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195 comments

ok .. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34446212)

so does it run linux?

Re:ok .. (5, Informative)

xaoslaad (590527) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446230)

Hard to say; dark, blurry video, with no commentary other than the groans of some mouth breather. All I know for certain is he owns a PS3 and a lighter.

420 Muthafucka! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34446246)

Hard to say; dark, blurry video, with no commentary other than the groans of some mouth breather. All I know for certain is he owns a PS3 and a lighter.

A lighter is useful for SMOKING WEED! So at least he has something good goin on.

Mod parent informative (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34446264)

Unfortunately I just used my last mod point. Please mod up the parent comment, it sums up everything there is to say about that video.

Re:ok .. (2, Interesting)

SilenceBE (1439827) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446260)

Yeah Sony shouldn't had removed the "Other OS" option as those hacks are being mostly used for supporting linux on those systems. That is why the whole modchip industry exist, just to cater the linux needs of people.

It is a shame that Linux is being used as an alibi because (even If I was also mad that they removed linux support) we shouldn't be hypocrites why these hacks in the first place exist... . It even doesn't matter if a Sony product does support linux as the mantra on slashdot is that it is not done to use sony products0 But then again I was thinking the same thing about flash, although when its about the iPad we are pro flash. Pffff sometimes it is really difficult to follow the slashdot party line.

Re:ok .. (2)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446278)

So, the solution then is to not own any consoles? Seriously, Sony isn't any worse in this respect than Nintendo or MS is. At least Sony provided the Other OS option, which neither of the competition did.

I just wonder if this hack actually works, I remember trying the other ones previously, and they did not work as advertised. Followed the steps precisely and nothing. Wasn't the only one either.

Re:ok .. (1)

froggymana (1896008) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446390)

Nintendo doesn't put any (major) efforts towards stopping people from "Hacking" their systems. Look at the Wii, you can install the HomeBrew channel on every Version currently with at least two different options.

Re:ok .. (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446416)

Perhaps, but last I checked if you wanted to move games from one unit to a replacement unit you had to send it to Nintendo for them to do. The Wii is the most locked down of the consoles, that isn't particularly negated by them not spending as much effort at busting mods.

Re:ok .. You are an idiot (2)

DeadlyFoez (1371901) | more than 3 years ago | (#34447362)

You obviously don't know crap about the wii scene. The wii is the most open console right now. You can easily use a hombrew app like BlueDump to get whatever VC games you want onto an SD card in wad form. You can easily copy all of your saved games onto SD card. And hell, you can even use bushings betwiin app to convert a nand dump from one wii to be compatible on another and then EVERYTHING is there just the way you had it.

Re:ok .. (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 3 years ago | (#34447764)

I've not really tried console gaming in decades..and was looking at getting a PS3. I figured it would be a gooc choice in taht you get a decent bluray player, streaming netflix and games. I also read the networking games are free to play vs paying extra for xbox or Wii.

I'm also kind of interested in the hacking of it.

Can someone explain to me exactly what 'homebrew' is all about? Are people out there independently generating games for the units or is this just code words for being able to play copied games? What all can you do with one of these units, a Wii or a PS3 that has been jailbroken. Anyone have any good links to what all this can do for you?

Re:ok .. (1)

Khyber (864651) | more than 3 years ago | (#34447818)

Basically, once you have full access, you have the ability to do whatever you please on the machine.

From running copied games to running your own code or other peoples code.

Re:ok .. (2)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#34447966)

Can someone explain to me exactly what 'homebrew' is all about? Are people out there independently generating games for the units or is this just code words for being able to play copied games? What all can you do with one of these units, a Wii or a PS3 that has been jailbroken. Anyone have any good links to what all this can do for you?

No good links, but plenty of experience. I have The Homebrew Channel installed on my Wii and I modded my Xbox. Both platforms have original homebrew games, but they are few. Both platforms have tons of emulators, allowing you to play classic games. And both platforms have media players that permit you to use your console as... uh, a media player. In fact, mplayer has been repeatedly ported to the Wii. On the Xbox it's Xbox Media Center, which is now a cross-platform Win/Mac/Lin software, and it's fantastic.

The simple truth is that there's no way to use the console for arbitrary purposes without enabling people to play unauthorized copies. That's why we have the "substantial non-infringing use" metric, to determine if people are just using it for piracy or not. And indeed, the simple truth is that there are lots of people using it for purposes other than copyright infringement. You have a legal right to make backups. You don't have the legal right to remove their protection. You do have the right to modify the product they send you, and re-sell it even. You don't have the right to modify their code and send it without the product, though, and redistributing BIOS has gotten some modchip vendors in trouble now and again. These days nobody really makes that mistake.

Re:ok .. (5, Insightful)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446482)

Sony is worse for having shipped the console touting its ability to run Linux, then removing that option remotely. I'm not a huge fan of any of the consoles, but neither Microsoft nor Nintendo can match Sony in asshatness.

Re:ok .. (2)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446490)

Most people don't care, but I bought a PS3, in part to play with linux/cell development. That was an advantage it had over the wii or xbox. Had they not been a feature, I don't think I would have bought it.

Re:ok .. (2)

anomaly256 (1243020) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446878)

Same. But boy was I ever pissed off and dismayed when they locked down the RSX access and left us with a shitty HV-mitigated framebuffer too slow to play back media or do any realtime visualization of anything. Shiny red Ferrari with no wheels.

Re:ok .. (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 3 years ago | (#34447970)

That's exactly what they did on the PS2, and there was no good reason to believe that they would do anything different.

Re:ok .. (2)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#34447664)

So you are more happy with a company which advertises one thing then remotely changes it down the line? Would you be happy with owning a box set of DVDs only to find out that 2 years later they removed some of the episodes? Would you be happy with buying a computer then suddenly 2 years after you've had it the disk capacity goes down by 50 GB? With removing "OtherOS" Sony committed fraud, I much more strongly despise Sony for using fraudulent tactics than I do Microsoft or Nintendo which haven't resorted to such tactics. Also, the Wii is much, much, much more open than the PS3 or 360. Nintendo doesn't try to ban third-party controllers like Sony does, and doesn't kick you offline if it detects a "modified" console like Microsoft does. Yes, there is always that yearly update that it takes the homebrew guys a week to get around, but other than that it is the most open of the 3 consoles.

We should follow the example of Stephen Colbert (5, Insightful)

Hojima (1228978) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446318)

Why the hell is it called jail breaking when applying these modifications? It should have nothing to do with jail, and you're certainly not breaking it. I say, hence forth, we call it 'freedom upgrading'.

Re:We should follow the example of Stephen Colbert (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34446350)

I prefer to call it a 'Consumer's Rights Rebalancing'.

Re:We should follow the example of Stephen Colbert (0, Troll)

The End Of Days (1243248) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446374)

Call it "free entertainment" and try to be the littlest bit honest.

LOL homebrew. LOL backups.

Re:We should follow the example of Stephen Colbert (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446524)

I dont know about the PS3, I refuse to pay previously 2 car payments and now 1 for a 6 year old gimped pc, but on the PSP 80% of its usefulness came from home brew, cause shit, what else were you going to do with it and its maybe 6 decent games?

Re:We should follow the example of Stephen Colbert (1)

eclectro (227083) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446632)

Call it "free entertainment" and try to be the littlest bit honest.....LOL homebrew. LOL backups.

LOL at the army that has bought thousands of PS3s. [cnn.com]

Re:We should follow the example of Stephen Colbert (5, Insightful)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446730)

I don't care if it is 100% "free entertainment". It is, always has, and always will be about freedom, liberty, and their crucial components, privacy and anonymity.

The PS3 is merely one small battle. The poster that said "Consumer Rights Rebalancing" had it right. This is very much about consumer rights, however, it should be about a larger issue. Rights all Americans, and free human beings, should have in cyberspace. That war is being fought with people largely ignorant of the whole affair or how important it is.

Let's face it. It would be far easier if the situation were explained thusly:

Sony, for the consideration of $600, and service fees, offers the consumer a PS3 entertainment console. There will be a Sony representative physically in your home at all times. Sony will decide what games will function, and what will not, at Sony's direct discretion at all times. All media, All software, All content is the direct property of Sony and can be altered or withdrawn at any time. Any services or features that were present at the time of purchase are not guaranteed to be present in the future. Attempts to remove the Sony representative from your home, or distract him from his official duties, in any way, is against the law and you will be prosecuted to its full extent. Guilt before innocence will be assumed in all cases.

Now, if you were offered that deal, would you accept it? No? Then why is DRM and protection mechanisms designed to take away your ability to peacefully enjoy your property any more acceptable?

I will stipulate that 100% of PS3 owners will commit copyright infringement. It still does not justify that Sony representative being in your house and your inability to actually enjoy the rights of property ownership over property you actually paid for.

The ends do not justify the means here. That goes not just for Sony, but for every manufacturer and content distributor. Stay. The. Fuck. Out. Of. My. Home.

Re:We should follow the example of Stephen Colbert (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34447166)

Stay. The. Fuck. Out. Of. My. Home.

Perhaps you shouldn't even let them into your house in the first place? To make an analogy, if someone beats you up in your own home, that person is at fault, but you're a complete idiot if you actually let such a person enter your house. Instead of wasting your time and energy trying to change the person/company, maybe you should simply pursue more meaningful hobbies and let such jerks die off on their own? What, you can't find a nice open computer/person to have a relationship with? Um... ok I'll stop with the analogy now.

Re:We should follow the example of Stephen Colbert (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#34447616)

The problem is the government. Left in a free market, consumers and corporations will balance each other out to the benefit of the consumer. In a truly free market Sony can do whatever DRM scheme it wants and anyone can break it without any legal hurdles. The government is what is preventing this, thanks to tyrannical legislation such as the DMCA.

Re:We should follow the example of Stephen Colbert (0)

xero314 (722674) | more than 3 years ago | (#34447880)

Could you please provide verifiable real world examples of the free market working to the benefit of the consumer?

Re:We should follow the example of Stephen Colbert (2)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 3 years ago | (#34448290)

Lets see here, for one the computer market. Computers keep getting faster, cheaper, have more features, etc. based solely on consumer demand. A basic desktop no longer costs $1,000+, laptops can be found for $300 commonly, etc. Look at robotics, what was seen as a distant, science-fiction dream, having a robot sweep your floors, can now be purchased for only a few hundred dollars in the form of a Roomba and other-type devices. Then just look at the rest of the stuff we have that we never would have dreamed we would have had as children, mini-TVs in the backs of cars, the ability for your phone to play just about any game you played as a child or teenager, the ability to store an entire library on a card the size of a fingernail, the fact that your entire CD collection can be compressed into a tiny box with speakers, the ability to watch movies in -real- 3D that doesn't look messed up like with the old red/blue glasses, the fact that you can use video chat to talk to anyone, anywhere in the world and see them in pretty close to real time, what about the fact that you don't even need a paper map anymore you type in any address anywhere in the country and your GPS can give you pretty accurate directions of how to get there (they still need an "avoid the ghetto" option though), what about the fact that we no longer have to wait for film to develop, or even lug around a bulky camera, we can instead capture those moments and send them around the world with a cell phone, what about the fact that we've gone from blurry-barely-recognizable black and white TV to crystal-clear HDTV? Etc.


And to think that all of that is pretty much attainable for anyone living in the west. Yes, I know, not all of it was fully developed by corporations and some of the underlying technologies were developed by universities, but the fact still remains that they are only attainable at a low cost because of the (somewhat) free-market that we have. And yes, I know, some people would like everything to be free. Ever. And they'd just love it for everything to be sold for exactly what it costs, but the fact remains, we've gotten so much in the last few years from the free market, had those economic benefits not been there, our lives would be profoundly worse off.

Re:We should follow the example of Stephen Colbert (1)

Beelzebud (1361137) | more than 3 years ago | (#34448590)

You're ignoring the fact that the people who lobbied for the DMCA to be enshrined in law were companies like Sony!

They don't want a truly free market, because no one forces them to use DRM and yet they do it on their own. You can whine about "tyrannical" legislation, however you're blaming only part of the problem. I don't think companies like Sony were lobbying against the DMCA...

Re:We should follow the example of Stephen Colbert (1)

kirbysuperstar (1198939) | more than 3 years ago | (#34447618)

I was wondering where all my tin-foil went.

Re:We should follow the example of Stephen Colbert (1)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 3 years ago | (#34447778)

Yeah..... no.

Tin Foil is about a conspiracy. Usually, when you walk into your home and find all of it missing, it involves some dude talking about Aliens, copious amounts of alcohol, and an abused anus in hazily recollected experiences aboard "space craft".

I am just passionate about human rights and the Constitution, and what a truly free and advanced society needs to operate. I have not mentioned anything about V style reptilians in the government, crop circles, Area 51, or the triumvirate that was headed by the Colonel (with his wee beady eyes) putting chemicals in the 20 piece buckets that made you crave it fortnightly, you smart ass.

One does not need continuous supplies of tin foil to be against DRM and laws that prevent you from removing it. The idea of truly owning your equipment and doing with whatever you want is hardly a controversial idea. If that is worthy of Tin Foil, then our founding fathers must have had suits made out of it.

Re:We should follow the example of Stephen Colbert (2)

wmbetts (1306001) | more than 3 years ago | (#34447878)

I broke my wii for homebrew. Guess what I did. I made a simple game for my daughter. It had nothing to do with "free entertainment".

Re:We should follow the example of Stephen Colbert (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34448260)

I soft modded my Wii purely so I could watch DVDs after my DVD player broke. I've also downloaded some homebrew. I still bought all my games afterwards.

Re:We should follow the example of Stephen Colbert (2)

LordLucless (582312) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446504)

Because by default with these appliances, they treat you as an imprisoned criminal, restricting your freedom. The spin you're trying to put on it is already the basis of the original term.

Re:We should follow the example of Stephen Colbert (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34446684)

It was called a jailbreak on the iphone because it was said you were stuck in a chroot 'jail' because of the sandbox.

Re:We should follow the example of Stephen Colbert (1)

radicalpi (1407259) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446860)

Because, the people releasing these hacks go to jail, while Sony breaks their own console trying to stop it from happening. ;)

Re:We should follow the example of Stephen Colbert (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34446882)

I think it comes from the term "chroot jail".

Re:We should follow the example of Stephen Colbert (1)

MichaelKristopeit200 (1943246) | more than 3 years ago | (#34448480)

"we" don't call it jailbreaking.

the marketeers posting stories and manipulating the commenting system use the term "jailbreaking" to criminalize any act of undoing the work of a corporation done solely to prevent its customers from doing something they would otherwise want to do.

slashdot = stagnated.

Re:ok .. (-1, Troll)

cyber-vandal (148830) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446346)

That's because the only place Slashdot groupthink (or party line or whatever you want to call it) actually exists is in the minds of people who talk endlessly about it.

Re:ok .. (5, Interesting)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446426)

Do you have a better theory as to why the hacks only started about the time that Sony took that feature away? I know there was that one guy that claimed to have gained root. But he refused to actually release it and Sony reacted by taking away the Other OS feature and updating firmwares to fight the efforts.

It seems a bit much that it took this long for the first successful crack to appear and now they're coming out so quickly.

Re:ok .. (1)

itsenrique (846636) | more than 3 years ago | (#34447472)

If only I had mod points.. This is very true. Although most people who 'jailbreak' their PS3s these days are probably running 'backup' games this is appears to be the result of sony's own decisions.

Re:ok .. (5, Informative)

jx100 (453615) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446276)

Re:ok .. (4, Funny)

Khyber (864651) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446788)

Wait a second, we've got RSX access?

WTF why isn't this the bigger story instead of mine? Screw my story!

Re:ok .. (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446990)

that's awesome.

Re:ok .. (0)

zonker (1158) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446434)

Looks like he owns a Wii too. Nice big crack in the center of his screen he covered with electrical tape... Clear signs of someone playing without the wrist strap.

Re:ok .. (1)

CyberDragon777 (1573387) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446548)

It looks like the tape is his 1337 H4xx0r way of blacking out sensitive information.

Re:ok .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34447156)

yeah.. i wonder how many IPs on PSN out of the 6500ish IP range his is in.

Re:ok .. I have never been able to find the answer (1)

hawkingradiation (1526209) | more than 3 years ago | (#34447862)

So the playstation is capable of running Linux. My question is: what secret operating system has Sony preinstalled on the Playstation use to run all of its games? Did they build it from scratch? Was IBM involved because I never saw or heard about the kind of tools and emulator the operating system was originally designed on. Did they start from scratch on that too? It would take a lot of research and development to use the cell processor that is in the playstation. Anyone as curious as I am? I would have to think that it was based on an already existing operating system. Could it be Linux, Tron, any ideas?

Terrible video (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34446240)

Next time get a tripod, use manual focus if you have to and then after you shoot the video block out what you don't want people to see in a video editor.

PS take that Sony!

So who's writing the driver for this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34446282)

..Kinect's so last month.

http://www.emotiv.com/

2:40 minues of my life I'll never have back again (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34446286)

This video is terrible. Don't bother.

Re:2:40 minues of my life I'll never have back aga (3, Interesting)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446848)

It is pretty silly that he spends most of it wandering the menus for seemingly no reason. Could have easily shown everything that needed to be shown in like 30 seconds.

Re:2:40 minues of my life I'll never have back aga (4, Funny)

blankoboy (719577) | more than 3 years ago | (#34447272)

Are you kidding. I love listening to overweight guys breath heavily while playing one-handedly with their game controller with a completely out of focus shaky cam. 10/10!!

So what does Sony break next? (3, Interesting)

Sarusa (104047) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446298)

So I guess the real question now is what PS3 functionality Sony is going to cripple in the next forced upgrade to try to defeat this.

Re:So what does Sony break next? (2)

noidentity (188756) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446476)

You know, Sony could easily solve this once and for all by just stopping the CPUs. May have some side-effects, but they shouldn't be too bad, at least for Sony.

Re:So what does Sony break next? (0, Flamebait)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446506)

And yet the apologists will still give Sony a pass on this instead blaming the hackers for having "forced" Sony to do this. Blame the person pulling the trigger, not the person antagonizing him. If I tell somebody that I'm going to smack them if they don't stop whistling, and they continue to whistle, who is the person at fault?

Re:So what does Sony break next? (4, Insightful)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446602)

If I tell somebody that I'm going to smack them if they don't stop whistling, and they continue to whistle, who is the person at fault?

Scary analogy. Have you ever uttered the phrase "Why you make me hit you, baby?"

Re:So what does Sony break next? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34447346)

> Have you ever uttered the phrase "Why you make me hit you, baby?"

Only to your Mom.

Re:So what does Sony break next? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34446606)

You are.

Re:So what does Sony break next? (1)

theaceoffire (1053556) | more than 3 years ago | (#34447212)

"And yet the apologists will still give Sony a pass on this instead blaming the hackers for having "forced" Sony to do this."

O.o Well they didn't care when we ran emulators, or homebrew. It was when we had one guy bragging about copying $60 games and playing them (In a way that was easy for everyone else to do with a simple burned CD) that they got concerned. Am I supposed to pretend that he DIDN'T brag specifically about stealing the games, which is how console makers make up the loss in hardware costs?

"Blame the person pulling the trigger"

I thought you said DON'T blame the hacker?

"If I tell somebody that I'm going to smack them if they don't stop whistling, and they continue to whistle, who is the person at fault?"

You are. Just like how Sony kept disabling our hacks to gain hardware access, but we kept 'Whistling' till they scrapped the whole thing.

And you know what? If you bought the PS3 ONLY for homebrew and emulators and so forth, removing otherOS doesn't affect you. Only when you try to play the newest games, newest movies, or on their private network do they require that you keep your system updated.

Sorry, feel free to go back to sony bashing. I know how popular that particular bus is.

Re:So what does Sony break next? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34448538)

Welcome to Slashdot. We have quote tags.

Re:So what does Sony break next? (1)

Dahamma (304068) | more than 3 years ago | (#34447480)

The fact is Sony doesn't make money selling their hardware (they might make a bit now, but not enough to make up for their previous losses). They make money licensing and selling games.

Even with that, I think it's pretty obvious they had no problem with Linux and homebrew development, since they supported Linux on the PS3 for quite a while. It was only once pirates took advantage of it that they decided they had to lock it down. I guarantee you, if no one was copying and selling pirated games, this would never have happened - so yes, the hackers did cause it. Which does make me more pissed off at the pirates than it does at Sony - I think a better saying would be "your selfish actions ruined it for everyone."

Re:So what does Sony break next? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34448240)

The fact is Sony doesn't make money selling their hardware (they might make a bit now, but not enough to make up for their previous losses). They make money licensing and selling games.

Not our fault. Perhaps they need to learn how capitalism is suppose to work rather than unloading stuff at a loss and praying that they'll make money in the long run so long as they use the law and regulations (A non-free market situation) to protect their locked down device.

Keep in mind that I say this even with a non-jailbroken PSP that I enjoy plenty of gaming on with the stuff I bought for it. It really should be quite simple. If I want to play the games they're selling I should leave it alone. Fair enough, but if I want to do my own thing with it it's none of their fucking business what I do so long as I'm not downloading and playing commercial games I didn't buy on it.

If I ever dabble in homebrew stuff on the PSP, I'll get myself a second one and use it just for that purpose. It won't ever see a commercial game in it's umd drive - which would probably get some tape placed over it just to make sure it stays that way.

Re:So what does Sony break next? (1)

Dahamma (304068) | more than 3 years ago | (#34448322)

praying that they'll make money in the long run so long as they use the law and regulations (A non-free market situation) to protect their locked down device.

Did you RTFA? It wasn't about regulations, it was about (failed) engineering attempts to lock it down. Capitalism, and all that... they have been trying to solve their problem themselves.

As you said, normal users notice no difference. And to the hackers... to quote Airplane (RIP, Leslie!): "They bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into. I say, let 'em crash."

Re:So what does Sony break next? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34448198)

Introducing : The SONY brick! It's shiny! It sits under your new flat screen, and looks very cool alongside the other shiny black boxes! Upgrade now!
SONY doesn't deserve to be in an open market.

OH dear! (1, Redundant)

JavaBear (9872) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446302)

What essential function are Sony going to remove from the PS3 this time then?

Re:OH dear! (2)

click2005 (921437) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446398)

In a cost saving exercise Sony noticed that controllers had more buttons than needed. New controllers will only feature one directional button. To use it press the button and point the controller in the direction you want to move.

Interesting scorekeeping (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34446334)

Umm, didn't Sony evade hackers for several years until it's finally cracked now? How is that hackers 2 Sony 0?

Re:Interesting scorekeeping (2)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446442)

My guess is that because until that first serious attempt nobody had really bothered to try. It seems a bit suspicious that it's easier to defeat the protection now than it was initially.

The more likely explanation is that it nobody was really trying very hard previously, but now that Sony has taken away a lot of the initial functionality from the PS3 there's a lot more interest in putting the options back that the device was sold based on.

Re:Interesting scorekeeping (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 3 years ago | (#34447666)

It's probably a combination of that and the fact that it's easier to find holes once you've already got one. People can now look at a hacked PS3 (with the lower firmware) and examine it for other holes. Then they can try those new holes on the latest firmware.

Re:Interesting scorekeeping (2)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446532)

cause not that many people cared until sony started fucking around with its users, Its kind of like you buy a car with a decent stereo system in it, but one day GM just shows up and removes it while telling you to stick it up your ass

Re:Interesting scorekeeping (4, Insightful)

LrdDimwit (1133419) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446596)

Furthermore, how can you possibly call the score 2-0 for the hackers? Sony closed the first hole! If the hackers score a point when they poke a hole in Sony's defenses, shouldn't Sony score for closing said hole? And shouldn't Sony ALSO score points for preventing the holes from being found in the first place? A game where you can only ever tie your opponent is no fun, after all. Although I suppose that would be an interesting metaphor for the war they're waging now; you can never win, all you can hope to do is not lose.

Re:Interesting scorekeeping (1)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 3 years ago | (#34447758)

First hole? You mean the one where people paid $599 for something advertised as Linux-compatible, which turned out to be a bait-and-switch scam?

4 years (4, Funny)

gilbert644 (1515625) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446342)

It took 4 years to do this. I think Sony gets a few points for that.

Re:4 years (4, Insightful)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446546)

no one was really trying that hard for 3.5 of those 4 years, until they started removing features "just because"

sony's other current gen console has been gang rapped so many times they even removed the disc drive

Re:4 years (1)

gilbert644 (1515625) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446574)

I'm sorry but I find it doubtful that nobody was interested in modding the system purely to pirate games on it. There is a huge commercial market for that, especially in the developing world.

Re:4 years (5, Insightful)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 3 years ago | (#34447288)

well the developing world is not buying 600$ consoles are they? (which is what it cost up till last year)

Re:4 years (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34446558)

No, it took them that long to make people WANT to do it. This wasn't a problem until they removed the option to install linux. That just pissed off the wrong sort of people and/or created a huge challenge.

GPU Access? (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446406)

So does this jailbreak actually let Linux installed as OtherOS run apps that can call the RSX and read/write the RSX RAM?

Jailbreakable on a PS3 with firmware v2.2 or v2.41?

Re:GPU Access? (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446454)

If they've truly done that on v2.5, there's no particular reason why you'd want to use older firmwares. The only people I know of that run the older ones are the people that aren't wanting to give up the features that the newer versions remove.

Re:GPU Access? (1)

Khyber (864651) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446816)

No but another poster here posted a link that showed another option that allows RSX access and access to the locked-down reserve SPE.

Not confirmed (5, Interesting)

neokushan (932374) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446414)

This is largely unconfirmed and most likely fake - and I'll tell you why.

Check out the very end of the video, the "game" exits and a message is displayed in the top right corner. See that message? Retail consoles don't display that, but Debug/TEST consoles do. Any Debug unit can be upgraded to debug Firmware 3.50 and play all the homebrew out there.

Re:Not confirmed (1)

bcmm (768152) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446452)

Maybe they found a way to make a retail PS3 think it's a debug unit?

Re:Not confirmed (2)

neokushan (932374) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446478)

Technically, that's what the "jailbreak" actually does, but the retail firmware is different to the debug firmware. This is why you can "enable" a bunch of debug options in the VSH but they still don't work.

If the video is legitimate, the more likely scenario is that they've found a way to install the 3.5 debug firmware itself, rather than "jailbreak" anything. But if this was the case, the dongle probably wouldn't be needed (unless you need to "jailbreak" the retail PS3 to make it accept the debug firmware on boot).

I know someone was able to install debug firmware 2.3 onto his PS3, but I believe this was actually possible on retail PS3's that hadn't been upgraded past 2.3 anyway, then Sony started encrypting the debug firmware with a different key.

Re:Not confirmed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34446582)

WRONG! Debug firmwares DO NOT RUN HOMEBREW!

Re:Not confirmed (1)

neokushan (932374) | more than 3 years ago | (#34447010)

[citation needed]

Re:Not confirmed (3, Interesting)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446896)

I'm also suspicious of when he's scrolling through the system settings, and then raises the controller up in front of the camera. When he pulls the controller away, he's now in a different location. Anyone who uses debug/test stations knows there's several system settings in there that don't exist on retail units. It's almost like he's covering it up while he passes them.

Re:Not confirmed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34447034)

It is running debug firmware. When he is about to launch the ftp server you can see the install package option with a little star next to it. That option is only on debug firmware, the little star means its a debug function.

Pick any 5 year old at random (2)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446464)

out of a luddite village, hand them a 5 year old cell phone that can take video and they'll make a better video than that crap in 7.3 seconds.

YAY !! WE RULEZ!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34446572)

Jailbrake tHiS mOfO, mOfOz!!

Hahaha this reminds me of a comment earlier (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446724)

a comment that one of you made in a thread under an article about ubisoft and their psychopathic approach to drm, about how their ceo or somebody said that the time of game demos were long past and they didnt think that they were going to allow them anymore.

one of you said "as long as razor1911 has anything to say about it, we will have game demos'.

this hackers : 2 sony : 0 business seems exactly the same format.

wtf is with the quality (1)

rs1n (1867908) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446744)

You know, for someone with enough skills to "jailbreak" their PS3, you'd think they would also be savvy enough to operate a camera and produce a quality video. I guess my expectations are a tad too high.

Hackers 2, Sony 0 (1)

ceswiedler (165311) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446746)

Hackers 2, Sony 0

Sony is playing defense only. Of course they don't score any points. On the other hand, they've limited the Hackers team to two points in five years, which is pretty impressive actually.

Re:Hackers 2, Sony 0 (2)

Khyber (864651) | more than 3 years ago | (#34446834)

Sony never limited us, we just never gave a shit until they pissed us off.

Try more along the lines of 2:0 in under a year.

Re:Hackers 2, Sony 0 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34448394)

...Sony is playing defense only. Of course they don't score any points...

Sony hasn't "scored any points" for a long, long time.

They blew a fantastic chance to completely own the market for mp3 players. They had such a huge lead in the portable CD player market with their Walkman brand and failed to capitalize on it. Add to that the root-kit fiasco and it's easy to see that Sony brand just ain't what it used to be.

You have to be kidding me ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34446862)

Wait, so this person can jailbreak a PS3 ... but has no idea how to setup a camera stand or blur part of a video image? Don't know which was more annoying ... the breathing, the constant focusing, or the stupid block taped on the tv.

Damned Pirates!! (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 3 years ago | (#34447056)

Better get the world governments after them and shut this down! Start the smear campaign and DNS theft.

Re:Damned Pirates!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34448136)

Why won't PS3 hackers deny they raped and murdered a young girl in 1990?

Let me fix that for you... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34447496)

Hackers 2 - Sony 6.

Why ?

"It doesn't matter how they talk about you as long as they do talk about you".

Another free advertisement in the world of the geek (the #1 target).

PS3 FTW :-)

Re:Let me fix that for you... (1)

Khyber (864651) | more than 3 years ago | (#34447952)

Wait for that core advertisement to turn into a bloody bait-and-switch lawsuit.

Then we'll be seeing the score Hackers: 2 Sony: 6 The people : $BILLIONS.

You Yinsensitive clod? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#34447690)

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