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Electronic Gaming Monthly Coming Back

Soulskill posted more than 5 years ago | from the back-from-the-dead dept.

The Media 45

skulluminati writes "It looks like the late, great, gaming mag EGM, which was canceled earlier this year by publisher Ziff-Davis, will now be making a comeback. Steve Harris, the founder of EGM, has acquired the trademark and publishing rights to the magazine. As a reader of EGM for 19 years (almost since the beginning) it is great to see the brutally honest, independent voice of the gaming community rise from the ashes."

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Advertisements (4, Informative)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 5 years ago | (#28149887)

I never had a subscription to EGM though I did borrow them from my friends and accept old copies to pour over as a kid. To me they were the first game magazine to really put an effort into the layout and design of the magazine ... and also use very high quality paper. This was reflected in the price and I recall having a subscription of PC Gamer (at $20/year) which paled in comparison.

The one problem I had with EGM was the ads. There were so many of them. I grew up on a farm where I read my magazines cover to cover and sometimes more than once. Although the ads in EGM were very well done and artsy (usually) they did get to be a bit much. Sometimes it felt like I had a three pound advertisement of glossy photos in my hands. EGM sometimes felt like my older sister's Vogue magazines: 90% ads because the consumer actually liked them. Now, PC Gamer was by far worse (I suspected most of the articles being written by a worker for the company of the product being reviewed) and I'm not even sure that's around anymore.

I kept every single one of my Popular Mechanics magazines. You will not find a single PC Gamer though or any of the old EGMs.

I appluad EGM and hope they make it back. I often enjoyed their lists and articles, I must admit I wouldn't have noticed if they had gone under aside from the Slashdot articles.

I also assume this means more ads since that model is getting harder and harder to sustain ... but at least they'll be nice looking ads and hopefully be kept out of the articles by a well defined line of self respect.

Free subscriptions (1)

LoverOfJoy (820058) | more than 5 years ago | (#28150001)

So when can I get a free subscription? Seriously, EGM seemed to be giving out free subscriptions left and right. I never paid for a single issue. That would probably explain the plethora of ads. That must have nearly been their sole source of income. I guess ad rates weren't able to keep them alive so hopefully they can find a better balance in the future.

On paper? Why? (1, Troll)

Animats (122034) | more than 5 years ago | (#28149893)

Someone is coming out with a new paper magazine on electronic gaming? Why? Who will subscribe?

Re:On paper? Why? (3, Informative)

wjh31 (1372867) | more than 5 years ago | (#28149935)

it's a much bigger deal if you drop your laptop when you are on the shitter

Re:On paper? Why? (1)

nausea_malvarma (1544887) | more than 5 years ago | (#28151811)

Really, how long does it take you people to take a dump? Takes me like 10 seconds. I don't have time to read a fucking magazine article! Can someone please explain the phenomenon of reading on the toilet?

Re:On paper? Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28153727)

Because for many people it is the only place that you can truly be left alone and have a little peace. Try to read at your desk and you've got people bothering you, calling your phone, sending IMs, etc. Try to read in the living room and you have people bothering you, talking, watching TV, etc. Try to read in bed and you have your girlfriend/wife/boyfriend/husband bothering you.

The toilet is solitude and peace.

Throne Reading (1)

dontPanik (1296779) | more than 5 years ago | (#28167081)

haha I feel the same way. It's never seemed pointful to me.

Re:On paper? Why? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28149967)

I read 95% of my entertainment on the throne. A paper version has many benefits over non-paper material in this situation.

Re:On paper? Why? (4, Funny)

pecosdave (536896) | more than 5 years ago | (#28150093)

But in the winter time, the electronic lap warming version may have an advantage of its own.

Re:On paper? Why? (2, Funny)

Chris Mattern (191822) | more than 5 years ago | (#28151219)

"Sir, I sit in the smallest room in my house with your insightful article on Starcraft II before me. Shortly, it will be behind me."

FileFront, EGM, and Ziff-Davis (1)

game kid (805301) | more than 5 years ago | (#28149991)

So Ziff Davis shuts down FileFront [slashdot.org] and is revived by its original owners [slashdot.org] ; now EGM is revived by its original publisher.

ZD also already filed for Chapter 11 last year [wikipedia.org] , so they've clearly got some big issues (no magazine pun intended) to deal with. Not that I'm crying for them or anything, but you should probably reject any offers they make you for "synergistic business strategies" lest they kick the bucket and take your site with it. :)

I said this... (1)

Schnoogs (1087081) | more than 5 years ago | (#28150045)

in another forum and I'll say it here. I don't think video gamers are big into magazines these days. Video gamers that want the sort of information found in EGM are the same people who embraced the WWW with open arms 10 years ago. The last magazine I bought was Next Generation and I stopped doing so 10 years ago when I figured out that all of the info in there and TONS more were already online.

I don't see this selling in large volumes and will only be a hit with people who are nostalgic.

Re:I said this... (0, Troll)

Mantrid (250133) | more than 5 years ago | (#28150091)

Have to have something to read while taking a dump!

Re:I said this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28150267)

Eat more fiber, and you won't have time to open a magazine, let alone read. It's actually pretty nice. I used to spend 3-5 minutes in there, huffing and puffing, straining and pushing pasty shit out of my anus. Obviously, that is an unpleasant experience. While an effortless 5 to 10 second poop is not pleasant exactly, it is far better than the alternative. Also, cleanup tends to be significantly easier. You may often find no evidence of feces around on your anus.

Re:I said this... (1)

Endo13 (1000782) | more than 5 years ago | (#28150437)

But I thought that's what FHM and Maxim were for.

Re:I said this... (1)

LoverOfJoy (820058) | more than 5 years ago | (#28150293)

It's true that it's a tough sell with all that's available on the internet. I think they'd do better if they had more of the things that are inconvenient to use from the internet. Maps. Smaller but graphical walk-through guides. Codes. Anything that I'd want while I'm playing games. I'd rather have a fold-out map from a magazine sitting next to me while playing a game than having a laptop to zoom in on and scroll to the side every once in a while.

The reviews are nice but if I'm looking to buy a game I'll most likely do a search on the net to get multiple reviews and possibly even purchase the game online while I'm at it. Give me more large images from within the game as well as some descriptions of some of the tougher scenarios that game offers and I'll be more likely to buy that game (and possibly even a strategy guide). Offer game companies a chance to give a multi-page ad that would be useful to gamers and they may actually go back to it and find some use out of it. I know I'd be more likely to buy a game with something like that than a one page splash ad or even a couple page "review".

You can charge the game companies more because they'll have a greater rate of return for what you have to offer. With reviews you have to make an effort to maintain some sense of impartiality. With a multi-page ad spotlighting the coolest or toughest parts of the game that offers a map or two and maybe occasionally some cheat codes gives more value to gamers and advertisers alike and you can charge both of them likewise.

Plenty of people don't want or need a full-fledged strategy guide for every game they buy. Having something that could be a slight assist but not a total spoiler for multiple games that you could pull out and lay on your lap while you play if needed is something I think there could be a real market for. A website has a hard time competing with that.

Re:I said this... (1)

BenoitRen (998927) | more than 5 years ago | (#28153781)

Not to mention that I've heard from many gamers that EGM lost its point many, many years ago. Most magazines nowadays are just sale pitches for games, full of reviews. UK magazines are better, with more features, but they still suffer from it.

The only good magazine remaining is Edge, because they're critical, put actual thought into their reviews and will destroy a game if it really sucks, advertising revenue be damned. Well, except when they review Nintendo games. They're less critical on them in general.

What's the point? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28150063)

Print is dead. They should save the effort and make a good website.

Re:What's the point? (4, Interesting)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 5 years ago | (#28150117)

Print is dead.

Oh, that's very fascinating to me. I read a lot myself. Some people think I'm too intellectual but I think it's a fabulous way to spend your spare time. I also play raquetball. Do you have any hobbies?

Re:What's the point? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28150195)

Hobbies? Well, I do like trolling. Oh, and it's racquetball, Mr. Intellectual. Just because print is dying, it doesn't mean people will stop reading.

Re:What's the point? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28150741)

Print is dead.

Oh, that's very fascinating to me. I read a lot myself. Some people think I'm too intellectual but I think it's a fabulous way to spend your spare time. I also play raquetball. Do you have any hobbies?

i also collect mold, spor

Re:What's the point? (1)

vadim_t (324782) | more than 5 years ago | (#28153631)

Print is dead != reading is dead.

I rarely read paper books anymore. I switched to reading from a screen instead. It's still reading.

Re:What's the point? (1)

Gulthek (12570) | more than 5 years ago | (#28153883)

I collect molds, spores, and fungus.

Not going to be a monthly (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28150069)

The new title will be:

Electronic Gaming Everytime A DNF Release Comes Out

I'm making a note here... (1)

jpedlow (1154099) | more than 5 years ago | (#28150073)

HUGE SUCCESS!! :D WOOOO EGM's return! Finally! I liked them, they tended to not show mercy to the weak, and didnt care as much about kissing the asses of their advertisers to artificially boost the ratings of their games if they were actually crap!

Continued subscriptions? (3, Interesting)

hansamurai (907719) | more than 5 years ago | (#28150131)

Will my original subscription which was supposed to run through the end of the year be continued? Or was it conveniently lost?

Re:Continued subscriptions? (1)

buttfscking (1515709) | more than 5 years ago | (#28150155)

I sure hope so! That's the first thing I thought when I saw this article.

Re:Continued subscriptions? (1)

Kethryvis (96137) | more than 4 years ago | (#28159713)

i would assume that since ZDM, who we all paid our subscription fees to, no longer owns EGM that our old subscriptions will NOT be honored.

Here's the deal. ZDM, six months after shuttering the magazine, still has not decided what to do for those of us who still hold subscriptions. i'm willing to bet they're not going to do ANYTHING, and instead are just hoping we'll all forget we paid them money so they can keep it. Eff that.

Call EGM customer service: 800-779-1174. Ask for a refund, they'll give you one. Don't yell at them; ZDM farms out their customer service so you'll only be yelling at some nice lady in Florida who really is just as frustrated as you are at the whole situation.

DO NOT go through the email form on ZDM's site, because it's all braindead idiots who don't read for anything except keywords. Long story short: i gave up and requested a refund via the email form. i informed them i wasn't sure what card was on my account but was pretty sure it had been canceled and therefore needed to a) find out what card was on the account and b) possibly give them new information. i was informed that my subscription was canceled and money refunded. Since i have seen nothing show up anywhere, that refund went to a canceled card originally held by WaMu. Yeah i won't be seeing that money ever again.

So don't email. Call. You'll get someone with at least half a clue instead of none at all.

What idiot came up with that idea? (2, Interesting)

nausea_malvarma (1544887) | more than 5 years ago | (#28150225)

Hey I got an idea - lets start a magazine in a decade where newspapers and magazines are losing readers, and sell it to a group already very immersed in our competition (the internet). Yeah! Let's charge for the same gaming news that websites offer for free. And where as they update every day, our magazine will be released once a month.Let's base our entire business on the difficulty of reading websites in the bathroom.

Re:What idiot came up with that idea? (3, Funny)

fat_mike (71855) | more than 5 years ago | (#28150471)

I paid for a EGM subscription and I'll pay for it again. I like not having to squint at someone's ridiculous font. I like turning pages. I like not having to "Next Page" through fifteen pages of website ad bullshit to read an article that wouldn't even take up one print page. If I'm sitting somewhere for less than 10 minutes I'd rather pull out a magazine than get my laptop out and mess with it.

I like large pictures, not the ones on websites that you can't see "What is that? Oh great, I can't enlarge the photo". I have disposable income. When I'm done with it I can roll it up and use it to start a fire in my nice brick fireplace, can you start a fire in your nice brick fireplace with a website?

I don't have to read comments, OH GOD I DON'T HAVE TO SORT THROUGH "FIRST!!!!, YOU SUCK, LINUX RULES, WINDOWS 7 IS THE BESTEST" or any other horseshit.

I can roll it up and swat my dog on the butt when he's bad. If I'm ever in a knife fight with some highly skilled assassin in Germany I can use it to defeat him. When I'm hot (like with this fucking laptop on my lap) I can use it to fan myself. When I'm cold, I can tear the pages out and stuff them in my clothes. Magazines make great temporary coasters, dustpans, non-sticking thing to breakup pot on, and in going with the above themes...toilet paper.

Re:What idiot came up with that idea? (1)

nausea_malvarma (1544887) | more than 5 years ago | (#28151317)

I don't suspect there are enough customers like you to sustain a print business model for EGM. The benefits you list, are few, and some are not even benefits (you don't HAVE to read the comments, and you can always change the fontsize in your browser). Ultimately the greatest benefit is price: Websites and Magazines are both loaded with ads, but websites tend to be free. Most people are willing to give up the tangibility of print for cost savings.

Re:What idiot came up with that idea? (1)

fat_mike (71855) | more than 5 years ago | (#28152251)

I was talking about print formats in general. And yes, I do believe there are enough people to sustain a business model but there aren't enough advertisers anymore.

The main problem is that there is a whole generation of people who are used to having things handed to them. They don't understand economics, they want everything for free and they whine and bitch a lot if they don't get it. Or mommy and daddy sue somebody.

Whatever, re-read my post. Think about all the things you use paper/print for. You really want to wipe your ass with a cloth and then throw that in the laundry basket and say, "Hey babe, laundry's ready."


I'm on board. (1)

tjstork (137384) | more than 5 years ago | (#28150453)

I'd like to see independent print for computer magazines, or really, any print. Print is special.

To answer those critics about why this or that media is failing, it is the content, not the media. Good content will succeed almost independently of the format that it is in.

Computer magazines were vibrant, personal and entertaining right up until big publishers like Ziff Davis and McGraw Hill started moving in and changing their formats. One has to wonder where Compute!, Creative Computing and BYTE would be if they had stayed focused on their hobbyist roots. But, the editors of thought that their existing readership would continue if they changed to be PC clone reviewers, rather than the more electronic tinkering types. No wonder all these magazines ultimately failed. Similarly, newspapers take a beating because they thought that, geez, all those old fuddy duddys that bought old fashioned newspapers and read them Sunday morning over coffee before church would keep renewing if they started printing that church sucked and coffee was evil.

Capitalism has evolved to a point where publishers can no longer treat their customers like commodities for which writers may be interchanged. You have to know your audience, have a relationship with it, share its values, and you have to serve it. Any media that does that it is successful, and anyone that doesn't fails.

Re:I'm on board. (1)

FunkSoulBrother (140893) | more than 5 years ago | (#28150509)

No kidding, I've never understood PC Magazine/World et al. If you're that big a computer nerd, you'll be building your own machine, and if you're not, is it really worth a $9 magazine to decide between a $899 Dell and a $879 Gateway with nearly identical guts? Just pick the one that looks nicer on your desk and get on with your life.

brutally honest? Not what I remember... (2, Informative)

solios (53048) | more than 5 years ago | (#28150491)

Where I grew up, there were four gaming mags readily available - Nintendo Power, Game Players, GamePro, and EGM.

At the time, Nintendo Power was low on ads and high on lengthy strategy articles and reviews (which were really just long form ads, but hey). GamePro seemed to be targeted at eight year olds, with more of an emphasis on the comic avatars of the editors than actual games, and they had a hefty dose of ads. GamePlayers had a pretty solid balance of gaming coverage and advertisements, and EGM...

What I remember of EGM is that it was thicker than the other mags, more than half advertisements (making Wired look like Readers Digest for ad density), and what content there was seemed to be made up almost entirely of screenshots. Oh, and a ridiculous over-emphasis on fighting and action games.

In the mid 90s, if you wanted the most bang for your buck, Nintendo Power was it. If you owned a non-Nintendo system, then Game Players was where it was at. The remaining contenders offered more ads and empty space than actual content, and were priced inversely - EGM had the highest price tag and boasted the thickest page count... but when you cut out all of the ads, all of the fluff, and boiled it down to actual gaming coverage, you came up several pages short of the content of Game Players or NP, and your wallet the lighter for it.

I don't miss EGM for the same reason I don't read Wired - the internet - even without adblock! - gives me a much more favorable Ads-to-Content ratio, with the added bonus of not paying five bucks for a two paragraph review and two pages of screenshots of the latest Final Fantasy that comes with twenty pages of Madden 09 strategy.

Re:brutally honest? Not what I remember... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28151585)

interesting points!

from what i can remember, nintendo power did have lengthy strategy articles and reviews, but these were all aimed at kids, and lets not forget, nintendo only coverage. it _was_ meant to be one giant advertisement for nintendo that worked out considerably well (source: Game Over, How Nintendo Conquered the World), with little to no objective reviews whatsoever, and of course no ads since nintendo financed the whole thing. in fact, i wouldnt even classify it as a gaming magazine, it was more of a strategy magazine/guide.

I agree with what you say about GamePro. And I never read Game Players so I cannot comment on it!

I read EGM the most, but never subscribed. Now that I think about it, there were a ton of advertisements. But I always enjoyed the content, layout, etc., and I always understood that advertisements were needed to support their magazine. I always thought the writing style was aimed not too low or high, but just right (for myself at least). And one of the editors, SeanBaby i think, was awesome (I still remember laughing over his list of 100 worst videogames). Also, in one issue, they included a list of videogame related websites and my website made that list (i think it was the FF10 issue, not sure), resulting in a ton of hits and exposure. So I guess I have sort of a soft spot for them.

But overall i think Next Generation (NextGen) magazine was the best one. It was aimed for the mature kids, and it always had the best covers by far. I wish I had read it more often. I cant believe you didnt include it in your comment, or was it not readily available where you lived?

Re:brutally honest? Not what I remember... (1)

The Archon V2.0 (782634) | more than 5 years ago | (#28151887)

GamePro seemed to be targeted at eight year olds, with more of an emphasis on the comic avatars of the editors than actual games

Ah, yes. I remember someone once commenting on that aspect of GamePro. It went something like 'We tried to get in contact with the writer to discuss (an error in an article) but it turns out that GamePro's switchboard only works by real name, and they provide no way of converting "Sister Sinister" or "Bro Buzz" to a real name. Rather convenient for them.'

When I was young, I read Compute's Gazette and Game Players. Now, the only ones I buy are Retro Gamer (seems appropriate) and Games magazine (because a pencil and a puzzle magazine are a lot easier to carry than a laptop while waiting for a bus).

Re:brutally honest? Not what I remember... (1)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | more than 5 years ago | (#28151979)

I managed to pick up EGM only starting in 93, so I don't know about its glory days. What I do remember though was that it was all fluff and little substance. The rumors section was occasionally ok, but couldn't make up for the rest of the crappyness. The magazine of choice for me starting in 95 (I think - I don't have the first magazine in front of me) was Next Generation. It also completely died with its first relaunch, but it was the closest thing I could find to a serious gaming magazine.

Re:brutally honest? Not what I remember... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28152849)

i read egm as a kid, as well as the other mags you listed (occasionally) i think you're about half right, it had a ton of ads it also had gaming guides for arcade games (anyone else remember arcades?) i took my full set of moves and fatalities to try out on the MK machines, and yes it had more full color glossy photos than anything else and a lot of them were leaked shots of soon-to-be released games. all of which you can find easier on the internet today, but at the time it was as much a turn on as the file cabinets of playboys in my dad's minibarn.

Re:brutally honest? Not what I remember... (2, Interesting)

CronoCloud (590650) | more than 5 years ago | (#28153993)

Oh, and a ridiculous over-emphasis on fighting and action games.

Hadoken! Finish Him! Yeah, SNES/Genesis era EGM was crap, if you weren't a fighting game player. Goddamned Sushi-X. I always added a point to any Sushi-X review of a game that wasn't a fighting game. the strategy sections were filled with SFIIfoo/MKfoo strategy. Ken VS Ryu, Ken Vs Chun Li, Ken Vs Vega, Ken Vs. whatever. Pages upon pages of move lists, fatality lists, Kombat Kodes.

And then there were the fighting game fanboys, writing letters upon letters about fighting games, submitting tons of SF/MK letter art: Ren and Stimpy as Ryu and E.Honda, Ren and Stimpy as Raiden and Sub-Zero, Bart and Lisa Simpson as Raiden and Mileena, Marge and Homer as Goro and Sheeva. tons of Guile doing his flash kick art, or Ken/Ryu tossing Fireballs.

And they couldn't just call them Fireballs, they had to start using the Japanese names (this was the beginning of American kids fascination with Japanese stuff) so it was all Hadoken and Tatsumaki senpyu kyakku, instead of Fireball and Hurricane kick. It became even more ridiculous with Toshinden with hugely long Japanese names for the moves in the move lists.

Thank god all that's over with.

Re:brutally honest? Not what I remember... (1)

genner (694963) | more than 5 years ago | (#28155991)

Thank god all that's over with.

Only if you want to ignore Street Fighter IV.

Re:brutally honest? Not what I remember... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28157649)

One thing that set EGM apart from the aforementioned magazines was the fact that they actually featured a little bit of international coverage. Of course, the rest of the magazine was definitely targeted towards young kids/teenagers, but the other magazines had practically no coverage of Japanese imports.

Re:brutally honest? Not what I remember... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28165561)

Seconded! Maybe its a US thing, but when I have bought US games magazines they seem to be a whole heap of ads with just a paragraph from each reviewer saying basically "this sucks" or "this rocks". If you can read the entire review in a few seconds in the book store its hardly worth buying it now is it? Of course back in the olden days magazines like "Compute" and "Ahoy!" had actual content in them so its not all magazines. And I loved "Zzap!64" and its ilk, and the modern "GamesTM" is quite good. But I would rather put up with the snooty attitude of Edge/Next Generation than read a bunch of adverts with a cusory "review".

Not worth it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#28155307)

Reviving EGM... why?

Around the time of the demise of the Dreamcast, the magazine has been of very poor quality with an emphasis on LIFESTYLE and CULTURE and less on the games and related content (previews, reviews, etc.)
And to add to what it used to me, throw in actual stratagies for games like GamePro used to do.

Opinions presented as fact (1)

magnusrex1280 (1075361) | more than 5 years ago | (#28156051)

I get some kind of sick pleasure when someone posts a phrase like "brutally honest, independant voice" or "it was the best platform game of that decade" as if it were something any right-minded person would agree with, and then read as other people disagree. There's something about a person stating an opinion as a fact that really irks me, and I enjoy reading arguments questioning the assumption.
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