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EA Defends Itself Against Thousands of Anti-Gay Letters

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the but-my-keyboard-only-has-26 dept.

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donniebaseball23 writes "Video game publisher Electronic Arts has not only had to defend itself against 'worst company in America' labels, but GamesIndustry International has revealed that EA's been receiving thousands of letters protesting the inclusion of same-sex relationship content in games like Mass Effect and Star Wars: The Old Republic. The campaign against EA appears to be led by Florida Family Association and the Family Research Council. The letters threaten to boycott purchase of EA games if the company won't remove the LGBT content, and many allege that EA was pressured by LGBT activists to include the content, which they say is forcing LGBT themes on children playing the games. 'This isn't about protecting children, it's about political harassment,' said Jeff Brown, VP of corporate communications."

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Well I say (5, Funny)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586303)

Soddom

Re:Well I say (5, Interesting)

nschubach (922175) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586319)

I can't help but to side with EA on this... if they want to boycott, fine.

Re:Well I say (5, Funny)

hpa (7948) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586369)

"Streisand effect" anyone?

Re:Well I say (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39586433)

"Streisand effect" anyone?

Whatever boosts sales.

Yoda says.... (5, Funny)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586575)

....Crossing light sabers, forbidden it is...!!

:)

Re:Yoda says.... (4, Funny)

butalearner (1235200) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586837)

I see your schwartz is as big as mine.

Re:Well I say (5, Insightful)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586481)

It might actually be even stranger than the normal Streisand-related backfiring; there's a theory [imgur.com] floating around that EA are actually deliberately exploiting the increased publicity of this to divert attention away from the fact that they're an utter bunch of assholes in many other ways. No idea whether it's true or not, but seemed worth mentioning.

Re:Well I say (5, Funny)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586585)

It might actually be even stranger than the normal Streisand-related backfiring; there's a theory [imgur.com] floating around that EA are actually deliberately exploiting the increased publicity of this to divert attention away from the fact that they're an utter bunch of assholes in many other ways. No idea whether it's true or not, but seemed worth mentioning.

yes its true, they are an utter bunch of assholes in many other ways.

Re:Well I say (2, Insightful)

adisakp (705706) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586715)

"Streisand effect" [wikipedia.org] anyone?

Naw... "Starbucks Effect" [towleroad.com] ... where anti-Gay protests causes your stocks to rise.

Supposedly Starbucks is doing so well that Microsoft and Apple want the Anti-Gay NOM Group to boycott them as well [huffingtonpost.com] </satire>.

Re:Well I say (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39586485)

Funny, I was already ignoring EA after seeing what an absolute mess they made of C&C 4. That's not a RTS, it's an overhead view deathmatch. It also had the most pathetic plot I'd seen in a long time.

Really, they should've made it in the full Scrin invasion, instead of handwaving that away in the Kane's Wrath bit of C&C 3.

Re:Well I say (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39586363)

Soddom

And I say, if you can't spell 'Sodom' correctly, you're a fucking idiot. Like more believers in the Fantastic Ghost God.

Re:Well I say (5, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586701)

For the most part the "Gay Agenda" is just to be treated like a normal citizen. Usually when people who have exposure to LGBT people realize this. And that they are not some evil group of people trying to stop us "Heteros" doing what we feel is natural to us. Actually by making them outcasts in society you force them to go to locations and socialize with people that are less desirable.
We Don't want you in our church. So they won't go to your church. Not going to church they will not be exposed to the other values that you find good.
Being exposed to a diverse set of people is usually a good thing, you are not shocked at everything that goes on. And the fact that you lived in backwater area with no exposure to your people won't change their ways just because you think it is wrong.

Re:Well I say (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39586789)

Well, to the protesters, I simply say, "Fuck you".

"...but, of course, only in a monogamous heterosexual relationship, because otherwise that would clearly be indecent."

oh (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39586315)

oh

So, why don't they... (-1)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586675)

...just put a switch to turn the gay stuff on/off.

Make it off by default, and anyone that wants it...can flip the switch, so to speak. That way you have a choice to be gay or not...

Anti-Gay? (-1, Troll)

3arwax (808691) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586357)

I believe homosexual acts are a sin. I believe homosexuality should not be promoted. I oppose gay marriage. Does this make me anti-gay? No way. Hate the sin and love the sinner. We are all children of God.

Re:Anti-Gay? (3, Insightful)

alendit (1454311) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586401)

Fuck you!

Re:Anti-Gay? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39586517)

Well said man. You're a masterful debater

Re:Anti-Gay? (5, Insightful)

An Ominous Coward (13324) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586417)

So: Being gay is wrong. Gays can't be open about their sexuality. Gays don't get the same rights as heterosexuals.

So yes, that absolutely does make you anti-gay.

Re:Anti-Gay? (-1, Troll)

wisnoskij (1206448) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586571)

I am not sure it is is true to say that homosexuals do not have the same rights. Because they are still considered human and given the exact same set of rights. For example they have the right to marry what ever woman they want.

Re:Anti-Gay? (4, Insightful)

Kenja (541830) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586601)

they have the right to marry what ever woman they want

So you're pro lesbian but anti male/male union? Odd, but not unprecedented.

Re:Anti-Gay? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39586751)

Odd, but not unprecedented.

Lesbians are hot!

Re:Anti-Gay? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39586429)

Does this make me anti-gay?

Yes.

Re:Anti-Gay? (4, Funny)

shippo (166521) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586431)

Aren't you a bit old to have an imaginary friend?

Re:Anti-Gay? (4, Insightful)

serviscope_minor (664417) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586463)

Does this make me anti-gay?

Yes:

I oppose gay marriage.

That's the problem. You don't want gay couples to have all the rights associated with marriage that married people have, like residency rights, visitation rights, and all the various tax benefits, such as estate tax, etc.

So yeah, pretty much by opposing gay marriage, you are acting to make life worse for gay people just because they are gay. Own it.

Re:Anti-Gay? (1)

GNious (953874) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586527)

Just curious, but if the poster would be working actively to remove these rights/advantages from all married couples, would that be better?

Eliminating privileges of marriage be better? (5, Insightful)

davidwr (791652) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586721)

Would eliminating privileges of marriage be better?

Well, it would be fairer.

Re:Anti-Gay? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39586651)

Does this make me anti-gay?

Yes:

I oppose gay marriage.

That's the problem. You don't want gay couples to have all the rights associated with marriage that married people have, like residency rights, visitation rights, and all the various tax benefits, such as estate tax, etc.

So yeah, pretty much by opposing gay marriage, you are acting to make life worse for gay people just because they are gay. Own it.

Being anti-gay marriage does not necessarily mean you are anti-gay. It depends on your motivation for anti-gay marriage AND your definition of marriage. Personally, I consider marriage a religious ceremony, if religions or religious people do not believe in gay marriage, fine. That said, I ABSOLUTELY believe that the rights and privileges that the government grants to heterosexual marriages must be made available, at all governmental levels, to same-sex couples. I defy anyone to provide me with any legal argument, with no religious aspect, to why same-sex couples should not be granted equal rights.

       

Re:Anti-Gay? (5, Insightful)

firex726 (1188453) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586499)

Except it's not being promoted aside from how the public has taken it upon itself to run with it.
You don;t have to pursue the homosexual options in the game, they are optional.

*On a more personal note, if you against gays having the same rights (marriage) as straights, you kind of are by definition anti-gay.
"I'm not a misogynistic I just think woman should be kept in the kitchen."
"I'm not racist I just think blacks should have stayed on the plantations."

If it was strictly a matter of theology I would agree it should be up to the church, but so long as the insurance companies cannot insure a domestic partner, nor the government grant tax benefits to domestic partners, nor hospitals allow visitation to domestic partners; then it is a federal mater and the church should have zero say.

Re:Anti-Gay? (0)

Darth Snowshoe (1434515) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586767)

This, time a hundred.

Re:Anti-Gay? (5, Informative)

OzPeter (195038) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586505)

I believe homosexual acts are a sin. I believe homosexuality should not be promoted. I oppose gay marriage.

Does this make me anti-gay? No way. Hate the sin and love the sinner. We are all children of God.

By denying gay people respect and what they want - yes you are anti-gay
 
BTW being gay is natural. If not then why did God create all those gay animals? See Biological Exuberance:Homosexuality and Natural Diversity [amazon.com] which lists the gay and bisexual nature of over 300 species as seen in the wild.

Re:Anti-Gay? (0, Troll)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586669)

BTW being gay is natural.

So is wanting to punch someone in the face when they do something to make you angry. Doesn't mean I have to actually punch people in the face.

Re:Anti-Gay? (4, Insightful)

minkowski76 (2611417) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586685)

Regardless of where you stand on homosexuality, citing nature's activities as defense of homosexuality is entirely illogical. Animals, within the context of their natural environs, commit a variety of acts humans would never even think to tolerate within civilization, so when you say "well, look, all the animals do it so it's immediately acceptable for humans to do it, too" you offer me, and everyone else, the unmitigated authority to condone pretty much anything.

Re:Anti-Gay? (1, Troll)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586523)

I am no child of your evil god. Your morality is corrupted by its vile and malevolent influence. Read the bible sometime and see the horrors that the god you worship with so much glee would inflict upon humanity if he actually existed. If you were not prejudiced and compromised by faith, you would note that your god represents a narcissistic sadistic psychopathic personality disorder on an ego-maniacal power trip.

Re:Anti-Gay? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39586729)

I suggest you do the same. Or pick up the book God Forsaken and open up you mind to opposing thought . On second thought, don't bother. Your post pretty much shows your mind is quite closed and not tolerant of opposing viewpoints.

to other /.'ers: The above comment was directed at nadaka's comment and not intended as a comment on the OP. For the most part, I don't care what EA does. And I sure as heck don't care about FRC. Their belief that non-heterosexuality can be created through popular culture is ridiculous.

Re:Anti-Gay? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39586567)

Did God Himself come down from heaven and personally tell you that homosexuality is wrong?

Or did you read about in a book that some other (fallable) humans told you was inspired by God?

Re:Anti-Gay? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39586569)

I do not agree with your beliefs, but honor your conviction in them. So, getting back on topic; Would you boycott a game because it allows the players to virtually sin? Or, is the type of sin relevant? Can you kill or steal in a game? If there are false gods, like in the Zelda series, is that OK?

I suppose there would be no games left to play if you avoided all virtual sin. And, please, boycott ALL games on Sundays.

Re:Anti-Gay? (0)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586589)

We are all children of God.

We are all sinners too. Satan awaits you too, my friend.

You do realize that only the Mormons got it right, don't you? Everyone of the rest of us...straight to hell, right beside Hitler.

Re:Anti-Gay? (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586611)

I wish I had mod points to counteract at least one of the "flamebait" mods you're probably going to get. Sad when an honest opinion gets modded down.

You might have added that gays' sins are no worse than yours or mine. We're all sinners. One needs to remove the plank from one's own eye before trying to remove the speck from his brother's. I'm completely against many of the so-called "Christian" preachers who encourage hatefulness; that's the opposite of what Jesus taught. Rather than encouraging their congregations to write letters, they should have simply discouraged them from buying the game.

And Jesus H. Christ, games with blood and gore and these people are complaining about there being gays in them? What the hell is wrong with these people, anyway?

Re:Anti-Gay? (5, Insightful)

thermostat42 (112272) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586629)

I believe homosexual acts are a sin.

Fine. Many people believe eating bacon is a sin.

I believe homosexuality should not be promoted.

Fine. I don't think boxing should be promoted. Doesn't seem to stop them.

I oppose gay marriage.

Here is where it is not-so fine. If you are actively trying to suppress two consensual adults from entering into a mutually beneficial contract because of their gender, you are anti-gay. Maybe you're ok with civil unions; that makes you less anti-gay and just deluded in believing that separate-but-equal will work this time.

Re:Anti-Gay? (2)

PPH (736903) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586631)

I believe homosexuality should not be promoted.

What do you mean by 'promoted'? Should heterosexuality be promoted? Out of context, probably neither should. But if you are going to portray hereto behavior, then it would be reasonable to expect about 10% LGBT activity as well. In keeping with the demographics of society. I'm not asking for a quota. But until your so-called homosexual behavior far exceeds 10%, I don't think there's any 'promoting' going on.

I believe homosexual acts are a sin.

Then don't perform them.

Re:Anti-Gay? (5, Informative)

Kenja (541830) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586677)

Your bible does not say homosexuality is a sin. It just says "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." I interpret that to be an endorsement of anal sex or cunnilingus. You cant lie with a man as you would with a woman, the holes dont line up. And of course that same section of the book says you are going to hell for eating shell fish, for wearing linen and cotton at the same time and for not stoning to death a disobedient daughter.

Re:Anti-Gay? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39586711)

I believe your bigoted narrow view of reality has no weight in the real world. Leave your hate at home and let people live in peace.

Re:Anti-Gay? (1)

Cito (1725214) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586727)

100% correct I'd say though I am anti-gay, but I don't give a shit what gays do in their personal life. I don't agree with it and wouldn't want it around me but otherwise they can get mud on their helmet all they want.

Re:Anti-Gay? (2)

robthebloke (1308483) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586747)

Does this make me anti-gay?

Yes, very much so.

We are all children of God.

No, we really are not.

Re:Anti-Gay? (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586775)

I have been very interested in the whole "God hates homosexuals, but not me personally" group.
Why do you believe this particular sin is worth your time and effort to fight. You, and a lot of other people with similar views, make a big deal about how God hates homosexuals but does he not also hate tattoos and even temporary skin markings (if you read a literal interpretation of the earliest bibles then it does not say "tattoos" but instead simply "markings", I believe) and 101 other things that no Christians care about?
If you (or others like you) really do have nothing personal against homosexuals then do you spend as much time protesting in front of tattoo parlours and kid face painting stands as you do for anti-gay stuff?

I would be very very interesting in any kind of a response to this (in case you do not want to do this in public: jonathonwisnoski at hotmail.com).

Re:Anti-Gay? (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586783)

Acknowledging that gay people exist is not promoting homoseuality.

The funny part is that I can reword all your points in some way towards your religion. And do you know what you'd call me? Anti-christian like a good little hypocrite.

"It's OK to be Takei" (5, Funny)

Picass0 (147474) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586795)

George Takei has offered up his name as an alternative to gay, so you can support Takei Marrage instead.

Ugh (5, Funny)

An Ominous Coward (13324) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586361)

Are these bastards really going to make me side with EA on something? I need a shower.

Re:Ugh (5, Insightful)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586555)

Don't think of it as siding with EA.
Think of it as siding with your neighbors, your friends, your co-workers, and your family members.

Re:Ugh (5, Funny)

Ironix (165274) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586719)

Want some company?

Blowhards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39586365)

These people only have a media outlet because we even listen to them. They might as well just burn these letters.

Conflicting (2)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586371)

Who is more evil here? I'm going to say the FFA and FRC, but I don't think they're evil enough to get me to buy an EA product just to spite them.

If this were any other company than EA (well also Ubisoft and Sony), I'd write them a kind letter and buy the product. I hope the normalization of homosexuality isn't impeded because no one is willing to defend EA.

I for one (5, Funny)

maroberts (15852) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586375)

Am, in the interests of balance, going to boycott EA games unless they have more lesbian content.

It's only fair after all.

Re:I for one (1)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586507)

I'm going to boycott them until they stop milking us for $60 every year for the same goddamned Madden game.

Defends itself, or its writing? (1, Troll)

Squiddie (1942230) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586405)

EA was criticized, not for including same sex relationships, which many games do, but for delivering it in such a stupid way that it was just jarring. It was also criticized because of its online pass scheme, the fact that it shuts down good devs, and because it routinely takes advantage of consumer trust to sell a sub-par product at premium prices. If anything, the gay community should be offended by how they were portrayed in the mass effect universe.

Forward the Gay Agenda! (0)

pwnyxpress (2597273) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586407)

Put in controls for 'Good Job' ass-smacks in Madden '13.

Walmart (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39586409)

Anyone who voted for EA over Walmart as the worst company has no idea what they are talking about.

Wait until they see Minecraft... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39586421)

All villagers are male, and they reproduce by kissing, and create baby male villagers... (for real)

(Of course I think the whole thing is silly... don't we have better things to worry about than what virtual characters do in the virtual world?)

Any Different? (1)

Aranykai (1053846) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586423)

If parents don't want their children exposed, they can chose to not let them play the game. However, I fail to see how the game is going to portray anything different than their peers in school. No, instead, these idiots want regulation and law to enforce their standards and ideals on others. Have some personal accountability.

In other news, its not like they force the LGBT encounters on you in the game. You pretty much have to consciously chose them.

Re:Any Different? (1)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586573)

No, instead, these idiots want regulation and law to enforce their standards and ideals on others. Have some personal accountability.

A threat of a boycott (which is what the letters are about) has nothing to do with regulation and laws.

Chose? Choose (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39586673)

Chose? Choose

umm, really? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39586425)

I don't think that Evangelicals are big market for these kind of games anyway. Another political stunt by the bigots on the extreme fringes.

Viewpoints aside... (1)

The Living Fractal (162153) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586427)

This is an easy enough fix for EA. Allow parents to 'turn off the gay' in Mass Effect if they want to.

Actually, strike that... I think EA should just ignore these morons.

Re:Viewpoints aside... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39586579)

I agree that they should just ignore 'em. Florida Family Association and Family Research Council are not exactly EA's core demographic here. It's like a vegan boycotting Tyson chicken.

Nice try EA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39586441)

Obviously a PR move, "hey stockholders, people don't hate us cause we're shitty, they just hate us cause we support gay rights!"

Homophobes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39586445)

Worse company because they have games that give you the option to engage in same sex marriage??? All this time guys were playing as female avatars to get together with guys was getting old. Now you can legitimately engage in a loving relationship between two males or two females.

EA was under fire years ago for horrible working conditions, where workers were putting in 60+ hours a week and in one case 80 hours! But I think EA loosened up a bit but I'm not surprised if this is still going on. Working for the game industry below upper management is very volatile because everbody is eager to work for a game company until they realise how much grueling hours they have to put in.

So, protect you from *yourself*?? (4, Interesting)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586447)

In those games, you actually have to ACTIVELY PURSUE gay relationships. So are these groups arguing that game makers have an obligation to stop good Christians from their *own* desire to pursue gay relationships? Because I'm pretty sure that eliminating the POSSIBILITY of gayness in a game is not going to make them all into good Christian heterosexuals, especially if they're *that* determined to pursue the gay endings.

sickening (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39586449)

Any place, game or person that condones homosexuality is going straight to hell.

Re:sickening (1)

ZeroSumHappiness (1710320) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586679)

Coincidentally, anyone who espouses such hate is headed there, too. Have fun with your new roommates!

EA doesn't have to defend itself. (2, Insightful)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586471)

It's not like the FRC are going to buy their software anyway.

Caving to the likes of the FRC is not going to get them anywhere and they should simply circular-file the letters, which are easy to spot because they are all identical. It's too bad that a lot of companies cave to tactics like this. Do they come out ahead after? Nope.

--
BMO

There is no same sex relationships in SWTOR (3, Informative)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586489)

It does not currently have them. There are some suggestive conversations between different characters but is as close as it gets. Top it off with how bad the in game romance story lines are and I serious doubt any self respecting gay person would want to see the Bioware developers take a stab at it.

I mean, the scripts used make the prequel love story between Anakin and Padme look downright Academy Award material.

Then toss in the fact it all is a computerized version of "Choose your own Adventure" and its painfully obvious you could choose to totally ignore that direction in any conversation.

The Legacy Patch (1.2) Is Due Shortly (1)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586769)

Sometime this month, the Legacy patch is landing and in there you'll be able to construct a family tree. Well, all my characters are dudes because I hate pretending to be a chick in a game and I hate when people flirt with me. So anyway a feature of this new patch is going to be that you can construct family trees with your characters and their children will inherit traits from the parents that they have learned. I'm guessing you can have two parents of the same sex. And, honestly, if you have two level 50 male characters and only those you're probably going to marry them to give the kid better learned traits (unless you can only inherit one trait). There's not a lot more details than that but I haven't seen information one way or the other if same sex marriage will be possible.

Attacked for "Avoidable Content" (1)

jmDev (2607337) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586537)

It doesn't make sense when they have to appeal to all gamers. And, the content is completely avoidable for those that don't want to see it. EA has the right to include something that is so accustomed in our society today anyway. You can boycott EA all you want, they will still sell just as many games.

I was only offended by (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39586549)

I was only offended by the way in which that content was incorporated. It seemed like it was just slapped into the game to please a specific group of gamers, without any thought as to how it would affect the story.

Example -- I was talking with James, and my lady-killer Shep (the one who romanced every woman in the previous games and was a complete douce to Kaidan at every possible moment.. up until I had him nuked) made a pass at him ...a guy... and he did it without user input. WTF? I don't have a problem with the pass being made, but I have a problem with it not being within my specific shepard's well-defined personality.

When I got to the end of the game, however, the sloppy story integration made total sense.

That's what they're angry about? (1)

jacklebot (620766) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586577)

Mass Effect 3 is a game with, according to the esrb, "Sexual content" and "Partial nudity" (butts, breasts off screen sex) and is of course rated M. The hell sort of "children" are playing that? According to folks like the FRC, children should be able to buy such a game, so what do they care? Of all the things in such a game to get angry about. One would think they would be requiring EA to take out the whole relationship thing as a whole due to the sex. Crap. I gave them an idea.

Haters gonna hate (5, Insightful)

benjfowler (239527) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586587)

Far too many religious people define themselves by what they hate, and measure their own worth by how much hatred they can stir up.

Personally, I'd like to see all these hateful "Family" outfits treated the same way as other hate mongers that are currently dealt with harshly by law, like neo-Nazis and Islamists.

SOE Did This Ten Years Ago in SWG (2)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586595)

Um, in Star Wars Galaxies ten years ago you could have same-sex marriage and inter-species marriage. Where was the outcry then?

You know with all the families that deal with neglect, abuse and other problems you'd think Florida Family Association and the Family Research Council would have other topics to tackle that are just a tiny bit more important than whether or not a parent is too shitty to talk to their child about homosexuality in media. For crying out loud, people, really?

You know, you have a right to be homophobic, I can't tell you how to raise your children. But don't fuck up my kid while you're at it. "Mommy, why was I able to marry my best friend in the SWTOR?" "Because some people are homosexuals and we believe that's wrong so don't ever do it in real life." There, was that so hard? Please let the rest of us move forward while your ignorance dies with you, okay?

Re:SOE Did This Ten Years Ago in SWG (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39586693)

There was no outcry because Star Wars Galaxies was shit and nobody played it.

Why the difference? (1)

tmosley (996283) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586613)

If they are angry on "think of the children" grounds, then shouldn't they be mad about the fact that the characters are having SEX, not just that the characters are the same sex?

But no way, that would be . . . hypocritical!

They should outsource the handling of this mail (1)

grasshoppa (657393) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586625)

I'll be happy to lend a hand in responding to some of them. I have an innate ability to respond in a way that is completely rational, yet drives the religious nuts up the walls at the same time.

I consider it my super power.

They are protesting against Origin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39586637)

Which they feel is equivalent to sticking something up your ass.

Not that theres anything wrong with that.

Whats the rating? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39586649)

Whats the rating on ME3?
If its 16 or 18+ can you really say its still corrupting children?

And those "family" people that would say that children are still going to play it, its their task to stop that, no?

Don't like it, don't buy it (2)

davidwr (791652) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586653)

Games are a luxury item, not a necessity.

If you don't like it, don't buy it.

If you want to pressure a company, organize a boycott. But do so based on facts and your well-documented position, not on innuendo and supposition.

In the free market, money talks. If enough would-be customers agree with you, the company's stockholders will get the message. If the company's customers pretty much ignore you, then oh well.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt... (1)

MadCow42 (243108) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586699)

Isn't the figure that 1 in 10 people is LGBorT? Including LGBT content won't "turn kids gay"... you either are or aren't. What it does do is accept the reality of our world, and provide acceptance for people that might otherwise still live horridly stressful closeted lives.

It's simple... if you don't agree with homosexuality, then simply DON'T shtoop people of the same sex as you! Denying that LGBT people exist and are part of our culture/norm isn't going to change facts.

Weight of issues (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39586725)

If "children" playing this game are mature enough to cope with the issues of conventional warfare, genetic warfare, genocide, robot races turning on their creators, intentional extinguishing of all other life by a super race, gang warfare, racism (specism), people being abducted and digested alive into raw materials, and terrorism throughout the Mass Effect games, they're probably mature enough to cope with a dude having an intimate relationship with another dude. (Or chick/chick. But I suspect that's the far smaller part of the complaint.)

Get out of my face (1)

WaffleMonster (969671) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586759)

Get your politics and public issues out of my video games. I just want to blow shit up not be grossed out by dudes going at it.

EA's Response (in a perfect world) (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586763)

"We refer you to the response given in Arkell v Pressdram."

It's here to stay (1)

fluffythedestroyer (2586259) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586765)

gay characters, situations and stories have been in games and stories for a long time and it's here to stay for a long time too. so in other words, even if you don't like, deal with it cause it's here to stay

Misdirection (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39586779)

The LGBT controversy is EA trying to misdirect the rage.
This is not proof, just a visual representation of my point: http://i.imgur.com/UmLsc.jpg

They are not the worst company because of LGBT content in a game, they are the worst company because of their draconian DRM, their theft of money from paying customers, and their ineffective customer service. If the stock market understands that this is a company trend, their stock will plummet. However, if they can convince the stock market that the ranking is due to a short-term LGBT controversy, their stock price will only take a minor hit.

Male and female mating (-1)

davidwr (791652) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586785)

The various plugs, cables, and ports on my game console have male and female ends.

It's no coincidence that the male part and female part mate up much better than male-male or female-female connections.

Tolerance (1)

concealment (2447304) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586807)

Chill out and accept everyone, including those who don't tolerate you.

Boo hoo! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39586819)

I don't like what's in my video game. Waaaaah!

What a bunch of fags.

Don't buy the EA propaganda (5, Insightful)

SoTerrified (660807) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586821)

I have it on good authority (No, I can't reveal my source) that this is EA responding to being voted the worst company of 2012 [consumerist.com] by Consumerist.com. The higher-ups are worried about the bad press right before the stock holders meeting, so they are deliberately trying to spin the negative press as being tied to their support of LGBT. However it's pretty obvious that the voters at the Consumerist were much more focused on EA's price gouging and charging extra for downloadable content just to get the basic content, anti-competitive measures and a host of other issues.

So when you hear EA saying "They hate us because we're taking a stand for human rights", you know the truth is "They hate you because you mercilessly squeeze every dollar out of your customers, you provide horrid customer service and because you deliberately hold back game content as DLC, making the customers feel like they're being blackmailed instead of being consumers."

violence is fine tho! (1)

Sebastopol (189276) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586835)

Just like the MPAA rating board.

Violence is fine.

Sex is evil.

Fits well with the small faction of christian nutjobs who work tirelessly to spread their evangelism to all parts of the country and the world.

How so few people manage to have such a profound impact is truly amazing.

They definitely aren't a lazy bunch.

But the gay sex scenes are wife's favorite parts! (1)

WilliamBaughman (1312511) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586843)

The gay sex scenes (which really aren't even scenes!) are wife's favorite parts of Mass Effect II. Sure it might gain Renegade points for my fem shep, but I have to listen to my wife - my avatar is modeled after her. I'm pleased to see EA morph is to a less evil company over time, but I wouldn't say I love them, especially since Mass Effect III isn't (and won't be) on Steam. I do hope they resist pressure and put more (optional) lesbianism instead of less into future games.

Geez. (2)

HapSlappy_2222 (1089149) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586845)

Of all the things to hate EA for, they choose progressive gay rights? I'd say I have to side with EA on this, but I'm choosing to believe BioWare had the cubes convince EA to let them put it in.

One of the very best things about the additional "same-sex" content was how completely UN-weird it was, and I applaud the developers for treating a historically delicate subject as standard fare. Hell, Cortez almost made me cry when I found out he lost his husband; that was definitely NOT the usual "zomg gheys!" giggle-treatment. Even the treatment of inter-racial relationships still doesn't have that level of dignity in entertainment media.

I figure if a vampire can eat a fetus out of the uterus of the woman he impregnated with his zombie spawn on screen, and the only protest is the quality of the acting, two dudes can make out in a video-game just peachy.

Opinionated and unnegotiable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39586859)

I'm surprised that people can get things done in this day and age. Everyone has an opinion which has to be forced onto other people. Personally I don't want to see gay stuff in my games, but if I don't make the wrong choices in game I won't see it, so no problem. I'm sure people don't want a lot of things to happen to them in game, but make the wrong choices and you get "shafted".
Seriously though, instead of banning it, put warnings on it or think of some other way to overcome your differences. Stop playing this "I'm right and your wrong" game.

Pure Pwnage? c. 2004 (2)

Torodung (31985) | more than 2 years ago | (#39586865)

It's incredible how this all started with Jeremy asking EA to "suck his balls," way back in 2004. Who knew they listened to customer feedback?

Well, EA can still suck my balls [youtube.com] , and there's no religious group that will intimidate me from making such a request.

http://www.purepwnage.com/ [purepwnage.com] has the full video, but there's egregious ad-portals in front of them. So you only have to sit through one, it's Season 1, Episode 3. The whole thing's worth watching, but the quote is at 4:14.

As for fundamentalist family groups, they can suck my balls too. I can only hate on EA so much.

Hmm? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#39586873)

First of all, where are the same-sex relationships in SWOTR?
Secondly - besides having lived in the bible-belt for quite some time, I'm still shocked. I expect that the next time Germany's foreign minister (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guido_Westerwelle) comes around, he'll be bared from speaking publicly or something..

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