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Court Returns Stolen Stargate MMO To Founder 128

An anonymous reader writes "A Maricopa County Superior Court judge has ended a bitter dispute over control of a Mesa video game company's assets, effectively giving the online combat game Stargate Resistance and the long-delayed MMORPG Stargate Worlds back to Cheyenne Mountain Entertainment. Fresh Start tried to remove all of Cheyenne Mountain's assets from its offices on Feb. 24, but was prevented from doing so when the police arrived. Networking cords had been cut and left to hang loose, and PC cases were empty shells that had been gutted of components such as hard drives. But time may finally have run out for Worlds, Cheyenne Mountain's signature project: The ruling comes as MGM Studios has apparently terminated the license it granted in 2006 for the Arizona company to produce video games based on the Stargate movies and TV shows."
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  • Damn... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Kokuyo ( 549451 ) on Wednesday November 10, 2010 @09:26AM (#34185174) Journal

    My friend will be very sad today.

  • They simply claimed that the gutted computers had all been upgraded to Vista. To the casual observer there is very little difference between an empty case and a computer running Vista.
  • At first I thought the court had returned a stolen Stargate, not a stolen Stargate *MMO*. Which would have been much bigger news, that's for sure.

    • It might have been a lawsuit about a real stargate and the control software for it, disguised as a game that will never finish.

      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        by delinear ( 991444 )
        Then whatever secret the government is hiding behind Duke Nukem Forever must be truly terrifying.
        • by Miseph ( 979059 )

          I'd say the secret is that DNF is the training program for employees of Xe (The Mercenary Company Formerly Known as Blackwater), focused as it is on wantonly brutalizing everything, engaging in wildly promiscuous and only theoretically consensual sexual conduct, using steroids to better smash opponents and generally being an epic-level asshole to everyone... but that would be much too obvious for a "secret".

    • At first I thought the court had returned a stolen Stargate, not a stolen Stargate *MMO*. Which would have been much bigger news, that's for sure.

      They must have set a transponder on it and beamed it up.

    • not really, who said it had to be functional, though movie/tv props can bring a lot at auctions.
    • Sci-Fi is worthy of historical landmarks or monuments. Too bad that Arizona gaming company couldn't do a big promotion, like putting a full-sized Stargate by the end of the London Bridge. Of course the remote wilderness of Lake Powell to the north feels ideal, as much like another planet as any place on Earth. A Stargate would look great out by Rainbow Bridge, an amazing natural arch.

      https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Lake_powell [wikimedia.org]

      Someone filthy rich should build a town somewhere with different

  • by commodore64_love ( 1445365 ) on Wednesday November 10, 2010 @09:49AM (#34185316) Journal

    Not sure what Fresh Start Software's motive was, but if it was to block development of a Stargate videogame, they achieved their goal.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Compholio ( 770966 )

      Not sure what Fresh Start Software's motive was, but if it was to block development of a Stargate videogame, they achieved their goal.

      If one of the quotes from TFA is to be believed then my hypothesis would be that they are offended by Stargate's treatment of religion:

      Whiting then expressed optimism that Dark Comet would end up returning Cheyenne Mountain’s assets to him. He compared his situation in the “hostile takeover” to that of Robert Downey Jr.’s Tony Stark in the first Iron

      • by digitig ( 1056110 ) on Wednesday November 10, 2010 @12:41PM (#34187318)

        If one of the quotes from TFA is to be believed then my hypothesis would be that they are offended by Stargate's treatment of religion:

        Whiting then expressed optimism that Dark Comet would end up returning Cheyenne Mountain’s assets to him. He compared his situation in the “hostile takeover” to that of Robert Downey Jr.’s Tony Stark in the first Iron Man movie, but said the motives for it were personal and even religious.

        In this field, that could be anything from which operating system they were using to which version of a storyline is canonical.

      • No. There were allegations about Mr. Whiting that were made when things were getting rancorous. He's probably referring to those. Even if they were true, the people working for Cheyenne and who went on to form Fresh Start had much better reasons to leave long ago.

        I know one engineer on the project who was a devote Christian and expressed some reservations about Stargate's idea of Ascension, but he acted sanely and left soon after they stopped paying him.

    • Stargate video game? No, no, no! It is a FARGATE!

    • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 10, 2010 @10:54AM (#34185888)
      I worked for the company that Cheyenne Mountain originally licensed the engine for Stargate Worlds from. It seems that the farcical idiocy in that company went from the bottom to top, anyone with a shred of intelligence was judged as a threat and hastily fired. Any communication with that company started with us being blamed for their basic inability to design, manage or implement a computer game and any advice they were given was ignored. They eventually switched to Unreal, but unsurprisingly, they screwed that up too and blamed others for that also. In my experience, the founder of such companies is usually responsible for creating such a unproductive culture and that Whiting guy's comments ("I’m the brains behind this company. I’m the creative guy behind this company.") seem to confirm the image I had of a man devoid of any leadership ability or situational awareness. I have worked with arrogant old idiots who are full of "great ideas" and manage to get investment to make a computer game without knowing the slightest thing about the structure of a project or the people needed to complete it. I applaud "Fresh Start" software in its quest to turn that crippled pony into glue, as liquidation is the best thing for it. If you knew anything about the state of the project, you will know exactly why they did it, probably the only way to get their paychecks from the last few months.
      • Re: (Score:1, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward

        I applaud "Fresh Start" software in its quest to turn that crippled pony into glue, as liquidation is the best thing for it. If you knew anything about the state of the project, you will know exactly why they did it, probably the only way to get their paychecks from the last few months.

        You can't take someone's property just because they were managing it incompetently.

    • by Cyberblah ( 140887 ) on Wednesday November 10, 2010 @01:43PM (#34188062) Homepage

      I was gone by then, but based on what I know of the people who started it, Fresh Start's goal was to continue supporting a game they believed in. While still at Cheyenne, they completed and released Resistance quickly under terrible circumstances (circumstances that I fled), only to be betrayed by Gary Whiting with a bankruptcy filing the instant they brought the company its first revenue ever. Then they managed to form a company to continue supporting the game. They kept the servers up and even released new maps and improved some of the graphics assets.

      This article is 100% Mr. Whiting's side of the story. While at Cheyenne I formed the opinion that he is a very shady individual, but I was pretty low on the totem pole, so I don't know what was really going on.

      What I know for sure, however, is that Resistance would never have come out without the people behind Fresh Start, and it probably would have been completely unsupported from the moment of release (possibly unplayable, with the servers down) without the formation of Fresh Start. So I'm going to give them a pretty fucking big benefit of the doubt.

      Oh, and based on the financial situation when I left, the people working for Fresh Start were probably getting paid next to nothing, if that much. So obviously "stealing" pays big time.

  • My first thought: What could the Founders possibly have to do with a Stargate?

    Then the parsing agent caught up. What a disappointment.

    • Actually it was never disclosed but I believe the ring around DS9 was...in fact...A stargate. Sisko just never had Daniel Jackson to identify the last chevron. That and they already had a bad taste in their mouth from the things that came out of that darned wormhole.

      • Re:Crossover (Score:5, Informative)

        by meerling ( 1487879 ) on Wednesday November 10, 2010 @01:18PM (#34187800)
        DS9 was based on an earlier script for Babylon 5. You can google the lawsuits but let's put it this way, Paramount lost the lawsuit so badly they had it sealed and were forced to show B5 trailers at Star Trek conventions. If you have any idea how anti anything not paramount those guys are, you know they got pounded flat by the judge.

        (The version of B5 they had their hands on even had a shapeshifting security officer... )
        • I'm a huge B5 fan and was solidly against DS9 for their blatant plagiarism back in the day, but I'm going to have to ask for serious citation about the lawsuit Paramount supposedly lost and had sealed (!?) and showing B5 trailers at Trek conventions.

          My memory is fuzzy after a decade so I've tried googling for this, but the closest I got was J. Michael Straczynski (B5's creator) quoted as declining to have Paramount sued, as it would draw too much attention and resources away from producing B5.

  • I mourn the loss (Score:5, Interesting)

    by erroneus ( 253617 ) on Wednesday November 10, 2010 @09:59AM (#34185398) Homepage

    Star Trek was awesome in its day. Some will say that it still is. But what it had was not just a vision of the future, but a hope for the future. Star Wars gave us a new way look at things as well, but I can't say that it offered much more than intense entertainment. Stargate sought to engage the mind by tying old mysteries with new ones creating a galaxy and even a universe of awe and wonder that continued to expand beyond limits that were not imagined previously. Very few other sci-fi themes contained the qualities contained within Star Trek, Star Wars, Battle Star Galactica, Firefly and others, but Stargate, while it did seem to run its course, maintained those qualities in intense amounts. Had greed, politics and myopia had not taken its destructive toll, the potential of Stargate could have set a new standard for the genre.

    I mourn the loss... but it was lost long ago. We're just seeing the aftermath of some really crappy people.

    • by g4b ( 956118 ) on Wednesday November 10, 2010 @10:37AM (#34185716) Homepage

      Very few other sci-fi themes contained the qualities contained within Star Trek, Star Wars, Babylon5, Firefly and others,

      fixed that for you.

      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        by Qbertino ( 265505 )

        Very few other sci-fi themes contained the qualities contained within Raumpatrouille, Star Trek, Star Wars, Babylon5, Firefly and others,

        fixed that for you

    • Yes, Star Trek brought to us a vision of the future wherein no matter where one roams in the universe, 1) Everybody looks human, 2) Everybody speaks perfect English, despite never having been contacted before by humans, and 3) Sex with alien species is considered perfectly natural. All I can say is... Ewwwwwwwww!
      • by name_already_taken ( 540581 ) on Wednesday November 10, 2010 @11:22AM (#34186214)

        Yes, Star Trek brought to us a vision of the future wherein no matter where one roams in the universe, 1) Everybody looks human, 2) Everybody speaks perfect English, despite never having been contacted before by humans, and 3) Sex with alien species is considered perfectly natural. All I can say is... Ewwwwwwwww!

        Oh come on.

        To be fair, Star Wars, BattleStar Galactica, Firefly, Babylon 5, Dr. Who, Space: 1999, and a host of other shows all featured those characteristics.

        It's not because the shows' makers were unimaginative, it's because they are television shows.

        It's difficult to find actors who don't look like humans; audiences in the countries where these shows were produced mainly understand only English (there are no native Klingon speakers, no matter how many nerds learn the Klingon language); and sex keeps stupid people watching the show, helping the ratings. Ok, Dr. Who hasn't featured much, if any, sex, but that's because it was a BBC production aimed at families.

        • by novium ( 1680776 )
          Firefly didn't *have* any aliens, so none of those seem to apply, except 'everyone looking human'...because they were.
        • There was sex in Stargate? Heck, even Vala's pregnancy was through some manner of immaculate conception (Adria's birth was probably not a virgin birth, though).

          The closest thing would have been the original pilot (full frontal nudity), but the directors/producers never quite liked that scene and chopped it from the re-cut version.

          Data and Tasha Yar getting it on was far more blatant as far as 'sex' goes.

          • There was sex in Stargate?

            yea, basically everyone was getting it on..

            O'Neill and Sam were doing it since the first season

            Sam was naked in several episodes

            Rodney kept having sex fantasies about Sam

            Daniel kept falling in love with bush babes on nearly every planet

            Teal'c had a wife, left her then hooked up with Ishta

            Vala was trying to hump anything that moved

            On Atlantis Rodney was boinking Dr Keller

            Teyla got knocked up out of wedlock

            I think there was a lot of sex on Stargate...

            • what.. all of that is -sex- now?

              I think that means I had sex at least a dozen times today. I've also been exposed to others' acts of sex at least 500 times.

              I know SG-1 very well, and Atlantis somewhat, and although I find little flaw in the descriptions of the examples you propose.. they're just not examples of sex to me.

              So a person is pregnant. Yes, that (usually, see: Vala) implies sex was had. But I don't remember any of the characters referencing this act.. nevermind -showing- it.. which is what sex

              • Sex doesn't only mean intercourse. Sex is also simply sexual.

                • While I agree that sex isn't limited to intercourse, I disagree that anything 'sexual' is sex. One could argue that a character saying "you're looking GOOD in that dress" is a sexual come-on. But to then say there was sex in that show.. to me, that's absurd.

        • by ebuck ( 585470 )
          Dr. Who didn't have out-and-out sex, but name one of his assistants that wasn't "hot". To juxtapose, try to imagine Mrs. Marple being the Dr.'s sidekick.
          • Well, I can't speak for you, but K-9 doesn't do it for me.
          • by delinear ( 991444 ) on Wednesday November 10, 2010 @12:56PM (#34187536)

            Dr. Who didn't have out-and-out sex, but name one of his assistants that wasn't "hot". To juxtapose, try to imagine Mrs. Marple being the Dr.'s sidekick.

            I can think of one [wikipedia.org] - but then again I guess it's what "floats your boat".

          • There have been several companions that aren't even vaguely sexy (unless you've got strange tastes), and until the new series, the Doctor hadn't even kissed anyone. Probably the sexiest companion was Leela of the Sevateem. You could describe her as a very bright but primitive jungle jane in animal skin outfit with miniskirt. (Ok, not a really good description of her costume, but it's close enough.) It didn't even have bared midriff. By today's standards, it's rather freaking tame.

            Sex was something the old
        • I should also point out that Doctor Who doesn't fall under "everyone speaks English" - actually everyone/everything speaks their own language and the Doctor and his companions are able to comprehend them due to an aspect of the TARDIS [wikia.com]. Admittedly that's a huge deus ex machina to get around the issue, but at least they made the effort to explain it. I'd also say that, since it's return in 2005, it no longer falls foul of "Everyone looks human", although admittedly a fair few of the alien races are still huma
          • There are a few instances in the new series where aliens seem to either speak or write in English with no TARDIS present to translate.

      • Yes, Star Trek brought to us a vision of the future wherein no matter where one roams in the universe, 1) Everybody looks human, 2) Everybody speaks perfect English, despite never having been contacted before by humans, and 3) Sex with alien species is considered perfectly natural. All I can say is... Ewwwwwwwww!

        And Stargate (SG1 anyway) was different how?

        Trek:

        1)They sort of handwaved this with The Chase, but in most cases it was just hat/nose of the week.

        2)U.T., though that doesn't excuse it working right away.

        3)Why not?

        Stargate:

        1)Frankly panspermia seems more likely than humans evolving independently twice.

        2)No excuse at all, but it could be argued that subject races would probably speak the Goa'uld tongue.

        3)Most of the aliens are either non-humanoid or genderless so this doesn't really apply.

        They're

        • Re:I mourn the loss (Score:4, Interesting)

          by powerlord ( 28156 ) on Wednesday November 10, 2010 @02:53PM (#34188774) Journal

          Personally, the series that tried the "hardest" on aliens being alien was Farscape.

          Farscape:

          1) Bi-pedal humanoid seemed common, but a) the makeup for those bipedal humanoids sometimes got rather intense. b) they weren't always humanoid (Pilot for instance) and c) motivations weren't always similar (just 'cause it looked mostly "human" didn't mean it was, and vice-versa). (well, and d) explaining why the most human aliens DID look that way, and that was part of the plot ... but we had to wait for the movie to fill in the last season of story).

          2) They explained it away in Episode 1 (think Babel-Fish), and even came back to the idea a few times (with 'us' the audience seeing how things sounded "naturally").

          3) Sex is one thing, procreation is another.

          • Sex is one thing, procreation is another. Star trek had Human-Vulcan and Human-Klingon half-breeds. Even with a common origin, how many generations should it take before 2 isolated populations can no longer sucessfully interbreed?
      • 1) Explained in TNG that a single humanoid race had "seeded" the galaxy with its likeness IIRC.
        2) Universal translator, duh. Have you even seen the shows?
        3) Isn't that just racism (speciesism?) on your part? Since, as you have already observed, the aliens are almost all physiologically similar to humans.

      • You wonder why the aliens looked human and spoke English?
        Come on, think of the process:
        You go to the casting call, read for the part.....
        How many ugly non English speakers would make it past that?
        As for the sex, well, some aliens will do anything to get on stage.

    • by Ogive17 ( 691899 )
      Star Trek:TNG is still my favorite sci-fi series, I watch whenever I notice it's on BBCA or Syfy.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Stargate blew. All of its plots refer to ancient structures and cultures, saying "aliens did it". When one gets old and tired, they get out a new culture, and label it with "aliens did it," and move on, as if they've done something clever. And the things they refer to? They aren't "mysteries." We know who built the pyramids, and why, and when, and largely how.

      What it was was bland, generic scifi fit for mass consumption. It lacked the campy retro appeal of the original run of Star Trek, lacked the talented

      • by Kjella ( 173770 )

        Long story short, Stargate SG1 held longer than any singlø run of Star Trek. They eventually succumbed to their own inflation of the stakes, nothing external. After defeating "gods" there is very little left to achieve....

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by CAIMLAS ( 41445 )

      Had greed, politics and myopia had not taken its destructive toll, the potential of Stargate could have set a new standard for the genre.

      I can't speak to the "greed and greed", but Stargate did set a "new standard" for the genre, to some degree. The show ran for a decade with (mostly) the same cast throughout. They were able to sustain essentially the same format for that entire time, without degrading the quality too substantially, and introduce new content throughout.

      Granted, this only really works with episodic fiction, but they still managed to maintain a degree of continuity and character progression from season to season (and episode t

    • What I liked a lot about Stargate SG-1 (and really the whole franchise) is that it showed Earth growing from the pre-spaceflight era into a major power. Along the way, we even learned to cooperate among ourselves. The Stargate program became an international effort. It was a like a Roddenberry hope for the future... but with more action. :)

      In the very first episode, the Stargate is a forgotten relic under a tarp in a military facility... by the last episode Earth forces are fighting off alien demigods in sh

  • What a story... (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward

    First, I'd never heard of somebody so literally stealing intellectual property.

    Second, why is it that whenever I read of a flagrant disregard of the basic protocols of human interaction and the law, it seems to involve the phrase, "Maricopa County".

    Finally, "they left the network cords to hang" (spins up and Hulks out): "WHAT KIND OF A MAN LYNCHES AN ETHERNET CABLE!"

    • Second, why is it that whenever I read of a flagrant disregard of the basic protocols of human interaction and the law, it seems to involve the phrase, "Maricopa County".

      Maybe because the head lawman of that county, Sheriff Joe Arpaio, is himself a notorious criminal...

  • by corbettw ( 214229 ) on Wednesday November 10, 2010 @10:06AM (#34185458) Journal

    Breaking in, stealing components, gutting computers. Who's the CEO over? Joe Arpaio's little brother?

  • by Herkum01 ( 592704 ) on Wednesday November 10, 2010 @10:39AM (#34185736)

    They won a court decision and got something from someone else. Is there a limit on the number of characters in their keyboard? Is it too much trouble to even research the story to find out what is going on? It is like watching the last 5 minutes of "Iron Man" and going WTF? Who is the good guy, Stark because he won, or because he blows up stuff?

    This is why I hate to read the article, I am hoping some /. poster is going to do the work of posting the back history. The thing the "journalist" did not do.

    • by Saib0t ( 204692 )
      I'm with you there. I read the blurb here, then read the article, and I still can't figure out who did what to whom. Idiot journalists... If anyone cares to explain, that'd be much appreciated.
    • Re: (Score:1, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Have you read the linked articles? The whole affair is a clusterfuck of people, companies, real and intellectual property, law suits and whatnot. I dare you to make any sense of it!

      When I read the summary, I was like "Oh nice, a Stargate MMO, let's find out more about it and the story!". After having RTFA and another it linked to, I was like "WTF, I need a dozen organigrams and flowcharts just to keep up with what's going on! I don't even care anymore!"

      • Clusterfuck is a very good term for it. I knew some people who worked there and it was just insane. Towards the end employees went months without getting paid, some left for greener pastures which was complicated by the economic meltdown occurring at the time. Others kept grinding away on a project they had already put so many hours into, supported by savings or spouses employed elsewhere.

        Once again the Stargate IP continues to prove it's cursed.

      • Have you read the linked articles? The whole affair is a clusterfuck of people, companies, real and intellectual property, law suits and whatnot. I dare you to make any sense of it!

        Whereas it's a journalist's job to make sense of it. Not just say, here's a bunch of links, go knock yourself out, I'm off to the pub.

        • Don't be so outdated. Making sense of stories is the sort of antiquated stuff they did in the twentieth century.
    • Wow, yeah. Don't bother trying to hit the related stories links form the main article either. They're just as poorly written. I can't tell who did what ,when. As I now ( probably incorrectly ) understand, there was a company Cheyenne mountain that was developing a video game, they may have gone bankrupt. Other companies emerged from the dust out of former employees and inverters ( dark comet), Having access to Cheyenne studios, they just took stuff and the project itself for a small amount of money, with o
    • by Kagato ( 116051 ) on Wednesday November 10, 2010 @11:19AM (#34186172)

      From reading the linked articles it seems like Cheyenne Mountain Entertainment was in Chap 11. Then someone (maybe a group of investors?) illegally sold the assets of the company to the new gaming companies for $100,000. It appears the court said that action was illegal both in terms of procedure and perhaps value as well. The motives are where the real dirt is, and I suspect you're not going to get a straight answer on that until after all the lawsuits are settled.

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by sabt-pestnu ( 967671 )

        It's even stranger, in that Gary Whiting, had ANOTHER company, Garvick Properties, LLC that went bankrupt. Due to Whiting's shenanigans, "Cheyenne Mountain Games, Inc" (a subsidiary of "Cheyenne Mountain Entertainment, Inc") got dragged into the bankruptcy. As near as I can tell, that caused the subsidiary to go bankrupt too.

        Meanwhile, Tim Jensen, one time president of Cheyenne Mountain Entertainment got caught by the SEC trying to move assets between two OTHER companies he owned/controlled. He's the on

  • by gravis777 ( 123605 ) on Wednesday November 10, 2010 @11:02AM (#34185964)

    I was in the early alpha and beta testing of Worlds, as I had a friend at Cheyenne Mountain. It was the first MMO I actually liked. It was a little buggy, but the game was almost done when bankruptcy hit. This was complicated by some freeze being put on the accounts where, even though the money was there, they were not able to pay their employees. Shoot, the game was in Beta, there were just a few bugs to work out, the server farms were going online - the game was pretty much READY - and the inside word was that they were weeks (about two months) from going live. Quite sad what became of it.

    • After being featured in WarGames: The Dead Code, there's no way in hell I'd buy this game. Hint to developers: make sure if you sign a product placement deal, the movie won't suck shit.

    • Employee wages are a priority claim in a bankruptcy, second only to Secured claims. IANAL, but they could well have been cooking their books somewhat. Had I been an employee with them, I would have taken a sharp eye to the bankruptcy court. As a creditor, you'd have that right.

      OTOH, "two months from going live" might have been the same sort of readiness that Stargate: Resistance had, when it was shoved out the door bare weeks before bankruptcy was declared. IE "two months and holding".

      Glad, though, to k

  • I was really looking forward to trying out the Stargate MMO.
  • Though I'm not sure what a Changeling wants with an MMO anyway when they have half the galaxy to play with.

    Oh wait, wrong "Star" series...

  • Stargate MMO - Hah! (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Forget that old plagaristic Stargate MMO lame-ass-ity - Fringeworthy MMO FTW!!!

    It's coming bi'ches!!

    Seriously though a free MMO where Gates lead to new persistent server worlds - where user content servers are allowed - and could even contain parallel universes or lead back/forward in time - THAT is the future WoW Killer!

    (and hardcore role-players could opt-in to allowing characters to permanently die - and worlds permanently change - based on real player actions)

    I say - Make it So!

  • I would just like to see SG-1 or Atlantis back on air..

  • TFA uses 'it' so many times between 3 companies I have no idea what's going on. It sounds like a kindergarten argument over possession of a sandbox - where the sandbox is assets and IP.

  • Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward

    The cut network cords were simply where the server racks were removed. They weren't actually cut, just pulled out of punch down blocks. The reason for the apparent gutting was because the landlord was going to lock the company out of the building, so Dark Comet was trying to save as many assets before that happened. There wasn't enough space for all the computers, so the hard drives were taken to prevent the data from being misused by whomever the landlord brought in to sell off the equipment. Everythin

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