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Police Swarm Bungie Office Over Halo Replica Rifle

Soulskill posted about 5 years ago | from the armed-and-nerdy dept.

It's funny.  Laugh. 746

sv_libertarian writes 'A panicked person in Kirkland, WA called local police on Wednesday, claiming they saw someone walking down the street with an AK-47. It was actually a Bungie employee carrying an overgrown model of a Halo sniper rifle, which resembles an AK-47 as much as a Volkswagen resembles a Formula 1 racer.' Halo 3: ODST is set to launch on September 22nd, and fans got some new details and early looks at the game during PAX.

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Ugh... (5, Funny)

404 Clue Not Found (763556) | about 5 years ago | (#29340375)

Fucking camper.

Re:Ugh... (1)

sopssa (1498795) | about 5 years ago | (#29340537)

"I told you NOT to mess on MY server!"

First post and all that... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29340379)

Yeh, what else... first post, blah blah... you get the idea.

AK47? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29340405)

Yeah that looks just like an AK47...

Re:AK47? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29340547)

Yeah, but realistically, how many people on the streets of Kirkland, Washington, have actually seen an AK-47?

Re:AK47? (1)

FictionPimp (712802) | about 5 years ago | (#29340709)

You can buy a AK-47 replica in almost any sporting goods store...

Re:AK47? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29340747)

and they're perfectly legal, so what about the panicked douche?

Re:AK47? (2, Informative)

FictionPimp (712802) | about 5 years ago | (#29340845)

Yea, I personally own a WASR-10. It's the lowest end possible semi auto AK-47 variant, but I love taking it out to the range. When I bought it at a gun show in indianapolis, IN. I had to walk it out without a case holding it in my hands 2 city blocks downtown to get to my car. Nobody called the police. In fact, my friend was carrying the other weapon I bought, a AR-15.

Or maybe the police were smart enough to realize there was a gun show in town.

Re:AK47? (4, Funny)

Chrisq (894406) | about 5 years ago | (#29340903)

Nobody called the police. In fact, my friend was carrying the other weapon I bought, a AR-15.

You're obviously a white guy

Re:AK47? (1)

WinterSolstice (223271) | about 5 years ago | (#29340919)

Depends on where you live.
Some states (Arizona, Vermont, Wyoming, Alaska) this is perfectly fine. These are open carry states where there is no issue with carrying unconcealed weapons of nearly any type.

California, gun show or not, this would likely get you shot. At the very least it will get you harassed.

Re:AK47? (3, Informative)

anagama (611277) | about 5 years ago | (#29340839)

While you can buy a replica at Big5, Kirkland is in Western Washington where any random person you meet is more likely to live a vegan lifestyle than own a firearm. In Eastern Washington, the guy with the replica would have been swarmed with requests for information regarding caliber, accuracy, and where to get one.

Re:AK47? (1)

kabloom (755503) | about 5 years ago | (#29340771)

Thanks to gun control laws, there aren't any AK-47s around to be seen, so why would you expect a layman to know what an AK-47 looks like and how to tell it apart from a fake Halo sniper rifle?

Bungie dials 911...Free Publicity... (4, Interesting)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | about 5 years ago | (#29340413)

Win!

Re:Bungie dials 911...Free Publicity... (1)

slashmatteo (1606315) | about 5 years ago | (#29340499)

I was just about to make the exact same comment ! I find this kind of twisted way to gain free publicity *really* annoying !

Ah, paranoia (4, Insightful)

DesScorp (410532) | about 5 years ago | (#29340419)

Maybe Congress can attempt to pass an "Assault Replica" bill.

I've never understood the logic of banning a gun because it looks scary. American "assault rifles" are semi-automatic. Pull the trigger, and one shot comes out. Politicians want to ban them because they look intimidating next to, say, a standard bolt-action Ruger 30.06. This is like banning a V-6 equipped Camaro because "it looks fast".

Re:Ah, paranoia (3, Informative)

nurb432 (527695) | about 5 years ago | (#29340505)

Don't joke, they have something similar to a 'replica ban' in the UK already.

The rational is not 'because its scary', its to make the bans rather vague in their coverage. You capture more weapons that way, with the general publics approval.

Re:Ah, paranoia (2, Insightful)

solevita (967690) | about 5 years ago | (#29340575)

I think the actual reason is to stop people holding up banks with replica guns; after all, if you're not planning to shoot anyone, you can hold up a bank with a replica just as well as with a real gun. No neither to worry about finding bullets or all that cleaning either.

Re:Ah, paranoia (3, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | about 5 years ago | (#29340785)

You go on believing that.. Its all about the disarming of America, little by little.

if they can stigmatize ownership enough people will be afraid to own.

Re:Ah, paranoia (1)

ndege (12658) | about 5 years ago | (#29340881)

Well, actually, a 'Gesture' can be a weapon in a robbery. Case in point, (sorry, I couldn't find a non-pay/subscribe news source for this one, but here is the page I got the following quote from): http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-5755384.html [highbeam.com]

The Utah Supreme Court has concluded that sticking up a store with one's finger in a pocket can constitute aggravated robbery if the victim truly believes the store is being held up with a dangerous weapon.

In two separate rulings issued Friday, the court ruled that using a "gesture" to indicate a concealed weapon that convinces a victim it is "likely to cause death or serious bodily injury" can be considered aggravated robbery.

In the rulings, the justices noted that ample case law supports that a "representation" of a dangerous weapon can constitute aggravated robbery, even if no real weapon was involved.

William Joseph Ireland had argued his actions did not deserve a five-to-life prison ...

Isn't it nice how it is the impression of the "victim" that can make another person rot in jail for an entire lifetime because they did something stupid with their finger. Even though no actual harm was caused?

Re:Ah, paranoia (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29340701)

Maybe Congress can attempt to pass an "Assault Replica" bill.

What, exactly, went wrong here?

If Bungie staff were holding a barbeque on the roof, and somebody dialed 911 because they saw the smoke coming off the roof, would this be newsworthy? The firetrucks would have pulled up, and the staffers would have been quickly told, "Um, please don't do that...you wasted the department's time and money." Nobody would be charged with anything.

Instead, you have the police responding to a call and saying, "Um, please don't do that" and leaving. This is exactly what should happen.

Besides isn't this the same police department that responded to the Aqua Teen Hunger Force stunt by saying, "Yeah, we found some Lite-Brites scattered around the city. We had Sanitation remove them.". They are certainly ahead of Boston PD in the rationality department.

Re:Ah, paranoia (1)

sjames (1099) | about 5 years ago | (#29340723)

The funny thing is that they ban all the wrong weapons. Pump action 12 gauge shotgun? Fine, no problem. Semi-auto .22 with a modified stock OMG!!! Assault weapon!!!

Funny thing:doesn't happen in gun-control country (2, Insightful)

Nicolas MONNET (4727) | about 5 years ago | (#29340945)

Well, with the exception of the UK (too far gone past 1984) this kind of shit doesn't happen in strictly gun-controlled western Europe, because seeing such a gun is so unlikely that most people will assume it's a toy or something.

Our pigs are just as fucktarded as the typical US donut muncher, but they have the luxury of not having to assume every jaywalker is going to start shooting. As a result, they still have to use their hands or not-100%-lethal flashballs to beat up journalists. Old school shit. Should they pull their guns, they would have to fill lots of forms afterwards, and that would considerably eat into their free time. So little time, so many pastis bottles to empty.

Anyway, I trust the 2nd amendment brigade will vote me down with thoughtful historical references to Hitler taking the guns of the Jews (that's exactly how WWII started) and Stalin denying conceal-carry to Sakkharov resulting in the Cuban missile crisis, but I thought you needed to be reminded of the cost of that particular hobby, err I mean "freedom."

The police are morons (3, Informative)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | about 5 years ago | (#29340421)

Washington is an open carry state.

http://opencarry.org/wa.html [opencarry.org]

Re:The police are morons (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | about 5 years ago | (#29340511)

>>>The police are morons

You could have just stopped there. In addition to this case, there was the Professor Gates case (violation of 4th amendment protections - no search without warrant/cause), the unconstitutional searches (and beatings) of citizens' cars within 200 miles of the Mexico border, and on-and-on-and-on.

We have youtube now, and people with handheld cameras. The truth is finally coming out about how cops routinely violate constitutional law.

Re:The police are morons (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29340819)

Yeah, you dumbass. The hidden microphone Officer Crowley was wearing, as well as the police car tapes were release which contradict everything you just said. When you stop believing lies, then we will talk.

Re:The police are morons (0, Troll)

P0ltergeist333 (1473899) | about 5 years ago | (#29340895)

Said the guy who obviously gets his information from Glenn Beck or some other nut-job.

The professor Gates case??? (1, Interesting)

zippthorne (748122) | about 5 years ago | (#29340899)

There were plenty of parties that "acted stupidly" in that case, but they were all the president's cronies. That's one of the few examples where the police weren't morons.

Unless you think that the idea that an officer should, upon deciding that the man he's speaking to really is the owner of a house that someone reported a possible break-in at, and which man is shouting at him to leave the house, leaves the f'ing house.

No, Gates, a Harvard Professor, who did, in fact, break into his own house* decides that the best course of action would be to get all indignant that the serfs in the police department would deign to check upon his well being. Of course, the fact that getting himself arrested would give the African Studies professor some kind of "street cred" if pulled off correctly never entered into this intellectual giant's mind.

*Actually owned by Harvard's Housing Dept. Which makes the whole thing triply dumb because he was apparently too lazy or impatient to call up housing to get an extra key and instead forced his way in, possibly causing damage to Harvard property.

I'm don't want to suggest that gates should be punished for his reprehensible behavior, but I'm sitting here wondering why Harvard is allowing their good name to continue to be tarnished by his ongoing employment as a professor

That's a terrible example. Especially when not two hours drive to the south the police are conducting raids and arresting women for stripping and prostitution despite neither of those activities being illegal in the state and particular circumstances.

Re:The police are morons (5, Insightful)

Rogerborg (306625) | about 5 years ago | (#29340623)

+1 Informative, -1 Angry Ranting Nerd.

Washington may be an open carry State, but are fully automatic firearms legal there? Are weapons with a caliber larger than .50 legal? Google before answering, and look at the size of the 'weapon' in question.

Under Washington law, it is an offence to open-carry with the intent to cause alarm. A bystander was alarmed enough to dial 911. It's up to an officer to determine whether that alarm was intentional.

So the police investigated, determined that no crime had been committed, and left some sensible advice. Advice, not orders. Seems about right to me.

Next time you hear about some scruffy looking guy dragging a massive gun down the street, and you choose to move towards that person, then you get to armchair quarterback police response to firearms calls. M'kay?

Re:The police are morons (1)

commodore_dude (693259) | about 5 years ago | (#29340705)

Yes, Washington is generally a Free State still. No NFA restrictions, no nonsense based on caliber. Not that it matters, because 99.99% of AK-pattern rifles in America are semi-automatic. The select-fire are few and far between, and are up there in price where you might be making a budget decision between a new car and one.

Re:The police are morons (0, Flamebait)

zoomshorts (137587) | about 5 years ago | (#29340715)

In many States, you can get a class 3 firearms permit. My State of
Texas is one of those. After passing a background check and taking the time
to fill out some forms, you can legally own a fully automatic weapon. You
pay a gun stamp tax, and can apply to sell them also.

This guy has the right to face his accusers in a court of law. He should
have gotten a lawyer and requested the idiot's identity who reported him.

It would cost a bit, but would educate the moron, and possibly more who
read about the trial.

Re:The police are morons (1)

Bigjeff5 (1143585) | about 5 years ago | (#29340791)

AK-47s as sold in the US are semi-automatic, not fully-automatic, and perfectly legal. Carrying the weapon around should yield no greater reaction from the police than someone carrying around a 1911 semi-auto pistol. The only reason it did is because some nut job was a'feared dat somebody gon git kilt cuz dat's a big-lookin gun!

Seriously, a complaint like that should have gotten a squad car sent out to see what's what, and if there is someone threatening people with a gun, call in backup and swarm the place. But swarming the place over a report of something that is legal, if suspicious, is ridiculous.

It could have been handled better, but of course, hindsight is always 20/20.

Re:The police are morons (3, Insightful)

schon (31600) | about 5 years ago | (#29340949)

Washington may be an open carry State, but are fully automatic firearms legal there?

An AK-47 is semi-auto, not full-auto, so your question is irrelevant.

Are weapons with a caliber larger than .50 legal?

Again, the AK-47 is *SMALLER*, so why are you asking?

Google before answering, and look at the size of the 'weapon' in question.

The police were called about an AK-47 - not a "big gun I don't know the name of", but (specifically) an AK-47. Seeing as the caller specifically said AK-47, the cop's response should have been "AK-47's are perfectly legal to carry in the open."

Re:The police are morons (0)

damaki (997243) | about 5 years ago | (#29340683)

Wouldn't such a gun, if it were real, be classified as a war weapon and therefore be forbidden?

Re:The police are morons (2, Informative)

FictionPimp (712802) | about 5 years ago | (#29340767)

No, anyone in the USA can own a AK-47 providing they are willing to pay the money to buy one, and pay the tax stamp.

Or they could just drop 450 bucks and buy a semi-auto version without the hassle. I have friends who own multiple fully automatic weapons. We take them to the range all the time. The guy in question doesn't even carry a pistol day to day. It's a hobby for us, like fly fishing or building muscle cars.

Re:The police are morons (2, Interesting)

Bigjeff5 (1143585) | about 5 years ago | (#29340833)

And it's frickin fun to shoot targets, sadly the AK-47 is not very accurrate. The AR-15 is though (civilian version of the m-4 military assault rifle), that gun is sweet, accurate and holds a lot of ammo.

"A panicked person in Kirkland, WA"... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29340425)

...was an idiot and should have paid more attention to the fact they were near Bungie Studios.

Sorry, has to be said. Probably the same kind of twit who reports 5 year olds playing with toy guns to the cops.

Re:"A panicked person in Kirkland, WA"... (1)

peragrin (659227) | about 5 years ago | (#29340775)

They probably have no idea what bungie studios does other than offer to take pictures of people bungie jumping.

Rule number one never assume someone else knows what you know. While I have been using bungie products for nearly 15 years my mother couldn't tell difference between them and rooster teeth productions.

Re:"A panicked person in Kirkland, WA"... (1)

hort_wort (1401963) | about 5 years ago | (#29340923)

Umm, if I saw a person walking into Bungie carrying a gun, one of the thoughts going through my head would be it was a disgruntled programmer going to resign with style. I'd definitely consider calling the police and having them contact the studio to make sure all was well.

When a 20 something person is going down the street carrying a huge gun, replica or not, they deserve to be badgered by police anyway. It's like a gun-nerd equivalent of streaking.

Perhaps not an AK47 (3, Insightful)

houghi (78078) | about 5 years ago | (#29340427)

But it looks very much like something real to me. Sure you can make fun of people not knowing it does not look like an AK47. I can also imagine that somebody who knows very little about riffles would say 'ak47' where he means 'looks like an assault wepon that is not like any standard hunting rifle'.

Re:Perhaps not an AK47 (1)

RabidMoose (746680) | about 5 years ago | (#29340463)

A point well taken, but there's a degree of normalcy shift you need to expect when you live around the corner from Bungie. At least the cops reacted appropriately, both to the initial information they were given, and to the actual situation once the facts came to light.

Re:Perhaps not an AK47 (1)

sopssa (1498795) | about 5 years ago | (#29340479)

A point well taken, but there's a degree of normalcy shift you need to expect when you live around the corner from Bungie.

Yeah, knowing you live around some game developer studio is more usual to normal people than knowing what AK-47 looks like.

Re:Perhaps not an AK47 (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about 5 years ago | (#29340861)

Maybe the person said AK-47 because they thought the police would be confused by "it looks like a BFG-9000".

Re:Perhaps not an AK47 (3, Insightful)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | about 5 years ago | (#29340495)

At least the cops reacted appropriately, both to the initial information they were given.....

Since Washington is an open carry state where it's legal to carry a firearm openly, how was their reaction appropriate?

Re:Perhaps not an AK47 (1)

91degrees (207121) | about 5 years ago | (#29340577)

It's a game studio, not a movie studio. It looks like an office. The workers look like any workers of any other tech company. The place will look fairly normal. They don't have a lot of props.

Re:Perhaps not an AK47 (1)

Captain Spam (66120) | about 5 years ago | (#29340595)

A point well taken, but there's a degree of normalcy shift you need to expect when you live around the corner from Bungie.

Er... because Bungie is the real-world game company analogue of ESPN's SportsCenter ads? Where you have Halo characters just walking the streets at random, always carrying around massive weapons and other props from Halo, and every cop on the street should have intricate, in-depth knowledge of the Halo series and all the weapons therein (as well as how they compare to similar-but-different weapons in the real world)?

I have this feeling that around Bungie's headquarters, it's pretty well the same as any other software office house. People walk in, work, and leave later in the day. I mean, I develop software for a printer company, and I don't walk in and out of work every day comedically nearly-mummified in tractor-fed printer paper.

Re:Perhaps not an AK47 (1)

cheekyboy (598084) | about 5 years ago | (#29340471)

lets have 1000000 people call up the cops and claim someone is making a nuke in the back yard.

stupid people wasting cops time should be fined, more so than, people speeding 3% above limits or downloading stupid songs made by filthy rich coke addict so called artists, yeah like its ok for them to smoke coke but not ok to download the music? stupid hypocrits the artists and the execs who prob smoke more coke.

Re:Perhaps not an AK47 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29340473)

Did you take a good look at the bottom picture? The one where he's holding that overgrown prop?

Re:Perhaps not an AK47 (1)

dunkelfalke (91624) | about 5 years ago | (#29340475)

Yes, but that thing has got the size of a WW2 antitank rifle. It dwarfs everything IzhMash has ever produced short of their aircraft cannon.

Re:Perhaps not an AK47 (1)

alexhard (778254) | about 5 years ago | (#29340497)

The rifle is about 3 meters long and it looks real to you? What the hell, man.

Re:Perhaps not an AK47 (1)

dunkelfalke (91624) | about 5 years ago | (#29340647)

As I already mentioned, there are rifles that large. Antitank rifles of WW2, or antimateriel rifles, as they are called nowadays.

Re:Perhaps not an AK47 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29340697)

Aaaand those would be useful on the street... how?

Some common sense before calling the cops.

Re:Perhaps not an AK47 (1)

dunkelfalke (91624) | about 5 years ago | (#29340871)

Oh, an AMR might come in handy when some rogue comet passes Earth and all sorts of lorries suddenly go crazy.

Re:Perhaps not an AK47 (1)

jgardia (985157) | about 5 years ago | (#29340657)

Well, in the fish and hunting museum in München they have a real rifle measuring more than 5 meters. I tihnk is from the mid XIX, and it was used to hunt from ships.
BTW, that one is not a cannon.

Re:Perhaps not an AK47 (1)

nurb432 (527695) | about 5 years ago | (#29340521)

So what? Its legal for me to own a semi-auto AK variant. Who cares if it doesn't look like a "hunting rifle"? These nosy people should shut their face, and leave the country.

Re:Perhaps not an AK47 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29340757)

I thought that, for the last eight years, it's been all of our duty to pay attention to people who looked out of place and had the potential to carry out random acts of violence.
Oh wait . . the guy in the picture is white.

Re:Perhaps not an AK47 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29340533)

But it looks very much like something real to me.

I thought that too, but then I saw this picture [gawker.com]

Re:Perhaps not an AK47 (1)

Joce640k (829181) | about 5 years ago | (#29340539)

C'mon .... *EVERYBODY* knows what an AK47 looks like, it's the most iconic gun ever. If you know the name "AK47" you know what it looks like. The person who made this call was just a dumbass.

Re:Perhaps not an AK47 (1)

Hizonner (38491) | about 5 years ago | (#29340823)

I know what an AK-47 is. I even know something about its general properties. It's a post-WW2 Russian design by a guy named Kalashnikov, and is sometimes called a "Kalashnikov". It was at one time a major Russian infantry weapon, and its popularity has a lot to do with the numbers of them the Russians left around various places as they bugged out. It's optimized for easy manufacturing, with lots of stamped parts and few machined ones (another reason for its popularity). It has a reputation for being very reliable but not especially accurate. Blah blah blah. These are things you need to know to keep up with current events.

I have no idea what the thing looks like, other than that it has a stock, a (relatively short assault-style) barrel, and a protruding magazine. I couldn't distinguish it from, say, an AR-15 without looking it up.

Sure, I've seen pictures of it, but I've seen pictures of lots of rifles. Not being particularly interested in guns, I don't really register their looks or keep track of which one is which.

OK, I just went and looked up a picture. Pretty generic looking. In fact, it looks a hell of a lot like that AR-15(which I also just looked up) if you just glance at it. Meh.

Re:Perhaps not an AK47 (1)

Bigjeff5 (1143585) | about 5 years ago | (#29340869)

And it looks nothing at all like the gun in question.

Re:Perhaps not an AK47 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29340831)

This all would sound funny if it weren't for the fact that we had a shoot out on one of our local freeway just last week.

Re:Perhaps not an AK47 (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | about 5 years ago | (#29340865)

This thing looks very real to me! I had to look twice. I'd call it a .50. A very badass weapon.

It's only normal that somebody called the cops on that. Although it should not be a problem to own replica weapons, in practice, there are problems.

Like the Nazi guy who stood in front of our school when I was younger, and shouted crap. We told him to "GTFO, you Nazi scum". So he came back. With a replica Panzerfaust. Blind ammunition from the military. And drunk like a hole.
They closed the school, and surrounded it with a massive amount of cops in SWAT-like gear. Nobody knew that it was fake. And imagine him forcing someone to get raped. It would not matter if it were a fake weapon. You would not fight it to find out, would you? ^^
He still had 0.4% alcohol in his blood, 3 hours after it.

Re:Perhaps not an AK47 (1)

Lonewolf666 (259450) | about 5 years ago | (#29340889)

One might mistake it for some uncommon .50 cal sniper rifle. Even for that it is too large, but close enough for a honest mix-up. But an AK 47?
If someone thinks he recognizes the model and then says "AK 47" he is a moron ;-)

Death of the 2nd (1)

sbrown123 (229895) | about 5 years ago | (#29340447)

God forbid someone in the U.S. is seen having a gun.

Re:Death of the 2nd (1)

nurb432 (527695) | about 5 years ago | (#29340481)

The media has been stigmatizing and programming the public for decades. Sounds like its working rather well.

Are rifles legal in that part of the country? if so, id be suing for harassment.

Re:Death of the 2nd (0)

HangingChad (677530) | about 5 years ago | (#29340827)

Oh, baloney. It's common sense. If I see someone walking around with a weapon like that, I'm calling 911. Let the cops figure out it's a replica or someone exercising their open carry right. That's what they get paid for.

And if you don't have the common sense to box something like that before walking around outside, then I don't feel a bit sorry for you if you get questioned by the police. And I'd expect the police to treat the gun as real and you as a potential threat. Use your f'ing head. No one can spot replica weapons from a distance, or divine that you're not some wingnut bent on starting the Glenn Beck Cuckoo Revolution or someone who just got laid off going over the edge. There are too many mass casualty incidents in this country involving guns to leave it to chance.

The way I see it, if you're being a pro-gun militant and get shot because you can't exercise a grain of common sense along with your 2nd Amendment rights, then as far as I'm concerned you died of stupidity.

Well, to be fair, (5, Informative)

Hawthorne01 (575586) | about 5 years ago | (#29340455)

...it doesn't look like an AK-47, but that's become the generic term for "semi-automatic rifle with detachable magazine", thanks in part to lazy reporters who don't know the 1st thing about firearms.

However, it does look like a whole lot like a Barrett .50 sniper rifle [wikipedia.org] , so even I'd wonder if it was the real deal or not.

Re:Well, to be fair, (2, Insightful)

Lorcas (1299955) | about 5 years ago | (#29340799)

It's becoming more and more troublesome to have people use general terms for stuff they don't know. Instead they learn one specific term and apply it to the whole field. In this case, AK-47 instead of gun or automatic rifle, or for computers where every part of it is a hard drive. This is beginning to annoy me.

Some people fear guns like they fear bugs (3, Insightful)

commodore64_love (1445365) | about 5 years ago | (#29340467)

their way to the local farmer's market called 911 saying that they thought they saw someone walking down the street with an AK-47

I've seen people get paralyzed because a black beetle crawled across the kitchen counter. I suspect many people have the same irrational fear of guns, therefore if you carry ANYTHING that even resembles a gun their first instinct is to call for help (aka "call 911"). It's a phobia which is NOT rational, and it's no wonder they irrationally identified a toygun as an AK-47.

>>>officers advised Bungie officials to transport the gun more discretely in the future.

No. Read the Constitution mister cop (you know, that thing you pledged to protect, but apparently never read). Carrying a flag, sign, or other item is considered "symbolic speech" according to the Supreme Court and therefore protected.

Re:Some people fear guns like they fear bugs (1)

mikael (484) | about 5 years ago | (#29340513)

I've seen get people freaked out over somebody extended the legs of a camera tripod [365rental.com] in the campus grounds. Goodness knows what kind of weapon they think it is.

Re:Some people fear guns like they fear bugs (5, Funny)

rarel (697734) | about 5 years ago | (#29340545)

Well you never know the tripod could start moving and shrieking Ulla Ulla Ulla and shit. I don't trust these bastards, never have never will.

Re:Some people fear guns like they fear bugs (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | about 5 years ago | (#29340629)

"think" is entirely the wrong word to use when speaking of phobias.

They aren't thinking. I recall when I first saw a guy holding a tripod and it did look like he was aiming a gun, but the rational part of my mind kicked-in and said, "Nah it's probably just a piece of equipment." People with phobias lack that ability to do the latter; their thinking turns off.

Re:Some people fear guns like they fear bugs (4, Insightful)

bcmm (768152) | about 5 years ago | (#29340627)

I've seen people get paralyzed because a black beetle crawled across the kitchen counter. I suspect many people have the same irrational fear of guns, [...] It's a phobia which is NOT rational

The thing that makes the beetle phobia irrational is that the beetle involved is harmless (well, technically I'm probably making an assumption about what part of the world you're from there). Whatever you think about gun control, you surely don't think they aren't dangerous. What exactly would you consider a rational phobia?

Re:Some people fear guns like they fear bugs (2, Informative)

SanguineV (1197225) | about 5 years ago | (#29340859)

rational phobia?

Phobias are unreasonable/irrational, that is what makes them a phobia.

Re:Some people fear guns like they fear bugs (1, Interesting)

Hawthorne01 (575586) | about 5 years ago | (#29340929)

Whatever you think about gun control, you surely don't think they aren't dangerous.

Actually, I know for a proven, unmistakable fact that guns by and of themselves are not dangerous. I have two loaded handguns in my house right now, and two small children as well. The guns are safely locked away and my kids know about the Three Rules [nrahq.org] .

A gun is fundamentally an inanimate object and has no will and purpose of it's own. Guns by and of themselves are not dangerous: Guns in the hands of people who use them carelessly or for illegal uses are dangerous. It always amazes me that people who would recoil in horror at the thought of judging a person by their colour or appearance have no problem judging the intent of an inanimate object by it's colour and appearance.

Re:Some people fear guns like they fear bugs (2, Funny)

pjt33 (739471) | about 5 years ago | (#29340649)

I would have thought it made sense to carry it less discretely. If they split it into several pieces then it will be more discreet.

Re:Some people fear guns like they fear bugs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29340655)

Also, about the suggested discrete transport, can't you just see that becoming a problem?

Re:Some people fear guns like they fear bugs (1)

j1mmy (43634) | about 5 years ago | (#29340769)

Symbolic speech is all well and good, but the trigger-happy cop who mistakes you for a rifle-toting terrorist is going to shoot first and ask questions later. There's no reason to put yourself at risk by openly carrying around something that resembles a weapon unless you intend to use it.

Re:Some people fear guns like they fear bugs (3, Insightful)

timholman (71886) | about 5 years ago | (#29340857)

>>officers advised Bungie officials to transport the gun more discretely in the future.

No. Read the Constitution mister cop (you know, that thing you pledged to protect, but apparently never read). Carrying a flag, sign, or other item is considered "symbolic speech" according to the Supreme Court and therefore protected.

There's such a thing as being right, and there's such a thing as being stupidly right.

Sure, I have the right to do lots of things. I can stand up in a PTA meeting and say: "I think we ought to reconsider if sexual relationships between students and teachers are really such a bad thing." I can walk up to a group of Hispanics and say: "I really think this country would be better off if you moved to Mexico." According to the Constitution if have the right to do it, but having that right, and dealing with the consequences of exercising that right, are two entirely different things.

Walking down a street carrying what looks like an assault weapon to the average guy on the street is just begging for trouble. Notice that the cop didn't say "Don't carry the replica." He said: "Be discreet. Don't cause people to panic." There is a big difference between the two.

When it comes to exercising and fighting for your rights, choose your battles intelligently. A mature adult chooses discretion and consideration when dealing with his fellow man, not meaningless confrontation just to prove a point.

Re:Some people fear guns like they fear bugs (4, Informative)

DragonWriter (970822) | about 5 years ago | (#29340877)

No. Read the Constitution mister cop (you know, that thing you pledged to protect, but apparently never read). Carrying a flag, sign, or other item is considered "symbolic speech" according to the Supreme Court and therefore protected.

Police are permitted to advise people that they would be generally better off doing things even when those things are not legally mandatory; of course, people are also free to ignore such advise, arouse suspicion in their neighbors, have the police called and have the police arrive to investigate. That something is Constitutionally protected doesn't mean it isn't suspicious to your neighbors, and it doesn't mean the police won't investigate when they get a report, and that both the report and the follow-up inquiry won't be perfectly legal.

Re:Some people fear guns like they fear bugs (1)

mapuche (41699) | about 5 years ago | (#29340931)

Considering from time to time a waco appears armored to the teeth inside a school or a fast food restaurant, I don't think it's irrational to have fear to big guns.

Older games weapons (4, Funny)

gmuslera (3436) | about 5 years ago | (#29340485)

If you go around with a replica of a BFG-9000, the name of the gun claimed would be probably more similar to the actual weapon name.

Barrett... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29340515)

It looks more like a Barrett M82A1

Re:Barrett... (1)

zoomshorts (137587) | about 5 years ago | (#29340887)

It does look like a lighter weight Barrett. Those puppies are heavy.

Panic? (1)

csueiras (1461139) | about 5 years ago | (#29340531)

The times we live on, everyone seems to be afraid of the guy next door. Can't we all just effin relax and not be paranoid? It is obvious that the person who called the cops was completely paranoid, AK-47? That thing is not even close to resemble an AK47.

But I definitely agree that these guys carrying the model should have covered it not to make people react like this guy. Hopefully it is a lesson learned.

My 2 cents

Risk Assessment (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29340563)

And while they called out the SWAT team for a replica gun, people shrug their shoulders at Labor Day traffic, which kills a lot more people than any shooting spree. Human beings are absolutely terrible at risk assessment.

It looks like a Dragunov. (1)

ex_ottoyuhr (607701) | about 5 years ago | (#29340567)

So give the Washingtonian this much credit, he at least caught on that it was Warsaw Pact, not NATO. :)

Re:It looks like a Dragunov. (1)

bgeer (543504) | about 5 years ago | (#29340611)

No it doesn't.

Re:It looks like a Dragunov. (1)

ex_ottoyuhr (607701) | about 5 years ago | (#29340615)

Well, more like a Dragunov than an AK-47...

Re:It looks like a Dragunov. (1)

NitroWolf (72977) | about 5 years ago | (#29340779)

No it doesn't. It looks nothing like one. If it looks like a real firearm, it looks like a supersized version of the already supersized Barrett .50 cal.

Still looks like a big-ass gun to me... (4, Insightful)

NoNeeeed (157503) | about 5 years ago | (#29340625)

Whether it resembles an AK47 or not, it still looks like a scary looking piece of kit to the untrained eye. I know nothing about guns, and while it looks comically oversized, I wouldn't automatically assume it was fake.

As a part-time theatre tech, I sometimes have to transport fake guns for shows, and I always do it discreetly. Just because I know they are fake, doesn't mean other people will, or indeed should know. It's not like people take classes on gun recognition at school. Unless you have an interest in such things, I don't see why you would know what different guns look like.

Reminds me of that girl who strolled into an airport with circuit-boards, wires and blinking lights attached to her jumper, and was surprised when security got rather twitchy. It might not have looked like a bomb to you and I, but to the average person bought up on a diet of Hollywood films, where the bombs always have sticky out wires and flashing lights (and beep, just to let you know they are there), it certainly looked suspicious.

At least in this case the police were a bit more calm and restrained once they figured out what was going on.

Re:Still looks like a big-ass gun to me... (5, Insightful)

iphayd (170761) | about 5 years ago | (#29340849)

Right, but in this instance the police acted appropriately... They were alerted to a potential threat, contained it, discovered it wasn't a threat at all and left. No charges were filed, and a suggestion was given that would result in a whole lot of police and Bungie staff not having their time wasted.

To the guy that said carrying the gun was political speech. Bullshit. In this instance, an employee was carrying a piece of equipment from point a to point b. That equipment just happened to be something that the general public took as a threat. The police suggested a way to alleviate time wasted in the future.

If they were to actually carry this item as political speech, it would be wise to alert the police that you are doing so _before_ you start marching around with a fake gun. Otherwise, you are _very_ likely to be looking down the barrel of a very real gun.

I'm with Bungie on this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29340643)

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/9/2009/09/572e98692fa347840615abb4a61a2455/original.jpg

As shown by this pic I found in the comments in TFA, you'd have to be pretty stupid to call it an AK47. If you don't know what it is, just say "ZOMG some guy is carrying a gun that is LARGER than him". I'm sure the cops would come, even if you didn't drop the A-word. That being said, if you see a short guy with a massive gun walking towards a game studio: most importantly, a studio that made a bunch of war (sci-fi or otherwise) games, maybe you shouldn't jump the gun.

Okay, so maybe this person didn't have internet, a TV, or children and therefore had never heard of/seen Halo, but even so, they shouldn't have immediately assumed the worst. Hell, the police should have said "It's perfectly legal to do that in our state". Although, I imagine they did say that and the person kept flipping out until the cops decided to answer it.

God forbid if this person opts to move to Hollywood. They may very well down several phone companies from how many panic-stricken calls they would make. Or on Halloween, even, imagine the horrors of people wielding fake (and real) chainsaws and various other weapons around children!

well, it makes sense (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about 5 years ago | (#29340659)

I would expect misidentification, as the kind of person who would freak out is more likely never to have seen an AK47 [wikipedia.org] before. The prop in question more resembled a Barrett .50 cal [wikipedia.org] , a much cooler weapon.

I saw the Police Chiefs son with a bazooka (0, Troll)

whoda (569082) | about 5 years ago | (#29340677)

The Kirkland police chiefs son was just walking down the street with a bazooka and went running into his garage when I saw him!!!!!

CALL SWAT! CALL 911!
RAID HIS HOME WITH NO WARRANT!!! Hurry!!

I'm a totally reliable witness!! Really I am.

Viral marketing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29340699)

Viral marketing in action here...

Well (1)

Dyinobal (1427207) | about 5 years ago | (#29340867)

The cops didn't respond with swat, like the title makes it sound like. They said it was just 5 cops, and they didn't even say if they just showed up and knocked or kicked open the doors with guns drawn. I'm not sure about everyone else but I think it's not the worst thing they could of done sending a few cops to investigate. It could of been that a disgruntled bungie employee got pissed and came to work with the intent to kill or some such, aka going postal. It doesn't sound like there was any series issues, no ciations were issues and all they did was ask bungie and it's employees to cover their large weapon replicas when transporting them. They don't have to cover them but it's a good suggestion if one wants to avoid inciting any sort of panicked police calls. On the bright side if any bungie employees were planning to take an AK and go postal, now would be a good time to do so.

Pass the pipe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 years ago | (#29340907)

Article says they saw it around 4:20 pm...

Now where have I seen that number before....

If it looks like a duck (1)

westlake (615356) | about 5 years ago | (#29340941)

It doesn't matter whether the geek thinks he recognizes a prop from the game.

It does matter that at a distance - or in shadow - the gun looks like a real - plausible - military grade weapon.

I doubt that even a SWAT team member can keep in its head every known variant design or customization.

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