Chess have each lasted for a thousand years or more. Still widey played, and there's no reason to believe they won't be widey played in another hundred years.

Besides these two there are countless other elegant and timeless board games games - backgammon, checkers, othello, etc. And quite a few great card games - poker, hearts, cribbge, etc. And some great dice games - such as farkle for instance. All of these games are in the public domain, can be had for pennies at a thrift store - or created yourself easily.

Compared to computer games that almost certainly won't exist in twenty years it seems difficult to see how these games wouldn't have made the top 10.

Wait, maybe someone meant Top *Computer* Games of the last 10 years?

What's with the obsession of "BEST"? (1)

JFMulder (59706) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737447)

Why couldn't they name the list "Most popular games of all time"?

Then nobody would be nitpicking about the choices of words. When asked, what was your favorite game of all time, the game that comes on top is pretty much the most popular game of all time.

Tough some might argue that it's not the most popular, only the "favoritest".

Re:What's with the obsession of "BEST"? (2, Interesting)

arodland (127775) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737603)

Because that one isn't very interesting, or fun. "Best" is good for an interesting argument, discussion, flamefest on slashdot, whatever. "Most popular according to polls" is just a bunch of numbers. The best argument you can scare up is to insult the polling techniques. :)

this deserves a poll (2, Insightful)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737467)

The sims series wins hands down as a series if you look at how many people play it. starcraft wins because you cant beat the sound of zerg being slaughtered in a poorly planned attack mario bros because of the fact that people still play it halo because of the fan following warcraft doesn't need an explanation spore is going to win if what they say about it is true

missing more than a few (2)

guysmilee (720583) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737473)

  • diablo
  • diablo 2
  • starcraft
  • war craft 1 & 2
  • ultima
  • space harrier

Crave Misunderstanding (5, Informative)

Dunx (23729) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737479)

What criteria are you using to measure greatness?

The Edge piece is quite clear that it is looking for games which are still worth playing now.

The Crave posting misunderstands this point and brings in an entirely different criterion.

I don't actually agree with either article (I don't remember Mario mattering that much in Britain, and I didn't like Ocarina of Time much), but the Crave piece just seems like pointless disagreement with the basis of the Edge article.

Re:Crave Misunderstanding (3, Interesting)

Lewisham (239493) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737629)

Mod parent up!

Every single article I've read about this poll gets confused and doesn't mention that it is a poll on games that must stand up today, which is why Pong or Doom aren't in the Top 10. Which of course, has lead to everyone to go off on a tangent and say silly things like "Mario Bros 1 should be number 1" and things.

This wasn't helped by the BBC deciding to choose a misleading headline and then burying this information at the bottom. I guess "journalists" don't read past the first two paragraphs anymore.

Way overhyped (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19737481)

Was Zelda OOT a great game for its time? yes. Is it a good game now? yes. Best game ever? NO!

OOT has far too many flaws in it that have not stood the test of time to be called the best game of all time. For example the lack of a target curser with ranged weapons making them painfull esp when you had to hit things with arrows on horseback. An inconsistant art style ware most of the main charicters looked normal and the extras looked like they were made by a 3 year old. A terible combat system ware the hardest enimay in the game was bats that were on fire followed by bats that could freeze then just normal bats.

Super Mario 64 (5, Interesting)

mushadv (909107) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737487)

Perhaps even more innovative and just as fun, but with wider appeal.

Metroid Prime and Mega Man 2 hit #2 and #3 on my personal list, respectively.

Re:Super Mario 64 (1)

KIFulgore (972701) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737643)

Super Mario 64, Metroid Prime, and Mega Man 2 are all in my top 10. You win my approval! *golf clap*

One of the best (4, Insightful)

Jerry Rivers (881171) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737491)

Deus Ex gets my vote.

Re:One of the best (2, Insightful)

xXenXx (973576) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737579)

I agree.

Ocarina of Time my ass.

Re:One of the best (1)

AlgorithMan (937244) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737619)

yeah, letz go and kick their asses... ;-)

Re:One of the best (1)

Landshark17 (807664) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737667)

I agree with you there, but I'd also like to have seen No One Lives Forever on that list.

Best Game - Boogerman: A Pick N' Flick Adventure (1)

PocketPick (798123) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737501)

I can think we can all agree that Snotty Ragsdale was the man.

Re:Best Game - Boogerman: A Pick N' Flick Adventur (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19737547)

World Of Warcraft, best for now.. best for ever.. the warcraft runs in ur blood stream.

Re:Best Game - Boogerman: A Pick N' Flick Adventur (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19737703)

A game so fun that people resort to using bots to play it for them. Grindfest FTW!

R-Type (1)

Figbash (16369) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737517)

It's 20 years old and still my favorite game... incredible level design, awesome music, gigeresque artwork and of course it's a blast to play.

Classic RPG (1)

aafiske (243836) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737523)

Baldur's Gate II. One of the few games I _still_ replay.

Billy Madison says: (5, Funny)

TheDarkener (198348) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737537)

Kid: Mortal Kombat, on Sega Genesis, is the best video game ever.

Billy Madison: I disagree, it's a very good game, but i think Donkey Kong is the best game ever.

Kid: Donkey Kong sucks.

Billy Madison: You know something? YOU SUCK!

It's now officially Summer! (1)

Torgo's Pizza (547926) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737551)

Whew! With all the rain that's been dumping where I live I thought Summer would never get here. But finally, the game media has finally brought Summer to the masses with the yearly list of "Best Games List Evah!!!111" Now I can relax, read the entertaining flamewars of what should be number one, what game was left off and the messages of hatred that this game was ranked so low. Ahhh... I'm grabbing my beach blanket, suntan lotion and start tanning by the light generated from the flames.

ADVENT (1)

KC1P (907742) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737573)

You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.

Good list (1)

benow (671946) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737587)

I'd add
  • forza motorsports (xbox) - excellent realism, customization and prediction (drivatar)
  • neverwinter nights - awesome concept and graphics, networking code could have been better. With more resources, could have been a WoW contender. User created worlds are great.
  • an old school dnd such as Pool of Radiance - The graphics weren't great, but the stories were.
Jade Empire was quite good too...

Panzer Dragoon Saga is the best game ever made (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19737605)

PDS is an absolute masterpiece. Just watch the 20 minute game intro, and you'll know right off that it's an unforgettable gem.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-468936435 7155334830&q=panzer+dragoon+saga&total=103&start=0 &num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=5 [google.com]

final fantasy 7 (0)

blanks (108019) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737617)

Not only was this one of the first (console) game to have more then 1 or 2 disks (7!). It was one of the longest non repedative games made in its time, as well as having some of the best graphics, cut scenes, audio and story line.

It was also one of the first games to have the ability to have characters off in various stages of the game with the ability to switch back and forth between them.

The fact that this game wasn't even in the top 10, let alone on the list at all and the fact that only 5 games in the top 30 were not nintendo games shows these people are bias or fanboys.

Idiotic. (2, Insightful)

Intellectual Elitist (706889) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737633)

Most "Top Anything" lists are silly and miss a number of obvious choices, but this list is downright idiotic. I give them points for including games like Gitaroo-Man and Tempest 2000, but some of the omissions and especially the ordering they chose are just obscene.

Virtua Tennis 3 better than Robotron? Nights Into Dreams better than Tomb Raider? Darwinia, Super Monkey Ball and R-Type Final making the list while classics like X-Com and Fallout are nowhere to be found? Don't even get me started on the timeframe and system bias evidenced here. What a joke...

Um. No. (1)

Zekasu (1059298) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737645)

FFXII at #8? Before FFVII?

Obviously, this list was built on popularity, rather than any actual figures, or account of depth of story.

That being said, I would still have to put Phantasy Star Online up there, even with a horrid storyline. But come on.. Counterstrike isn't even on there.

Zelda: A Link to the Past (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19737657)

Zelda: A Link to the Past

Zelda, yes. OOT, maybe not (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19737659)

Ocarina of Time was simply amazing. But I honestly had more fun playing The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past on the SNES. And I still play through it every now and then today.

OoT wins (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19737665)

I don't buy that argument for Mario Bros. that because it was revolutionary it was a good game. Sure it was fun at the time, but to me its like saying that the first book ever written is better than, say, Les Miserables. The fact is that the first "novel" written was probably in the style of epic poetry and is not that applicable to us today. Most of us would not enjoy reading it. However, Les Miserables spells out a story of the French Revolution and its ideals: things that impact us to this day- and it is relatively recent history. Most would find it a lot more engaging. Mario Bros. was cool at the time, but its lack of a deep story line and repetitive gameplay wears on the modern gamer.

I'm not sure about the best, but... (1)

Captain Vittles (1096015) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737679)

...Ocarina of Time is one of only three games I have ever played in which a few hours of gaming turned into an all-nighter. The others are Megaman X and Final Fantasy X. Of those three, I can easily say that OoT is the best.

RE 4 at #2?? (2, Interesting)

KIFulgore (972701) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737683)

Pffft, what a crock. The Resident Evil series did more to destroy clean 3D movement in games than any other series. I can't forgive the series for that. Mario 64 and Metroid Prime both blow away RE4.

And SMB belongs in the top 10.

Ocarina of Time is right where it belongs, at #1. It's funny the reviewer says "to call it the greatest game of all time is a serious misstatement," because as we all know, video game ratings lists are Serious Business (R).

My picks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19737687)

Unreal Tournament 2004 (ONS) best FPS multiplayer
Keef the Thief for best adventure
Gemstone III for best MUD vote

Fallout (1)

Popadopolis (724438) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737695)

Fallout and Fallout 2 defiantly deserve a place near the top of the list....

Nethack (1)

Asidonhopo (1123607) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737697)

'Nuf said

UK gaming rag ignores Bullfrog??? (4, Interesting)

*weasel (174362) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737717)

No Magic Carpet.
No Dungeon Keeper.
No Theme Hospital.
No Syndicate.
No Populous.

Furthermore: No X-Com, No Ultima IV and No Fallout.

Almost all lists like this are complete pap, but you simply cannot omit 5 top-50 titles and 3 more that are easily top-10 contenders. Not when you're presenting a list like this with a straight face. I know we bag on gaming 'journalism' for being a joke, but this isn't even funny.
It's just kinda sad.

Missing (1)

Etrias (1121031) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737723)

A game that should've been on the list should be No One Lives Forever. Clever, fun game and extremely funny.

the best game ever... (1)

loki_ninboy (992401) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737725)

Daikatana!!!

Metal Frogs FTW!!!!

Seriously, I haven't liked a Zelda game since A Link To The Past. The 3d look isn't what made Zelda, Zelda.

I honestly don't know what I would put as the greatest game of all time, but it wouldn't be that one.

Best Game Designer... (2, Interesting)

Franklin Brauner (1034220) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737727)

Best game seems too subjective to choose any single title, but I'm of the opinion that Shigeru Miyamoto is without compare in the industry, both for his artistic achievements, and how well he has advanced the grammar and cinematic language of interactive storytelling. For sure one of his titles deserves to be on the top of any list.
--
Franklin Brauner

I can prove it's not the best (2, Insightful)

exp(pi*sqrt(163)) (613870) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737731)

I don't know what is the best game. But there was another game for the same platform as Ocarina that was better - GoldenEye.

...Meh (1)

Oracle of Bandwidth (528405) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737745)

As someone who was a hardcore zelda fanboy (Yes I have one of the gold zelda carts) this game did my obsession in for me. I was almost screaming when I got the game, but I think I played it for like three or four hours, and never touched it again. It wasn't just bad, it was painfully bad. Other than the franchise it had little in common with the pervious zelda games, and a whole ton in common with the gobs of mediocre "collect them all" third person platformers the N64 was so fond of. I should go back and play a link to the past for the 5th time.

Rant done.

Let the flame wars began!!! (1)

Slithe (894946) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737747)

Seriously Zonk, are you TRYING to start a flame war?

Re: (1)

angryfirelord (1082111) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737753)

Photoshop

Best videogame? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#19737757)

Soul Calibur.

Best *game*? Chess and/or Go (the latter is more "hip" these days since it's all organic and such, but the former still has its appeal)

Questionable choices (1)

cpt.hugenstein (1025183) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737777)

Although Halflife 2 was great Halflife spawned the mega mod generation with cs, tfc, dod, etc. Plus it was a terrific game. FF12 is by no means fantastic other than in a graphical sence and should be replaced with snes ff3 or 6 which brought the traditional rpg to the americas and proved that we were caplable of being entertained by non platformer titles. Civilization 4 being good did not have that attention seizing grasp that Civilization 3 had and still has on me to this day. Being the peak of quality at the time and a balanced gameplay not to heavy on conflict or research it is a timeless game that should have mention.

B&W Mac memories (1)

leamanc (961376) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737785)

Shufflepuck [wikipedia.org] !

Top 10 (2, Informative)

Bibz (849958) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737787)

is top-heavy with Nintendo titles

Here it is, for those who don't want to click all 10 pages :

01. The Legend Of Zelda: Ocarina Of Time
02. Resident Evil 4
03. Super Mario 64
04. Half-Life 2
05. Super Mario World
06. The Legend Of Zelda: A Link to the Past
07. Halo
08. Final Fantasy XII
09. Tetris
10. Super Metroid

What? (1)

StarReaver (1070668) | more than 7 years ago | (#19737799)

Why is this even news, anyway? Putting it up on /. is just a way to get trolls coming in saying "x is better" or "y is better". Just because more people like OoT more than they like, say, Half-Life 2 doesn't make it the best game ever. I honestly disliked Ocarina of Time. I enjoyed Link to the Past more. But my opinion shouldn't matter towards the "best game ever". Other people may agree that OoT is the best game ever, however, that's their opinion. There will never be unanimous agreement on what the best game ever is.
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