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New Nintendo DS to Include Camera, Music

CmdrTaco posted about 6 years ago | from the and-it-fits-in-the-palm-of-your-hand dept.

Portables (Games) 261

BobB-nw writes "Watch out Apple, here comes Nintendo. Nintendo plans to launch a new version of its popular DS portable gaming device with a camera and music player function, according to a report in the Sunday edition of The Nikkei Business Daily. The new version will have better wireless capability for connecting to the Internet and will cost under $189, the report said. It will be offered first in Japan, it said. The DS first went on sale in 2004, and a second version, called the DS Lite, debuted two years later in 2006. Both have sold extremely well, with worldwide sales of the DS products at 77.5 million units as of the end of June this year."

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Cool (1, Redundant)

Endo13 (1000782) | about 6 years ago | (#25193313)

Sign me up. Already have a Lite, but will probably pick up one of these too.

Re:Cool (3, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | about 6 years ago | (#25193421)

I wouldn't count on this report being correct. Nintendo has had a pure cash cow [gonintendo.com] with the Nintendo DS. Since it market does not appear to have slowed significantly or run into serious competition, why would they refresh the hardware? A few folks have suggested the iPhone as competition, but I don't see anyone purchasing iPhones as DS replacements. Instead, they appear to use their iPhone as a spectacular networked handset and the DS as a gaming platform. The market does not appear ready to confuse the two.

Perhaps the most damning evidence is that out of all these reports on a new DS, they all cite the same source: Nikkei Business Daily. No one has yet independently confirmed this. So take it with a very large grain of salt.

Re:Cool (5, Funny)

Loibisch (964797) | about 6 years ago | (#25193465)

[...] they all cite the same source: Nikkei Business Daily. No one has yet independently confirmed this. So take it with a very large grain of salt.

Or considering the source maybe even a grain of rice.

Arrr 4 (5, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | about 6 years ago | (#25193473)

Since it market does not appear to have slowed significantly or run into serious competition, why would they refresh the hardware?

To reduce demand for R4, as I mentioned [slashdot.org] .

Re:Arrr 4 (0, Offtopic)

Kent Recal (714863) | about 6 years ago | (#25193827)

I somehow doubt that many people are buying these addon cards for Video. I mean, does anyone really watch movies on that tiny screen?

Re:Arrr 4 (4, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | about 6 years ago | (#25194295)

I somehow doubt that many people are buying these addon cards for Video. I mean, does anyone really watch movies on that tiny screen?

The DS Lite's 3" screen is bigger than an iPod Nano's 2" screen.

Re:Arrr 4 (2, Insightful)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | about 6 years ago | (#25194085)

To reduce demand for R4, as I mentioned.

If we were talking about a BIOS update, I might believe you. However, Nintendo makes a profit on these machines. They're keeping it 'fresh and exciting'. Slowing 'arrr 4' isn't going to make them more money, at least not in comparison to how much they'll make if the features of the system are interesting to the market.

Re:Arrr 4 (1)

tepples (727027) | about 6 years ago | (#25194215)

Slowing 'arrr 4' isn't going to make them more money, at least not in comparison to how much they'll make if the features of the system are interesting to the market.

Nintendo won't make more money if it keeps losing customers to the rom sites.

Re:Arrr 4 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25194105)

Pirate day was 10 days ago dude.

Re:Cool (1, Interesting)

CastrTroy (595695) | about 6 years ago | (#25193699)

The advantage of the DS as a gaming platform, is that if I lose/break my DS, I can buy a new one, and all my old games will continue to work. Or if a new model of DS comes out, I will most likely (according to past experience with Nintendo), be able to play all my old games on the new model. The same can't be said for the games. From my knowledge, when you buy a game for your iPod, it's tied to that hardware unit, and you can't transfer it to a new iPod.

Re:Cool (4, Interesting)

razberry636 (601469) | about 6 years ago | (#25194017)

From my knowledge, when you buy a game for your iPod, it's tied to that hardware unit, and you can't transfer it to a new iPod.

Yes you can. The iPod/iPhone apps are tied to your iTunes account and not the devices themselves. You can sync multiple devices with one account.

My wife and I each have an iPhone. Whatever apps I buy for my phone are also available on hers. Everything is a two-for-one deal!

Re:Cool (3, Informative)

AKAImBatman (238306) | about 6 years ago | (#25194165)

FYI, Nintendo has officially responded [kotaku.com] to this rumor:

We are always developing new products. However, since nothing has been announced officially, we are unable to comment at this time.

Hmm... playing close to their chest, aren't they?

Re:Cool (2, Insightful)

KDR_11k (778916) | about 6 years ago | (#25194339)

The expected reply. Many companies have a policy to never support or deny rumors except with official product announcements so noone can fill in the gaps (e.g. if they were to deny all or most false rumors a refusal to comment will mean it's more likely the rumor is true).

Re:Cool (2, Interesting)

Rocketship Underpant (804162) | about 6 years ago | (#25194199)

When a Japanese business rag states something as a fact, you can be pretty sure they have good sources on it. Japanese papers don't play fast and loose with the truth just to sell a few extra copies.

Re:Cool (4, Insightful)

squiggleslash (241428) | about 6 years ago | (#25194209)

You don't stay ahead of the game by standing still. If the DS wants to avoid competition springing up, it has to be a moving target.

There are some critical flaws in the DS that I'm surprised they've done nothing to fix. The most major is the lack of WPA support, forcing anyone who wants their DS to be network enabled to use WEP WAPs. (Say that five times...)

It's also not hard to see ways in which it could be improved while keeping within its mandate - the music feature seems more of a "me too" thing, but the camera sounds like something I can see Nintendo adding just to create another input device for DS developers to find new and original uses for. (If anyone has difficulty understanding what I mean here, then take the microphone on the DS. There's a subgame available for the DS where you inflate balloons by blowing into the microphone. Yeah. Now, think about that kind of lateral thinking applied to a camera.) Motion sensors would strike as obvious enhancements too.

I'm disappointed that Nintendo isn't doing more to enhance their current offerings. Releasing a more advanced Wii for a slightly higher price, while keeping the current one in production, would do much to manage demand for the unit while keeping sales and profits high.

Re:Cool (1)

Cornflake917 (515940) | about 6 years ago | (#25194419)

You do realize that Nintendo will probably release a next generation hand-held, right?

Re:Cool (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | about 6 years ago | (#25194373)

I don't know if it is true or not but yes the DS is a pure cash cow. That is why they would do it.
People will line up around the corner to get this. Nintendo will make a bigger mint. And the RnD will not cost that much. Nintendo has to keep the RnD department working anyway so why not push a new improved DS out the door.
Heck people go nuts for a new Color of DS much like the IPod so why not a refresh.
They might even cost less to make then the old ones as well.

Re:Cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25193635)

This is what Nintendo is hoping for. All of the current DS owners to re-buy their product like what was done with the DS Lite.

Most of the people I know who own a DS Lite, have the original "Brick DS". So its pretty safe to say they'll purchase this new one when it is released.

Re:Cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25193757)

That's what Nintendo is counting on. All of the DS Lite users to basically 're-buy' the new line of the DS.

The same thing happened when they put the DS Lite on the market. People switched, the same thing will probably happen here.

Re:Cool (1, Insightful)

Chyeld (713439) | about 6 years ago | (#25193977)

As long as I can play my homebrew on it, I'm up for a hardware refresh. On the other hand, I have a feeling if this were actually true and not a rumor, I'd be stocking up on DS Lites right now.

Any news on... (0, Offtopic)

WDot (1286728) | about 6 years ago | (#25193319)

Any news on the new Playstation Wii?

Everything has an MP3 Player (4, Funny)

Aetuneo (1130295) | about 6 years ago | (#25193327)

Any piece of technology will advance until it has an MP3 player function. This includes household appliances, and, apparently, the DS.

Re:Everything has an MP3 Player (4, Funny)

DreamerFi (78710) | about 6 years ago | (#25193349)

Except for the Zune.

Re:Everything has an MP3 Player (5, Funny)

AioKits (1235070) | about 6 years ago | (#25193441)

I can't wait for the MP3 Blender. Then I can have it play You Spin Me Round (Like a Record) while I blend!

Re:Everything has an MP3 Player (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25193747)

Can my fire detector play Disco Inferno? "Burn baby burn - Disco Inferno! Buuurn baby burn!"

Re:Everything has an MP3 Player (1, Offtopic)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | about 6 years ago | (#25194325)

I can't wait for the MP3 Blender. Then I can have it play You Spin Me Round (Like a Record) while I blend!

Yeah, but Will It Blend? Hmmm, that'd make for an interesting showdown--can a Blendtec devour a lesser blender?

Don't stop there... (4, Funny)

argent (18001) | about 6 years ago | (#25193451)

Any piece of technology will advance until it has an MP3 player function.

And can send email, and run Linux.

Re:Don't stop there... (2, Funny)

lju (944654) | about 6 years ago | (#25193847)

Not to mention the possibility of having a beowulf cluster of them...

Re:Don't stop there... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25193987)

You mean like this?
http://www.dslinux.org

Re:Don't stop there... (2, Funny)

LoverOfJoy (820058) | about 6 years ago | (#25194303)

And an NES emulator

Re:Everything has an MP3 Player (1)

Walpurgiss (723989) | about 6 years ago | (#25193619)

Ironically, using the R4ds, or DS-Extreme, or almost any of the other slot 1 and slot 2 homebrew solutions, are capable of playing back mp3s and movies via moonshell.

Just have to convert the movies like for iPod but a different codec and container. DPG I believe.

Re:Everything has an MP3 Player (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25193805)

The NDS can already play mp3, there's a pretty active homebrew scene for the device. Forget video though, it simply doesn't have the power, unless you want animated gif levels. It's fun being able to play the old monkey island games on it.

Re:Everything has an MP3 Player (1)

Cocoa Radix (983980) | about 6 years ago | (#25194191)

I'll wait for the Video Blender, myself. Can you imagine watching your favorite episodes of "Will it Blend?" while blending?

Goatse (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25193335)

Goatse. [twofo.co.uk]

You nerds love it.

Gameboy DS is a misnomer (5, Informative)

AKAImBatman (238306) | about 6 years ago | (#25193339)

Calling the new DS "Gameboy DS" is incorrect. The GameBoy line of portables ended with the GameBoy Advance. The DS is known simply as the "Nintendo DS".

Re:Gameboy DS is a misnomer (5, Interesting)

Ironchew (1069966) | about 6 years ago | (#25193571)

They threw Game Boy Advance backwards compatibility in there, though. If they were trying to call it something besides a Game Boy (successor), they sure stirred up a lot of confusion with that move.

Re:Gameboy DS is a misnomer (3, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | about 6 years ago | (#25193705)

They threw Game Boy Advance backwards compatibility in there, though. If they were trying to call it something besides a Game Boy (successor), they sure stirred up a lot of confusion with that move.

When the Nintendo GameCube was priced at $149.xx, some units were shipped with an accessory that ran Game Boy Advance games. Yet it was still called a GameCube.

Re:Gameboy DS is a misnomer (3, Insightful)

Bagels (676159) | about 6 years ago | (#25193753)

Actually, it makes perfect sense. They wanted to distance themselves from the old brand - just by dint of the name, GameBoy has connotations of a (male) child's toy. The DS has seen success in much broader markets, just as the Wii has, and at least some fraction of that is due to the more approachable branding. Yes, people really do get hung up on names that much.

They threw the backwards compatibility in simply because it was convenient (the DS has an ARM7 processor that can be clocked down to behave identical to GBA hardware) and because the folks who actually care about such compatibility will know to look for it. Amusingly enough, Slashdot is the only site that I've ever seen confuse the name of the system... this isn't the first time they've done it.

Re:Gameboy DS is a misnomer (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25194049)

They wanted to distance themselves from the old brand - just by dint of the name, GameBoy has connotations of a (male) child's toy.

Or they wanted to protect the "Gameboy" brand from the (then) threat of Sony's PSP with what they called the "third pillar" [kombo.com] , a handheld with gimmicks like two screens, touch sensitivity, and a microphone. Only after DS exceeded all expectations ("It prints money!") did they let the Gameboy line quietly die.

Re:Gameboy DS is a misnomer (2, Interesting)

gfxguy (98788) | about 6 years ago | (#25194417)

GameBoy has connotations of a (male) child's toy.

I know you're right, but when my son upgraded to a DS he let us take his GBA; I replaced the cover with a pink one we ordered off ebay (and a new battery, as well), and gave it my daughter as a "GameGirl."

Re:Gameboy DS is a misnomer (1)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | about 6 years ago | (#25193823)

They threw GameCube backwards compatibility in on the Wii, though. If they were trying to call it something besides a GameCube (successor), they sure stirred up a lot of confusion with that move.

Re:Gameboy DS is a misnomer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25193903)

How so? The Wii can play Gamecube discs, but do you hear people calling it the Gamecube Wii? Nintendo never branded the DS as a version of the Gameboy. It was intended to exist alongside the Gameboy, but it ended up being too much competition for the GB to handle. I'm not really sure where the idea that it was supposed to be a successor came from.

Re:Gameboy DS is a misnomer (1)

Tangent128 (1112197) | about 6 years ago | (#25194001)

I suspect the "alongside" claim was more of a precautionary measure; if the DS had turned out to be a VirtualBoy-esqe flop, then they could discontinue it without it tarnishing the GameBoy brand and create a different successor.

Re:Gameboy DS is a misnomer (2, Insightful)

philspear (1142299) | about 6 years ago | (#25194137)

They threw Game Boy Advance backwards compatibility in there, though. If they were trying to call it something besides a Game Boy (successor), they sure stirred up a lot of confusion with that move.

Calling their console the "wii" shows nintendo has some odd ideas about names.

Re:Gameboy DS is a misnomer (4, Insightful)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | about 6 years ago | (#25193711)

The GameBoy line of portables ended with the GameBoy Advance.

GameBoy Advance begat GameBoy Advance SP, which begat GameBoy Micro...

Re:Gameboy DS is a misnomer (2, Informative)

Enderandrew (866215) | about 6 years ago | (#25193857)

Actually the Gameboy Micro was the last Gameboy.

The real question is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25193357)

Who wants a body massage?

Re:The real question is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25193489)

Does it involve a happy ending?

Re:The real question is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25193789)

Oooh... Mr. Body Massage Machine GO!

But of course... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25193359)

...adding all this extra stuff to a portable gaming console is just bloatware and evidence that the company doesn't have its priorities straight... ...wait, this is Nintendo and not Sony?

Brilliant! So innovative! Truly a mark of genius!

To kill demand for R4, SuperCard, M3, CycloDS, etc (4, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | about 6 years ago | (#25193415)

adding all this extra stuff to a portable gaming console is just bloatware and evidence that the company doesn't have its priorities straight

We've discussed rumors of this on gbadev.org and pocketheaven.com. Consensus was that Nintendo might do this to make it less likely that people will buy adapters like SuperCard DS One, CycloDS Evolution, or M3 Real for video and then end up using them to pirate games.

Re:To kill demand for R4, SuperCard, M3, CycloDS, (1)

Ratbert42 (452340) | about 6 years ago | (#25193931)

Absolutely what I was thinking. If they beef up the encryption and can break the pirate cards, it's worth it to Nintendo. They just need enough of a carrot to get people to upgrade and I don't think a little-used camera and MP3 player are enough.

No phone yet? (1)

DreamerFi (78710) | about 6 years ago | (#25193363)

I'm disappointed.

Re:No phone yet? (1)

RobertB-DC (622190) | about 6 years ago | (#25193551)

Ha ha only serious. The cell phones I've had seem to be poorly-thought-out portable game consoles with a phone tacked on as an afterthought. If Nintendo made a game console with a phone added in, at least the gaming part wouldn't suck.

I wonder if... (4, Interesting)

Darundal (891860) | about 6 years ago | (#25193365)

...the camera will be useful for any games? Something along the lines of how it was used with some Gizmondo games, or that weird card game with the PS2 EyeToy? And what about the media player functionality? Could this herald the appearance of games like Audiosurf, games that react to the music playing, on the DS?

Re:I wonder if... (2, Interesting)

Xs1t0ry (1247414) | about 6 years ago | (#25193645)

There's definitely going to be a cutesy app where you can scribble on photos and give yourself anime eyes and stuff... just what the world needs.

Not a Game Boy (-1, Redundant)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | about 6 years ago | (#25193367)

Nintendo dropped the "Game Boy" name for its portables starting with the Nintendo DS. </pedanticbastard>

Color me skeptical. (2, Insightful)

Millennium (2451) | about 6 years ago | (#25193373)

Nintendo has generally been about not bloating its systems in the past. Why would they release a new DS with all this crap while it's still going strong?

Re:Color me skeptical. (1)

Ngarrang (1023425) | about 6 years ago | (#25193461)

Nintendo has generally been about not bloating its systems in the past. Why would they release a new DS with all this crap while it's still going strong?

Because it will make them trillions of more yen?

What if Nintendo has the expertise to add the new functions without ruining the existing game-play features? And there is also a chance it won't be called a "DS" and will be a new product line that won't affect the game-players.

Re:Color me skeptical. (1)

Millennium (2451) | about 6 years ago | (#25193565)

Because it will make them trillions of more yen?

Probably not, actually. DS units are still selling out, and Nintendo cannot sell a DS that it has not yet built.

What if Nintendo has the expertise to add the new functions without ruining the existing game-play features?

If it were entirely in Nintendo's hands that would be one thing, but it's not. Give third parties even the slightest chance to take the easy way out over putting in the effort to make quality games, and they'll take that way out every time.

And there is also a chance it won't be called a "DS" and will be a new product line that won't affect the game-players.

I seem to remember Nintendo saying that about a certain other new system back in 2004.

Re:Color me skeptical. (4, Interesting)

sapphire wyvern (1153271) | about 6 years ago | (#25193701)

If it has WPA support, I'll be upgrading my current DS the day that I can. I haven't yet used the online mode because I don't want to downgrade the security on my AP to WEP.

Re:Color me skeptical. (1)

tepples (727027) | about 6 years ago | (#25193989)

If it has WPA support, I'll be upgrading my current DS the day that I can. I haven't yet used the online mode because I don't want to downgrade the security on my AP to WEP.

WPA is not likely, as I explained [slashdot.org] . Have you considered buying a second AP, setting it to WEP, and turning it off when you're not using Nintendo WFC?

Re:Color me skeptical. (1)

sapphire wyvern (1153271) | about 6 years ago | (#25194289)

I have, actually. Still am in fact ;). Specifically, the Nintendo WiFi USB thingy that tzhuge mentioned below.

But there's another factor to consider. I mainly play my DS when I'm out and about; at home I mostly spend my spare time on the PC. And unfortunately, even the coffee shops and public libraries seem to be mostly running WPA these days. Sure, the encryption key's readily available, but that doesn't help when the device is so behind the times.

So I'd still upgrade on the release day if it supports WPA!

Tried a Wayport AP? (1)

tepples (727027) | about 6 years ago | (#25194459)

And unfortunately, even the coffee shops and public libraries seem to be mostly running WPA these days.

Then go to a McDonald's restaurant to use a Wayport AP. Wayport has an agreement with Nintendo to provide complimentary Internet access for every Nintendo WFC game (excluding Nintendo DS Browser).

Re:Color me skeptical. (4, Interesting)

tzhuge (1031302) | about 6 years ago | (#25194043)

I bought the little Nintendo WiFi USB adapter [wikipedia.org] for this exact reason. I can just plug it in when I want to use my DS online, and pull it out once I'm done.

Introducing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25193379)

An all new way to divide your user base.

I don't know why Apple needs to worry (4, Interesting)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | about 6 years ago | (#25193387)

I own both a DS Lite & an iPod Touch (1st gen). I enjoy both of them, though I have been getting a lot more use out of my iPod Touch in the last month or so. Most DS games have music, so I really don't see myself listening to different music while playing a game on the DS. Likewise, unless the DS will include an address book, calendar, e-mail, scientific calculator and web browser on board, plus the ability to sync with my computer & download free apps wirelessly, Apple has nothing to worry about.

DSOrganize much? (4, Informative)

tepples (727027) | about 6 years ago | (#25193445)

Most DS games have music, so I really don't see myself listening to different music while playing a game on the DS. Likewise, unless the DS will include an address book, calendar, e-mail, scientific calculator and web browser on board

You just described the feature set of DSOrganize 3.1129, a very popular homebrew application for the Nintendo DS.

Re:DSOrganize much? (2, Insightful)

pandrijeczko (588093) | about 6 years ago | (#25193561)

Remember, he's using a totally locked down Apple device - you might want to explain the concept of "homebrew" to him.

Re:DSOrganize much? (1)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | about 6 years ago | (#25193567)

You just described the feature set of DSOrganize 3.1129, a very popular homebrew application for the Nintendo DS.

I appreciate the DS homebrew scene, but it's still not enough. I'd like to have these things on board the unit, not on a separate card I have to swap out with games. I can play a game on my iPod Touch, hit the home button and go right back into my other info. So still, until Nintendo includes these things on board, it's almost a completely different market than Apple.

Re:DSOrganize much? (1)

Chyeld (713439) | about 6 years ago | (#25194045)

Arr matey, you can do all that on one card depending on the flag you fly.

Kidding aside, though my card doesn't support commercial roms, the one thing that has tempted me in getting one that can is having all the games I own on one 2 gig card.

This is just great (0, Redundant)

Plazmid (1132467) | about 6 years ago | (#25193389)

Now I have to buy yet another Nintendo DS!

Aftermarket accessories (1, Insightful)

Scutter (18425) | about 6 years ago | (#25193417)

When the DS Lite was introduced, the supply of aftermarket accessories for the DS dried up completely. I wonder if the same thing will happen to DS Lite accessories. It would make sense as it will help to drive sales for this new hardware release.

Better wireless? (5, Insightful)

Chris Pimlott (16212) | about 6 years ago | (#25193439)

Hopefully that means WPA capability (finally...)

WPA (2, Informative)

tepples (727027) | about 6 years ago | (#25193543)

Hopefully that means WPA capability (finally...)

Probably not to existing games. WPA would need driver support, and the Wi-Fi driver is part of the game, not the DS firmware.

But in my opinion, WEP + MAC filtering is good enough. It won't prevent everyone from breaking into your network, but it still establishes an attacker's intent [wikipedia.org] to break into your network and diverts wardrivers to your neighbor's open network.

Re:WPA (1)

Chaos Incarnate (772793) | about 6 years ago | (#25193633)

Are you sure it's not part of the firmware? There's obviously some bits and bobs that exist outside of the game (hence why WFC settings persist from game to game)...

Re:WPA (1)

tepples (727027) | about 6 years ago | (#25193923)

There's obviously some bits and bobs that exist outside of the game (hence why WFC settings persist from game to game)

This area of the firmware contains only settings, not code. The only Wi-Fi-related code in the DS firmware is code for the ad-hoc protocols used by PictoChat and DS Download Play, which don't use WEP or WPA.

Re:WPA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25193693)

Given the price of wireless routers these days (especially 802.11g), it's just a minor hassle to connect a secondary WEP-only router for your Nintendo DS.

I was sold on it... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25193507)

...when they announced that it had an RFID-powered Jew detector. Now I can play Mario Kart *and* keep those bastages off my lawn!

Rumor lacking details (5, Insightful)

alvinrod (889928) | about 6 years ago | (#25193527)

I think most of us saw this one coming, but the article is completely devoid of any information. First it's still just speculation that this is going to be the new announcement. For all any of us know it could be another new device to interact with the Wii. The only evidence the article even presents is that another news publication carried the rumor yesterday.

There's no mention of how they're going to add music and make it easy to put music on the device. There's no details on the camera either or even if the physical dimensions of the DS are going to be further reduced. Wouldn't it have been better to wait until Thursday when the product is actually announced and all of the details are released?

I don't mind a little speculation, but this had absolutely no substance to it at all. It's just a rumor repeated from another publication without anything of value added. Without the rest of the fluff about sales figures and release dates this article would have been one or two lines at most. What a complete waste of time.

Gameboy DS? (5, Funny)

dancingmad (128588) | about 6 years ago | (#25193531)

taco, you sound like my mother.

Re:Gameboy DS? (0, Redundant)

j_166 (1178463) | about 6 years ago | (#25193723)

Hey, watch it! Commodore Taco is one of the best dotslash editors out there! Anyone who says otherwise is obviously snorting too much pot.

To be honest... (2, Interesting)

gfxguy (98788) | about 6 years ago | (#25193549)

I'd like to see more productivity apps for the DS. My son cracked the case of his DS, and I tried fixing it with a new case. It worked, but I guess I didn't plug in the secondary video cable too well because it acts all wonky sometimes; so I got him a new one and kept the old one for myself.

But I don't use it at all (it's stable when you are... it'd go wonky in the car when we hit a bump or something). I don't have any electronic organizers or anything, so I'd really like to see some productivity apps for it. I mean, it's got wifi and everything built in, it seems you should be able to do email, address books, calendars...

I know there is a homebrew group of people who are working on such things, but it seems like another giant pain. I don't have time to tinker. It's odd that Nintendo didn't see fit to release something along those lines themselves.

Re:To be honest... (5, Informative)

tepples (727027) | about 6 years ago | (#25193597)

I know there is a homebrew group of people who are working on such things, but it seems like another giant pain. I don't have time to tinker.

You don't have to tinker much to run homebrew:

  1. Go to dealextreme.com or another online electronics store carrying DS homebrew accessories.
  2. Buy a CycloDS Evolution, M3 Real, or other microSD-to-DS adapter. These are the size of a DS Game Card, and they usually come bundled with a microSD writer. You'll also need to buy a 2 GB microSD card.
  3. Download homebrew apps and unzip them to the microSD card.
  4. Put the microSD card in the DS adapter, put the adapter in the DS, and power on.

As far as anyone can tell, this rumored product is Nintendo's attempt to kill the market for microSD adapters that are also capable of running unlawful copies of DS games.

Re:To be honest... (1)

gfxguy (98788) | about 6 years ago | (#25194359)

Wow. This is one of the reasons I still read slashdot... despite the crappy signal to noise ratio, I learn cool stuff like this.

Judging by the other responses, can I assume the apps will use the card itself for storage?

Re:To be honest... (1)

Microlith (54737) | about 6 years ago | (#25193613)

The memory limitations of a system like the DS make such apps impractial at best and pointless at worst.

Even the Opera web browser cart comes with a secondary cartrige that contains extra RAM just for storing things while browsing, as the unit has so little memory by default they probably would have had to resort to partial downloading and funny buffering tricks or were unable to hold a page in RAM period.

Re:To be honest... (2, Informative)

Big Boss (7354) | about 6 years ago | (#25193801)

The DS has 4MB of RAM. That's enough for productivity apps. Homebrew productivity apps also have access to the filesystem on the MicroSD card, so they can swap or do standard file I/O if they need it. Speed to/from the SD card is quite reasonable for a handheld platform like the DS.

The web browser is a different animal, the modern web page uses a lot of storage. I think the RAM cart is 16MB. I'm sure some of that is used for a page cache to make performance reasonable.

Re:To be honest... (2, Informative)

Microlith (54737) | about 6 years ago | (#25193851)

Homebrew productivity apps also have access to the filesystem on the MicroSD card, so they can swap or do standard file I/O if they need it.

And yet this is not relevant when discussing the DS proper, as Nintendo will not be making an SD card slot equipped cartridge available. Even if the unit has 4MB of RAM, it will be inherently limited vs. a PDA for a number of things:

1. Storage - As I said, Nintendo won't release a device with a PC-Compatible memory card slot for obvious reasons.
2. Connectivity - While the unit has Wifi, they generally only allow connections to their matchup service. I don't see Nintendo allowing the release of PDA software that syncs with a PC, again for obvious reasons.

Wii has an SD slot (1)

tepples (727027) | about 6 years ago | (#25194039)

Nintendo will not be making an SD card slot equipped cartridge available.

Nintendo doesn't have to. Team Cyclops has done so.

Nintendo won't release a device with a PC-Compatible memory card slot for obvious reasons.

What's that slot on the front of my Wii console between the reset and eject buttons?

While the unit has Wifi, they generally only allow connections to their matchup service.

I seem to remember Nintendo DS Browser being able to go to web sites not controlled by Nintendo.

funny t-shirts (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25193569)

I was born in the early 80's. I love nintendo. Super mario brothers duckhunt and to tell the truth I'm only good at nintendo and super nintendo, any system more complicated than that i;m lost. I do have my doubts about how well this product will do though as nintendo is not known for mp3 camera's etc... But if the product is good, then it will sucdeed. With the net, a bad product won't last long and a good one won't remain unknown long. Hope it's good and has Mario brothers

But WHEN? (1)

querist (97166) | about 6 years ago | (#25193637)

When will this be released in Japan? I'll be flying through Tokyo in November and the Narita Airport has a huge number of stores. I'm sure one of them will be carrying this thing.

Re:But WHEN? (1)

philspear (1142299) | about 6 years ago | (#25194157)

Bring me back some pocky, please.

RIM is the ultimate loser here. (-1, Offtopic)

lancejjj (924211) | about 6 years ago | (#25193677)

Watch out Apple, here comes Nintendo. Nintendo plans to launch a new version of its popular DS portable gaming device with a camera and music player function

Apple? How about RIM! RIM isn't even beginning to compete in this space. Instead, they have their "Curve". It's ONLY claim to fame is that it is a BlackBerry marketed to the general public - something that I would not call much of an innovation - and it's missing the hottest technology of the decade, Multi-Touch.

Sure, RIM is counting on the "business professional", with decent Exchange integration (which, BTW, the iPhone has now - I know, I've used it).

But let's be real - many advances in computing technologies - from graphics card to GUI interfaces to the Internet to Open Source software and Shareware were considered unprofessional toys in their day. Even Microsoft discounted the Internet for 5 years, and thousands of companies ignored Open Source and Shareware and Linux until they ended up looking like fools and/or getting fired.

RIM wants to convince the world that "real business users are BlackBerry users". In the mean time, RIM is loosing their technology expertise, as their tech people leave them for where the excitement and money is.

Yes, RIM will "soon" have a "killer" device - two years late to market, and with dubious capabilities. RIM may just be making the Aviion of the decade - the last nice product of a quickly-evaporating corporation.

Bad Summary (1)

mathx314 (1365325) | about 6 years ago | (#25193829)

These reports of a new "Gameboy DS" (it's just the Nintendo DS) are still, as of right now, speculation. Admittedly, the Nintendo Media Summit is just around the corner, so the rumors are believable but there's hardly a guaranteed new device coming out.

Nintendo have already replied to the rumor (5, Informative)

AndyboyH (837116) | about 6 years ago | (#25193951)

with a 'no comment' style reply, here:
http://kotaku.com/5056082/nintendo-on-that-new-ds-rumor [kotaku.com]

Re:Nintendo have already replied to the rumor (1)

abigsmurf (919188) | about 6 years ago | (#25194183)

That's actually a lot different to their standard denial.

For one thing it's carefully worded so that there won't be egg on the PR guy's face if it is announced. The biggest suspicious thing about that though, is that Nintendo's denials are almost always "Nintendo doesn't comment on rumours and speculation".

Speculaiton until Thursday (1)

abigsmurf (919188) | about 6 years ago | (#25194163)

The 'larger screened' DS has been rumoured for over a year. Long rumoured Nintendo products almost always turn out to be true (look at the Ultra 64, Dolphin, Revolution, Nitro product codes for proof).

Nintendo DS sales are starting to slow (the PSP has gained popularity over it) and Nintendo always announce successors to handhelds just after they've peaked (DS was announced when the GBA was going strong). The graphics on the DS have long since peaked, developers really aren't able to squeeze any more out of the system. There's also not been any notable first party DS games for a long time.

However, 2 months notice for a new console? That's incredibly short notice. I can't see any third party games making that launch (unless of course they've an incredibly good NDA in place).

Circumstances indicate a DS2. Time frame by the paper indicated a DS redesign. I'd say it's more likely the paper got the dates wrong and there's a DS2 launching mid next year.

My DS already plays mp3s... (1)

Rutefoot (1338385) | about 6 years ago | (#25194245)

...as well as videos via some inexpensive and non-intrusive third party hardware. It's the main reason I purchased it and one of the biggest advertised selling feature of the little card.

...The little card that also happens to be widely used for running pirated games.

Coincidence that Nintendo is coming out with this now?

Re:My DS already plays mp3s... (1)

Rutefoot (1338385) | about 6 years ago | (#25194423)

I see tepples already touched on this. That's what I get for failing to read 135 posts before I make mine.
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