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Second GTA IV Patch Released, Early Look At DLC

Soulskill posted about 6 years ago | from the more-dudes-with-guns dept.

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IllusionMPN notes that a new patch has been issued for the PC version of Grand Theft Auto IV. It primarily contains bug fixes and optimization changes, though it's created an issue with some input devices. We're also starting to get hands-on previews of the upcoming downloadable "episodic content," The Lost and the Damned. Trailers and an achievement list are available as well. The original game's Niko Bellic won't have much of a role in the new content.

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First post (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#26596567)

first post! cool

Meh (1)

!coward (168942) | about 6 years ago | (#26596599)

Damn, man.. Yet another patch and yet again it manages to screw something up?! We're either talking some major bad luck or an assinine QC.

I was actually looking forward to playing it on my brand new machine, until it finally came out and everyone started bitching about all the problems they were having. So instead, I took that money, and with the perfect storm of coincidences (huge amazon uk x-mas deal, plus near parity between the sterling pound and the euro at the time) and bought 3 games for my (also brand new) PS3.. And that included the ps3 version of GTAIV.

As for the DLC.. We're probably still talking about Xbox360 exclusive and, not having one, wouldn't make any difference to me. But looking at what's available as DLC on other platforms (mainly the ps3 store) I really don't see myself paying 20-30-or even-40% of normal retail prices for relatively minor additions. But that's just me: when I actually pay for/buy a game at these ridiculous prices (and I actually do that more often now than I did a few years ago -- IF the game is good enough) I feel ripped off if the devs "saved" some stuff that should be included by default, only because they thought they could milk some more green from me.

I'll admit that in some cases, DLC actually does bring a lot to the table (well thought-out episodic releases, for one -- and I mean the real sort, just because they _call_ it episodic, it doesn't mean it is), and I found that the cases where it did work for me, the original game wasn't priced so high, and the DLC is equally priced at a lower point.. But still, seems like every game studio out there at the moment are turning to this, and not thinking it through. Let's see what happens to Gran Turismo 5 when it comes out. Somehow I get the feeling that when they said over 900 cars would be available, they didn't mean _with the actual game_. And being a long time gamer, that really sucks.

Re:Meh (3, Informative)

Briareos (21163) | about 6 years ago | (#26596881)

Damn, man.. Yet another patch and yet again it manages to screw something up?! We're either talking some major bad luck or an assinine QC.

Nah, it's just stupid submitters and ignorant editors all over again - the "issue" that's linked in the summary was actually caused by the first patch and is now fixed [rockstargames.com] in the second one:


The issue has been fixed in the latest Title Update However, with Title Update, some users are experiencing a Look/Spin/"Stuck Key" issue that interferes with user input.

np: Frivolous - Forget The Funk (Midnight Black Indulgence)

Re:Meh (1)

Fumus (1258966) | about 6 years ago | (#26599189)

I like how they "fixed" the issue.

At first, GTA didn't even notice my thrustmaster gamepad. Then after the first patch whenever I had it plugged in, the controller was noticed, but stuck pressing up and left. Nothing helped.

Now they simply reverted back to the previous ignoring of my gamepad. No -usedirectinput options etc. helped.

Great work guys, keep it up! Why won't game developers stick to the directinput libraries? They support every gamepad. And don't give me the crap about next-gen controllers. If GTA IV works on the PS3, why can't the PC version handle a PlayStation-like gamepad?

Re:Meh (1)

Briareos (21163) | about 6 years ago | (#26602773)

If GTA IV works on the PS3, why can't the PC version handle a PlayStation-like gamepad?

Because, let's face it, the only way to play GTA on a PC ever since GTA III is using keyboard and mouse.

I've got an XBox 360 controller right here, but I would never consider using it for a shooter like GTA - autoaiming is just lame. And it's not like there's many racing missions in it that would somehow get much easier with a gamepad...

Prince of Persia, Mirror's Edge or Trackmania United, on the other hand, are great for use with the controller, though.

Re:Meh (1)

morari (1080535) | about 6 years ago | (#26603439)

I couldn't get GTA4 to recognize my mouse when trying to change many of the control settings. I don't like using my 360 controller and I don't like the default WASD keyboard/mouse setup. This has got to be one of the worst ports ever.

First impressions (4, Informative)

Jupix (916634) | about 6 years ago | (#26596609)

  • The game forgot all settings again
  • Redoing them, again some of them didn't stick, and I had to redo them
  • I think they've done something to the sounds. It seems the klack of shoes while walking, pedestrian sounds, environment feeling inside cars, and such is much clearer now. It feels like they enabled EAX or something. This is good
  • Shadows are fixed, they're passable now and not like this [jupix.info] . Also, the shadow detail slider now actually changes something (how far away and detailed the game draws shadows)
  • Playing pool is still broken, it's like a have a controller constantly pushing the rod forward. However this can't be controller incompatibility since I have none, and since this behavior occurs nowhere else in the game. This only means I can't play pool. (And anyway, I can't understand why they changed the pool controls from San Andreas, they were awesome compared to the console ones we have now. It's like Rockstar had a strange perversion to have as many functions in the game as possible controlled by the keyboard.)
  • The longer I played, the slower the game seemed to load textures.
  • Couple of hours into a game session I got some hitches of a few whole seconds. Then after a while I got a yellow screen before a scene change. Again a few minutes went by and the game froze, taking the OS (XP) down with it.

Overall some nice improvements, but disappointigly, the major issues of the game remained untouched (DRM and consoley UI).

Re:First impressions (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#26596863)

I remember GTA: Vice City being enjoyable and generally successful, even in its ported PC form. Rockstar Games was a well regarded company. Now we have GTA IV, which sounds every bit like a disaster to me and I am pleased as a peach to have never purchased it. Have Rockstar been taking notes from EA Games in recent times? Even the DRM schemes are seemingly shared between the two companies' latest excuses for entertainment.

Those additional screenshots of yours had me shaking my head in either disbelief or disgust. Maybe both; I'm appalled, regardless.

Re:First impressions (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about 6 years ago | (#26597321)

DRM has stopped me buying this game. I bought GTA3 and Vice City for PC and San Andreas for PS2, and was really looking forward to playing GTA IV.

Why does Rockstar hate me so much? I want to buy their game, but they insist on installing all manner or crap on my PC. If it just used Steam's DRM I might have got it. Maybe one day I'll get a XBOX 360, but it's hardly worth it for one game.

I'm now going to have to wait until a warez group releases a DRM-free version. It's not like I can even buy the game and then use a crack, because it will still install the DRM driver.

Re:First impressions (1)

0123456 (636235) | about 6 years ago | (#26599055)

Same here: I was going to buy it from Steam, but since they insist on installing their crappy DRM as well as Valve's, they've lost another sale.

Which I'm actually somewhat happy about, now I know how slow and buggy it is.

I'm never buying another Rockstar game (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#26596621)

GTA IV was a wonderful thing for PS3, but for PC it's a carefully orchestrated insult.

I don't want to get into how many hoops one must jump through in order to play the game on PC, but consider that one must be logged into Games For Windows Live just to save one's progress in the game.

The Microsoft "you-may-not-cheat-in-single-player-because-we-say-so" mentality behind this ego-tainted abomination really hits home in the PC port of this otherwise technically beautiful game takes a giant shit on the moddable sandbox gameplay that has been the mainstay of the previous titles in this franchise.

No, I didn't much like the dating-sim aspect of GTAIV, but I could have gotten over that were it not for Microsoft's need to control-freak all over my otherwise ready-to-pay mojo.

Re:I'm never buying another Rockstar game (1)

Fumus (1258966) | about 6 years ago | (#26596731)

You can cheat in GTA IV. Just google it. It's done by dialling numbers on your phone.

Re:I'm never buying another Rockstar game (1)

gapagos (1264716) | about 6 years ago | (#26599489)

You can also use trainers and weapon modificators.

I've seen people online using 100% invincibility; 100% car invicibility; unlimited ammunition (no reloading) and firing RPG missiles from their AK-47 at 15 rounds per second.

It is absolutely ridiculous.

Re:I'm never buying another Rockstar game (1)

HiVizDiver (640486) | about 6 years ago | (#26598773)

Not trying to fan the flames of fanboyism, but I bought it on release day for PS3 and don't remember having a single issue with it. I know there were some freezing/lockup issues, which I fortunately never had. Game looked and played great.

Too bad Saints Row 2 is the game that GTA IV *should* have been. :)

Re:I'm never buying another Rockstar game (1)

4D6963 (933028) | about 6 years ago | (#26599101)

I don't see the issue with the Games For Windows Live thing, it logs in transparently while displaying the legal screens, and doesn't interfere much with anything, not even modding (I write some LUA scripts for GTA IV). The one real downside is that it makes it pretty hard to play multiplayer on a cracked version.

Re:I'm never buying another Rockstar game (1)

Wooloomooloo (902011) | about 6 years ago | (#26602597)

You can create an offline GFWL account. Now if only they got rid of the RGSC nags, we'd be able to launch the damn game with a single click...

Gamepad issue. (3, Interesting)

Fumus (1258966) | about 6 years ago | (#26596623)

That's not "an issue with some input devices". It's basically just a xbox360 controller or nothing. Microsoft decided that its new XInput libraries will only support "next gen" controllers. That is only the xbox360-like ones. Any PlayStation-like controllers simply won't work.

I'm mighty pissed because I bought my Thrustmaster 3-in-1 recently and absolutely love it. Tough luck, they say. And I'm stuck with the mouse&keyboard combo.

Damn you MS and your Games for Windows crap :/

Re:Gamepad issue. (0, Redundant)

powerspike (729889) | about 6 years ago | (#26596843)

Look on the bright side, Now you have a reason to swap to Linux or Mac OS and use their extensive gaming libraries for your entertainment purposes.

Re:Gamepad issue. (2, Insightful)

Fumus (1258966) | about 6 years ago | (#26596873)

Yeah. Switching back to linux and not being able to play a game I already bought is totally what I want.
When the next-gen consoles are released, I'll get one and then switch to linux on some subnotebook. Until then, I prefer windows because of the games.

Re:Gamepad issue. (1)

MikeBabcock (65886) | about 6 years ago | (#26599299)

I bit that bullet last gen -- PS3 and Linux everywhere else (well, Linux on the PS3 too). The PS3 cost me what my new video card for gaming would've cost, so it was really an excellent investment.

Now I've got a solid streaming HD media center without having to share those duties with my PC as well.

Re:Gamepad issue. (1)

daybot (911557) | about 6 years ago | (#26602077)

I bit that bullet last gen -- PS3 and Linux everywhere else...The PS3 cost me what my new video card for gaming would've cost...

I did PS3 / MacBook Pro, which was great two years ago when the PS3's GeForce 7800 architecture was fresh. It's still OK now, but some games, especially first person shooters, do make it tempting to buy a PC games machine which you can easily upgrade with the graphics card of your choice.

Re:Gamepad issue. (1)

MikeBabcock (65886) | more than 5 years ago | (#26639377)

I honestly don't play the same games on a console as I ever did on the PC. As far as shooters go, while I thoroughly enjoy them, I actually prefer them on a console. No, not for the gamepad but whether or not my competitor has a better PC than me shouldn't be a determining factor in what is ostensibly a game of skill.

That doesn't even begin to get into cheating of course.

Re:Gamepad issue. (1)

4D6963 (933028) | about 6 years ago | (#26599141)

Huh? I have a Logitech Cordless Rumblepad 2, which is very much a PS2-like controller, and it's officially supported and works great.

Regarding controls, the only thing botched up is the mouse control in vehicle cockpit mode, they got it very wrong.

Re:Gamepad issue. (1)

Fumus (1258966) | about 6 years ago | (#26599225)

Yes. It seems they just decided to support a few Logitech products, and that's it. WTF?
My pad worked out of the box on everything before. Now Microsoft decided that I need to buy an xbox controller in order to play PC games with a gamepad?
What's next? Supporting only Microsoft-branded mice with a maximum of three buttons and a scroller? (because that's essentially what they've done with xinput.)

Re:Gamepad issue. (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | about 6 years ago | (#26601927)

Why exactly do companies join this Games for Windows crap anyway, is there something in it for them? There's no platform royalties that could go down, there's no gatekeeper that could tell them they can't release their game there without the label, it's fucking ugly and seems to end mostly in compatibility issues and crap with the "Windows Live" service that doesn't seem to do anything either except charge money for some features (and I suspect the game developer won't see any of that money).

Re:Gamepad issue. (1)

anomnomnomymous (1321267) | about 6 years ago | (#26602709)

Yes, this is unbelievable.
I bought Mirror's Edge yesterday, only to come home and find out that my Logitech DualShock2 gamepad was not properly working: When you press forward, you walk backwards, and vice versa.

Writing on their forums/support, does not help me at all. The only solution is to use "Logitech Profiler", an application that allows you to bind key-presses to the gamepad... But I don't want a f*cking workaround; I want my gamepad to be supported out of the box!

I've decided I'm going to return this game; The only real message I can send to them not supporting one of the largest gamepad-suppliers out there.

I (and the rest of the forum) all think this isn't due to bad QA, but purely a way for Microsoft to get us to buy their shitty gamepad...

Really pissed me off: The game I bought before that was GTA IV... So I think I'll stick to playing my old games for some time in the future.

Re:Gamepad issue. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#26605151)

it means you can play against xbox live users..and for free now mite I add...

I like it...you load up an fps on your pc, then you totally kick ass against muppets using their control pads.

It still kills me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#26596767)

That our 'custom for the pc' gta iv experience they hyped about... Supports ONE controller. The xbox controller.

I mean, how stupid is that?

If you want us to have a console that bad rockstar, buy us all one.

I played thru 70% of the game and just lost intrest. I kept expecting it to get better but it never did.

Theres SO many things they totally fucked up this time around. SO many things that don't work as good as previous games. And it's pretty obvious that either they did NO qc for anything like a standard game pc. Or their testers should all be fired.

Either way it has all given me a feeling of 'meh' about gta. GTA was great, we had some fun, had some laughs. And then they fucked it up with IV.

I'd like my money back, but i know that wont happen. I'll just have to forget about buying from them anymore.

Re:It still kills me... (1)

philspear (1142299) | about 6 years ago | (#26600067)

That our 'custom for the pc' gta iv experience they hyped about... Supports ONE controller. The xbox controller.


I'd like my money back, but i know that wont happen. I'll just have to forget about buying from them anymore.

Right, because those developers who DO actually put games out on the PC need to be boycotted until they get it 100% right.

PC gamers often seem picky at a time when more and more games are bypassing their medium of choice. It wouldn't be right of me, but if I made a game and bothered making it available on the PC and read complaints like this, maybe after finding out the game was being pirated (or as is often the case, the game's flaws being used to justify the piracy itself), my temptation would be to say "Fine, fuck it, I'm not going to make anything for the PC anymore." And that would be that.

I should point out again that would be a stupid reaction, and I'm not saying accept flawed games, but I can empathize, and it's stupid to take offense to imperfect games as if they're an insult to you personally.

Re:It still kills me... (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | about 6 years ago | (#26601975)

They can cry about being the only big fish in that pond as long as they want, a broken product is a broken product no matter how rare products in that market are (though I'm getting the impression that the number of console games with PC versions is increasing a lot or maybe it's just PC games becoming console games and native console gaming dying out...).

Re:It still kills me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#26603643)

And the proper response to that is...

"fine, fuck you, you don't get any of my money"

Game companys need customers alot more than customers need game companys.

Isn't it a personal insult when the game line that you enjoyed for so long can no longer get things right that they once did? While costing more money, and space than ever before? And take away rights you once had. Like the right to sell your used game.

Re:It still kills me... (1)

FredFredrickson (1177871) | about 6 years ago | (#26607693)

I'm personally ashamed that I ever forked over money for GTA 1 and 2, which gave them the budget to launch GTA 3, which made them the success that they are now. They shouldn't forget where they came from- the PC gaming community.

does this fix HD3800 + HD4800 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#26597055)

ive herd GTA4 crashes wth these cards http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,669170/News/GTA_4_PC_Radeon_graphics_cards_cause_crashes_-_patch_en-route/, but i cant find anything to say that its been fixed for sure, i dont want to buy it to find out it doesnt work, and i dont want to pirate it to find out becasue 15GB is a little large for me

Re:does this fix HD3800 + HD4800 (1)

Elrond, Duke of URL (2657) | about 6 years ago | (#26597493)

I bought GTAIV from Steam when it was first released and I'm playing it on a very new PC (Core 2 Duo, 4GB RAM) with a Radeon HD4850 video card running Vista 64.

Despite the constant bitching here and elsewhere, the game actually runs well on my machine and looks nice. I turned off the PC-specific shadow feature for a small bump in fps. I did encounter a few minor bugs here and there, but overall there was nothing major and nothing that prevented me from playing the entire game.

I'm not doubting there are problems people are having, just saying that it is, in fact, possible to play and enjoy the game. The only caveat I should mention is that I happen to have purchased an Xbox360 controller for use on my PC. I actually bought it before GTA4 was released and before I knew it was the only one supported. I would have been far less pleased if I had been unable to play with a controller. My understanding, though, is that this is *supposed* to be fixed by a current or forthcoming patch.

GTA IV PC Swindle (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#26598855)

Rockstar is seriously up for a class action lawsuit for this piece of shit.

Patch it 100 times.... (1)

symbolic (11752) | about 6 years ago | (#26603033)

I won't buy it until I see a patch that removes, in entirety, *any* reliance on anything to do with SecurROM.

Ultimate patch for GTA is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#26603087)

The best patch for GTA IV is called XBOX. Go get one and forget your crappy PC boxes or devote those to shitty Excel files. Word.

Re:Ultimate patch for GTA is... (1)

brkello (642429) | about 6 years ago | (#26608749)

As soon as you give up your crappy consoles and play FPS's on the platform God ordained them to be played on: the PC. (I am kidding, I like both platforms...I don't understand people who have to belittle one or the other. Maybe they are too poor to afford both or something and are bitter, angry little people)


noobskillz (1461413) | about 6 years ago | (#26616081)

New patch resolved my crashing every 10-15 minutes problem, redoing the first missions over and over again is good recipe for insanity!

stupid stupid patch (1)

Polo (30659) | about 6 years ago | (#26618359)

I just have to mention this...

If you play gta iv offline, you have to download the patch, and it's in .rar format.

I am dumbfounded as to how this came about.

Windows cannot natively recognize or open a .rar format file.

What's even sillier is what happens next. "How do I open/install a .rar file?"

try googling "gta iv rar". These results do not mention winrar.


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