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Feedback On Simcity Gets User Banned From EA Forums

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the please-sir-can-I-have-another? dept.

DRM 386

An anonymous reader writes "EA's latest SimCity game requires users to log on online even for single player. After being unable to log on for three hours, one of its users chimed in with his very polite $0.02 opinion, only to get himself banned by EA admins. Another great victory for DRM." Update: 01/29 18:00 GMT by S : The player's ban has been lifted, and it seems to have happened for an unrelated issue anyway.

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Was it EA..... (5, Interesting)

jythie (914043) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727563)

Was it EA that had their forum and DRM systems linked in such a way that getting banned could also lock you out of content you had purchased, or was that another company? I vaguely recall it being a thing a while back.

Re:Was it EA..... (4, Informative)

i kan reed (749298) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727639)

Yes, it was EA. If you see an EA logo on a game, don't buy it.

Re:Was it EA..... (5, Informative)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727861)

I have no idea why anyone would buy any game, from any publisher, that required an internet connection for online play. Mind-boggling.

I love SimCity, but would never consider this game for that very reason.

Re:Was it EA..... (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42727977)

I bought Diablo 3. Beat it, replay value sucked, and then I started having connection BS. At least Blizzard will let you get a full refund within like.. 30 or 60 days. So I did.

Re:Was it EA..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42728023)

I haven't been following the saga but I can definitely envision a case where always online play was a requirement that existed outside of DRM or multiplayer: when the computational power requirements of the simulation exceed the generally available computation resources of the host machine. As simulations such as these become even more complex, it makes perfect sense to me that you would want/need to distribute the computational load among a set of dedicated remote servers to further enhance the experience. I expect that this kind of distributed computation will become even more common as high/higher speed links become more available and common.

Re:Was it EA..... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42728031)

While I do want a Simcity game, as SimCity 4 is 9 years old at this point, I can't see this new product as a Simcity game. There is no local saves. There are preset map sizes (don't mind that that much), but there is a problem here. The player is not able to edit the land. I can't level a mountain to make way for a road. I can't build a system of streams and lakes. They want players to view making a city a puzzle that also takes into account terrain and wondering how to build a road around that mountain. They want the toy (not a game by Will Wright's point of view) to play with the players instead of letting the players play freely with it. Not everyone wants their cities to be compared to the works of others.

At this rate, I doubt it will have any fun cheat codes as was a staple of the series.

Re:Was it EA..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42728045)

I have no idea why anyone would buy any game, from any publisher, that required an internet connection for online play. Mind-boggling.

How else do you play an online game without an internet connection?

Re:Was it EA..... (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | about a year and a half ago | (#42728113)

I meant to say "offline"

Re:Was it EA..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42728111)

that required an internet connection for online play

I assume you meant to type 'offline' ;o)

I agree totally. I used to travel 2-3 hours a day by train to commute. As well as spending the time reading a book or listening to music, I also used to pull out my laptop plug in headphones to play games.

In such a situation always-online DRM becomes incredibly annoying. I wasn't even able to use my mobile for tethering to work around it, due to the high latency, packet loss and loss of signal in tunnels. It meant I actively avoided buying any games for those journeys that required a net connection.

The assumption the companies have is that everyone now has an always-on connection, but that's simply not always the case. Not everyone plays games exclusively at home and even there some people are still on dialup etc. They should not need to pay monthly for a broadband connection they don't want or need it just so they can play a game offline.

Re:Was it EA..... (5, Informative)

tonywong (96839) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727865)

Better summary here:

https://www.techdirt.com/blog/?tag=beta

Re:Was it EA..... (4, Informative)

Astatine (179864) | about a year and a half ago | (#42728143)

Here's the direct link to the article for future convenience (it's at the top of the above link right now but I doubt it'll stay there): https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130127/19023721799/redditor-points-out-flaws-simcitys-online-only-drm-gets-banned-ea-his-troubles.shtml [techdirt.com]

Re:Was it EA..... (4, Informative)

jaymz666 (34050) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727719)

I believe the story in question was EA Forum Bans Can Lock You Out Of Games http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/03/11/ea-forum-bans-can-lock-you-out-of-games/ [rockpapershotgun.com]

Banned (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42727587)

I banned your moms ass last nite

Except it isn't their latest game. (5, Informative)

Aquitaine (102097) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727599)

It isn't EA's latest game - it's a beta test with rules and restrictions typical of beta tests.

The game doesn't come out until March. Being 'unable to log on' for three hours might be a worthy complaint after that.

Re:Except it isn't their latest game. (4, Insightful)

The MAZZTer (911996) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727621)

It IS a beta, and if you have a problem with it... such as being unable to log on... you're expected to report such problems (unless the devs already clearly know about it, maybe).

Re:Except it isn't their latest game. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42727807)

Yes but you may well be restricted from telling hte whole internet about it.

I don't know in this case but it's not unusual to be under some form of NDA.

Re:Except it isn't their latest game. (3, Informative)

Tridus (79566) | about a year and a half ago | (#42728027)

Such feedback was explicitly allowed during the weekend beta. Game videos/screenshots were the only thing restricted.

Re:Except it isn't their latest game. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42727839)

Such problems were rampant in the FFXIV open beta.

Re:Except it isn't their latest game. (1)

sandytaru (1158959) | about a year and a half ago | (#42728117)

And SE didn't listen, and FFXIV flopped. At least for the 2.0 reboot they are taking that kind of feedback much more seriously.

Re:Except it isn't their latest game. (1)

ScienceofSpock (637158) | about a year and a half ago | (#42728035)

If this was the most recent beta over the weekend, it wasn't a *real* beta, it was a preview weekend to bump up pre-orders that just happened to be called a beta test. You could only play for an hour at a time, probably half the content wasn't there, and every time the game ended, Origin would open the SimCity pre-order page in the store and it would open the pre-order page in your browser as well. There was no *required* post-game reporting, feedback or bug reports.

Re:Except it isn't their latest game. (1)

Grashnak (1003791) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727729)

Maybe, but banning someone for complaining about being unable to log in is still ridiculous.

Re:Except it isn't their latest game. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42727823)

I would have banned him too, for all we know they were stress testing the login servers.

Re:Except it isn't their latest game. (3, Informative)

Grashnak (1003791) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727945)

That's moronic. The point of forums is for people to talk about your game. Sometimes, the things they say will be stupid. That's what happens when people talk. Ban everyone with an incorrect or unjustified point and you'll have a pretty empty forum.

Re:Except it isn't their latest game. (1)

Andy Dodd (701) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727853)

One valid question would be: Did they accidentally post something related to the beta in a public discussion forum instead of the private one related to the game?

Re:Except it isn't their latest game. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42728025)

Sure, if that's what happened. EA has reversed the ban and is chalking it up to a bug [reddit.com] .

I.E. Nothing to see here, move along.

Re:Except it isn't their latest game. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42727879)

The game doesn't come out until March. Being 'unable to log on' for three hours might be a worthy complaint after that.

"might be" you say... Is there some mitigating circumstance where it's okay for a released game to arbitrarily not work for some purchasers that puts that "might" in there?

Re: Except it isn't their latest game. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42728037)

Finally! Been waiting for someone to announce this to everyone!

While I agree that DRM sucks and banning users from the forum (and the game!) is complete rubbish, is not really applicable here.

I love the SimCity series (5, Interesting)

i kan reed (749298) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727605)

And I have no reason to think the gameplay of this latest iteration is bad. But I'm never going to buy it. Ever. I don't care if that doesn't influence EA to stop being terrible, but all I can ever do is not buy their stuff.

If you must play this game(and you don't) please pirate it. Please.

Re:I love the SimCity series (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42727783)

At least the pirate version will work in disconnected mode.

Re:I love the SimCity series (4, Insightful)

Abstrackt (609015) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727809)

If you must play this game(and you don't) please pirate it. Please.

Personally, I think it sends a stronger message to tell the company "your product isn't even worth pirating" than to establish that there is in fact demand for it despite the issues.

Re:I love the SimCity series (5, Insightful)

brxndxn (461473) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727975)

I think it would send the strongest message if they could see the following:

- sales rates go up when games have less DRM
- piracy goes up when games have more DRM independent of sales rate
- EA sales would increase if EA stops being assholes
- EA does not see any of this because EA's head is in its ass

Re:I love the SimCity series (2)

The123king (2395060) | about a year and a half ago | (#42728019)

If you get a better gameplay experience from pirating software instead of buying it (as is the case here) it just shows how horribly broken the retail version is. That's the sign of poor management and terribly implemented DRM.

Re:I love the SimCity series (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42728125)

Except that there IS a demand for new Sim City games and many gamers would very much like them to continue making them.
"Buying" the DRM-free version seems like the only way to send the correct message.

Re:I love the SimCity series (2)

mjr167 (2477430) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727873)

I'm with you. I loved Sim City and the Sims until Origin. Now I won't buy another EA game.

Re:I love the SimCity series (4, Insightful)

ddxexex (1664191) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727941)

If you must play this game(and you don't) please pirate it. Please.

I never like it when people suggest pirating software as a form of protest, if you think the DRM is too intrusive, don't buy the game at all. For the bad car analogy, Let's say you don't like On-Star because you think its too intrusive. You see a car you like, but it only comes with On-Star. So to protest On-Star you steal a car. That's not protesting it's an excuse to steal.

If you must play the game, buy it, feel guilty about not sticking to your morals, then attempt to forgive yourself by donating to the EFF or something.

Re:I love the SimCity series (1)

fermion (181285) | about a year and a half ago | (#42728181)

Simcity is one of the few video games that I played and bought. They lost me when they required media to play the game. I don't pirate games, I buy then and play them. When you inconvenience me and treat me like a criminal, I don't buy them anymore.

first post (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42727611)

first post

My $.02 (1, Informative)

cstream_chris (776009) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727613)

As part of the closed beta, just want to report I've had no issues at all, logging in to play the game. Granted, I didn't attempt on launch day, but it's been pretty decent. I was more upset with the limited playtime (limited to 1 hr) and inability to save anything. Also, a lot of the full game functionality is disable. Anyway, don't think it's right what EA is doing in terms of banning users posting negative reviews, but I suppose it's their site and they have every right to do as they please. Unfortunately for folks, this means fans of the game have to suck it up and deal with the EA BS, but at least they've finally released a new version of the game after years. Cheers.

Re:My $.02 (4, Insightful)

snemarch (1086057) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727785)

Unfortunately for folks, this means fans of the game have to give EA the middle finger and pirate it, or simply not buy the game, but at least they've finally released a new version of the game after years.

There, FTFY.

Re:My $.02 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42727855)

Or stick to your principles, avoid crap like this, allow this to chip away at EA's bottom line and maybe we can get some progress....

but monkey see, monkey want...

Re:My $.02 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42727925)

Hi chris, can you provide me your EA Forum nick? That alone would suffice.
Thanks,
- EA Forum Team

Re:My $.02 (3, Funny)

aalex675 (628367) | about a year and a half ago | (#42728159)

He told me his nick is: ' OR 1 = 1; DROP TABLE Users

- Glad I could help

Solution is so simple.. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42727631)

STOP buying EA games.

First! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42727635)

First!

Here here! (1)

thesinfulgamer (2537658) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727641)

I'm in the Beta. I think it's OK but they screwed the pooch for it. Really? only an hour of one map? isn't the point to test EVERYTHING in the game? Plus yeah, the always on DRM sucks ass. (I can't play because my internet is gone)

Re:Here here! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42728201)

Where where?

Clearly a terrorist (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42727645)

"... otherwise you will be in for lot of trouble."

Who else would write such a thing but a terrorist threatening to blow up the headquarters?

Article is missing? (1)

erpbridge (64037) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727649)

Where is the link to the actual article? All this posting is, is a link to EA's website and a bunch of photo-hosting site pictures. Has the user actually engaged EA's customer support over email to appeal the ban? Would like if there was an actual story, because as it currently stands, this seems to be just one person posting anecdotal information that is focused on a single person, not a widespread group.

Re:Article is missing? (1)

SYSS Mouse (694626) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727701)

Well if the person is indeed banned, the post is most likely deleted.

Re:Article is missing? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42727773)

Some things don't have to happen more than once to still be wrong. This is one of those cases.

Re:Article is missing? (1)

tonywong (96839) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727989)

Original post is still cached on google.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Y48LvBtM0PgJ:answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/EA-is-Suffering-from-the-Issues-of-Always-Online/td-p/418246+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Re:Article is missing? (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | about a year and a half ago | (#42728187)

It also appears to be on EA's site: http://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/Last-Plea-For-Offline-Mode/m-p/418246#M2693 [ea.com]

I'm a little confuzzled by the story. Nothing here makes sense. Is it possible EA disabled the wrong user account, and has since re-enabled it?

EA needs to wake up. (0)

kodabmx (2473710) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727655)

The Sims series has always been a poorly written piece of bloatware IMHO, Takes ages to load, run choppy on modern equipment, and crashes regularly. EA needs to wake up and realize their own anti-piracy implementation is alienating their customer base. There is a reason the HumbleBundle always makes money, for instance!

Your first mistake... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42727663)

was in buying a game from EA.

If gamers would stop buying from EA, this problem would resolve itself.

Re:Your first mistake... (1)

i kan reed (749298) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727717)

The first mistake was keeping DRM legal. There should be standards of use for all consumer-grade copyrighted products, and letting companies decide is fundamentally unhealthy for a free-market economy. Any variations on such a standard license should require a physical contract signed by both parties.

beta? (1)

DaWhilly (2555136) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727667)

Beta user complains because Beta doesn't work and criticizes the company. Company bans user from logging into the Beta game. User posts the fact they were banned and will most likely never buy the app. News how?

Re:beta? (4, Insightful)

X0563511 (793323) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727745)

More like beta user submits valid beta feedback and is banned for their trouble.

That smells the same way asking for someone's opinion then punching them when they give it to you does.

Re:beta? (1)

Stoutlimb (143245) | about a year and a half ago | (#42728051)

"We were stress-testing our beta servers so shut your mouth bitch" as a reply to that post probably would not have gotten EA any bad publicity. Deleting that post would probably never be noticed. It sounds like the forum team is due for a shareholder mandated witch hunt.

EA Overlords (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42727677)

I for one, welcome our new DRM based overlords. ..but only when the DRM servers are up

DRM = NO SALE (5, Interesting)

Kaitiff (167826) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727683)

I was an avid Diablo and Diablo II player. Same with Starcraft. These games gave me endless hours of enjoyment in some cases decades after release. I have not and will not purchase either Starcraft II or Diablo III. I am a 'lost sale' because of the WAR on gamers by the studios. Any game I purchase, in a store or otherwise, that I can't play at my leisure now or at any time in the future because the creator or owner of the license shuts down a server, or stops supporting the game will not be in my inventory.

Re:DRM = NO SALE (2)

Ravaldy (2621787) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727831)

Unfortunately you're a minority because game sales have never been so high. I 100% agree with you that DRM is bad since it doesn't bring any benefits to the single player experience. I think game companies should continu providing good multiplayer experiences in hopes that drives piracy down.

Re:DRM = NO SALE (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42728191)

game sales have never been so high

Just think of how much higher they could be. The vocal minority still costs EA/Blizzard/Ubisoft money and the apathetic majority would not be swayed contrarily by such freedom.
 
  The data mining goodness would suffer, however. AGAIN I'll say it: Once our purchase is complete, we're done. I am not your new BFF nor your data gravy train. Get out of my life!
 
I'm itching for a D2X mod tonight, methinks.

As a longtime Sim City player, I am sad (4, Insightful)

Isca (550291) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727695)

This setup is the stupidest thing to come down the pike in a long time. I can understand having the DRM to be able to play online. What I don't understand is why there is not an offline mode that does not allow you to take advantage of all the online only features and who's gameplay doesn't affect the online version. And the article shows just how far they have gone into looney land - no constructive feedback allowed. This will be literally the first Sim City I will not own. I have bought literally every version of it over the years including the original Sim City.

Re:As a longtime Sim City player, I am sad (1)

Eightbitgnosis (1571875) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727725)

I sure there will be an offline version put out by a certain Bay with pirates in it soon enough

Re:As a longtime Sim City player, I am sad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42727979)

exactly this. just get the fixed version later, no drm hassle, offline mode for the singleplayer mode included etc pp.
sorry to say, but this is the sad truth. i baught the latest anno2070 version, because i really like that franchise... thanks to the drm crap, i had to get a "fixed version at the p-bay"... now, why should i even bother to buy the next allways online game? just to experience the same fucking problems again? thanks, but no thanks. i'll just get the fixed version directly next time.

Re:As a longtime Sim City player, I am sad (1)

alen (225700) | about a year and a half ago | (#42728001)

from what i have read the game is always online because every city is part of the simcountry or whatever. every city will be affected by events in other players' cities

sadness (1)

Rob Bos (3399) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727713)

I had not heard that Simcity was going to be always-online DRM'd. That's a little sad; I was looking forward to it. I hope that they change that policy.

Re:sadness (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42727993)

"I hope that they change that policy."

Sorry, not trying to be a dick, but this funny saying comes to mind:

"You can hope in one hand, and shit in the other. Let me know which one fills up faster."

Re:sadness (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about a year and a half ago | (#42728109)

Just get the pirate version.

NDA? (2)

addie (470476) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727767)

I'm guessing his getting banned is more to do with openly discussing his experience in the closed beta than criticizing the DRM.

Re:NDA? (3, Informative)

Tridus (79566) | about a year and a half ago | (#42728115)

There was an open beta on the weekend where discussing feedback was allowed and wide open. They even had a public forum for it: http://answers.ea.com/t5/Feedback/bd-p/Feedback [ea.com]

In fact DRM complaints were probably #2 on the complaint list... a mile behind the city sizes being absurdly tiny, which was the #1 complaint.

Re:NDA? (1)

addie (470476) | about a year and a half ago | (#42728217)

I stand corrected.

Re:NDA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42728197)

Maybe, but that's not newsworthy. Why attribute it to that when there's a much more malicious possibility that'll generate page views?

Beta (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42727769)

It's a beta and he is complaining, what a tool.

Consider Me Warned (4, Insightful)

houbou (1097327) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727795)

Feedback is feedback.. the feedback I read, did not warrant getting banned. Worse, it was constructive in many ways. Finally, this is a paying customer. If this is how EA will now do business, consider me warned, I'm not buying their wares. I think it should be illegal to stop a paying customer from being able to provide feedback, especially since this customer is trying to have access to a product which he paid to used in the first place.

Re:Consider Me Warned (0)

charlesbakerharris (623282) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727877)

You think he paid to get into the beta? Umm...

Re:Consider Me Warned (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42727955)

A lot of people did, they got into the beta from preordering the game. So...maybe.

Just more proof that EA is well beyond redemption (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42727813)

They get worse and worse each day. All their franchises are being turned into generic shooters, and microtransactions/DLC are pretty much mandatory for anything they publish.

That said, I would like to see more on the story in the OP since it seems like some information is missing. Maybe the ToS forbids long ranting complaints or something?

Cities in motion 2 looks to be a better game (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42727815)

Cities in motion 2 looks to be a better game face it the ROAD SYSTEM SUCKS IN SIMCITY 5

To the guy who got banned (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42727847)

ha ha! [youtube.com]

Rant mode on... (2)

WilyCoder (736280) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727857)

I am ever so close to abandoning video games as a hobby because of shit like this.

I've got a nice collection of board games and they are so much fun to play with a group of friends over some drinks and pizza. When I contrast that experience with the racist, homophobic insults I may encounter on XBOX live and other crap like this DRM, its getting harder and harder to justify that $60 video game.

As a programmer by day for a long time now, there is NO functional need for always online DRM for most game types. It benefits me, the consumer,(cough) I mean CITIZEN, in no way whatsoever. They know it, I know it, and yet they want me to buy the shit they are shoveling at me.

With these types of citizen abuse occurring in the gaming industry I hope it tanks. Not that I want to see people lose their jobs, but I want the business model to change.

The future, in my humble opinion, lies with the indie market. Look at games like FTL and Hotline Miami. Available to purchase without DRM, probably pirated to hell and back, and yet those small 1-2 man teams are each now probably millionaires. And they deserve it. Does EA deserve even a single penny for their anti-citizen activities? One of the tenets of capitalism is ownership of private property. With each new AAA game released, I own less and less of it. Fuck you EA, you are anti-capitalist and you are part of the reason why citizen rights are eroding.

Re:Rant mode on... (4, Informative)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727909)

If you want a pizza-and-drinks game... Munchkin. Doesn't take up as much space as a board game, as it's nothing but cards and dice, and it's a lot of fun.

Re:Rant mode on... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42728179)

I don't want to even touch this SimCity game with an eleven foot pole.

I really should order a copy of Munchkin and the expansions soon.

Also seen on Reddit (2)

Bogtha (906264) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727863)

The EA developers working on this did a Q&A [reddit.com] last month. Needless to say, the responses mentioned DRM quite a bit... this person summed a lot of them up nicely [reddit.com] . Those are responses only from the Q&A, and he only stopped because Reddit doesn't allow longer comments.

Just don't buy it (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727889)

The solution is simple. Do not buy these games.

Spend your entertainment dollars on something else. That is the only way they will get the message.

don't like what I see so far (1)

Njovich (553857) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727913)

It was a beta, so we should be somewhat forgiving of flaws.

Then again, where I live, 60 euro buys you the 'limited edition', which doesn't even include all the content available at launch. I'm not sure if there will be a demo, and reviews are on and off, so what exactly am I supposed to use for judging if it's worth 60 euro? As much as they see it as a Beta themselves, for lots of people this was effectively a commercial demo. I'm sure they can fix the network problems, but in terms of gameplay I doubt they'll do more than minor tweaks.

I tried the beta, it was more fun than simcity 4... but nothing that great. The tutorial is very polished, as you've come to expect in games these days. The graphics are generally viewed as good, but I don't really like this sims style cartoony stuff. I wish they could give us an interface that feels more about realism, planning and technology and less like a kids toy. I guess they decided their market is in different people, fine. They claim to have groundbreaking simulations, but in so far they have that it didn't seem to add much in terms of interesting gameplay. Animations seemed unrefined. I doubt they'll change those things so much.

Perhaps multiplayer will be fun, didn't manage to try that.

Also, as in the article, I couldn't manage to login until late in the Beta, but then again, it is a Beta so I'm sure they'll be able to fix the network problems eventually.

Use a proxy (1)

futhermocker (2667575) | about a year and a half ago | (#42727951)

To record traffic, then replay communication with EA, write a responder and redirect traffic to EA to responder and you're done. No more DRM... (profit?)

DRM strikes again (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42727981)

This is the type of thing that has caused me to "vote with my wallet".

I purchased Battlefield 3 and quickly found that their DRM was a huge problem, this was painfully evident when I attended a rather large LAN party (400+ attendees) and the EA Origin servers simply didn't work. You had a whole pile of people attempting to log on to play the game they paid good money for and couldn't. My copy of BF3 has been sitting on a shelf uninstalled from my machine ever since; 3 days of not being able to access the game, especially since we had tournaments going on that relied on it, was a huge frustration.

Granted it sounds like this was a BETA, so you have to expect some issues, but I don't see this getting any better. Especially since the user was banned for a rather polite piece of feedback offering good advice. Way to reward your customers EA.

If I'm interested in a game now, I look specifically for the EA logo, if the game has it on there, I won't purchase it.

May be an honest mistake! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42728033)

Apparently they have 'accidentally' banned a few people, according to the forum (as of now)... they have this posted :

"Heya everyone,

We had a minor tech issue which caused a handful of people to be banned who shouldn't have been. This issue is being researched by our tech team to prevent it from occurring again, and our AHQ Staff members are aware and have restored lost access to affected users.

We apologize for the inconvenience.

Your Answer HQ Team
"

I wonder if he was one of those.

i'M So happy to play only EVE Online... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42728053)

...and laugh at this stupid shit. I'm glad I'll NEVERNEVERNEVERNEVERNEVERNEVERNEVERNEVER buy ANY sort of EA game.

Now he knows... (1)

MetalliQaZ (539913) | about a year and a half ago | (#42728063)

Don't buy an EA game. Now, I would suggest buying it and then playing the cracked version instead, however that doesn't send the message to EA that they need to hear. So my best advice is just to stay away from EA.

DO !! NOT !! FUCK !! WITH !! THE !! MAN !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42728101)

He will put you down !! and KEEP YOU DOWN !!

Jury !!

Crack Hero (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42728107)

All this will result in is a more sophisticated crack.

It will be available on bittorrent eventually.

I dont care because I dont care about EA. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42728133)

I have stopped purchasing EA products because of their tendency to just shit out the same old thing over and over and over again. Their horrible DRM. The way they pimp DLC for games before they even launch. They way they nickle and dime customers with purchasing in game items or letting people buy short cuts to items like in battlefield 3 or the upcoming dead space 3. I dont like the way that they do not treat their customers like customers, but instead mindless cattle and that they let developers under their banner do it as well like how bioware bashed gamers for not liking mass effect 3 and essentially told them that because they do not make games they are not allowed to have an opinion on what they think is good or bad. I think Origin is a terrible piece of bloatware that I do not wish to be installed on my pc. They let almost every game be released in poor shape with the "release now and fix it later" mentality.

So EA is on my list of publishers and developers I no longer will buy games from new at retail. If they make a game I really want to play I buy it used so they do not get any money from me at all. Also included for the same and other reasons is Capcom, Activision, Nintendo, Sqaurenix, Namco Bandai, Bethesda, Bioware, Sega, Rockstar and Ubisoft.

What EA doesn't show you is the real reason... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42728139)

"Mention of competitor's product, Diablo"
or
"Spam detected: multiple links, use of bold font."
or
"Flame bait"
or
"TLDR;"

outsourced to China? (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | about a year and a half ago | (#42728155)

I just heard an NPR story incredibly similar to this just this morning except it was the Chinese Communist Party suppressing all dissenting opinions and anything negative about them. Get ready for an epic level pushback/Streisand effect from this. It's already on Slashdot so really you don't have to "get ready" you get to "get popcorn" lol.

The ban was not due to his post! (3, Informative)

mrbene (1380531) | about a year and a half ago | (#42728171)

As he updated today, again on Reddit:

It turns out however, that EA is having really bad technical issues and managed to accidentally ban several users. The cause, they credit, is something to do with the email opt-out. (Which explains why I did not receive information regarding the ban)

ref [reddit.com]

Always On DRM is still a reason not to buy the game, as is buggy account management. However, the day-long Slashdot lag is providing only half the story.

EA shills and trolls (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#42728175)

EA is a massive company, and pays for some very sophisticated pro-active PR activity. You will notice this PR activity here, and on other relevant forums.

So, no matter how sickening (and illegal in nations like the UK) EA's activities are, you will find yourself reading posts carefully explaining and excusing these actions. The paid shills doing there job. But, another phenomenon kicks in. The PR shills know their psychology, and pretty soon a 'TEAM EA' effect starts to become apparent.

Fans of EA games start to add their voices to the PR shill posts, repeating and amplifying the defense, often with the most perverse and idiotic logic you will ever read. EA has a 'tribe' or 'mob' or 'gang' of loyalist brain-dead 'supporters who actively seek to justify any and all actions by their 'gods', and howl down anyone who attempts to suggest EA should be held accountable.

This vile, blind fanaticism is probably the greatest reason we should object to the PR shill activities of organisations like EA. Humans turned into fanatics over one cause (trivial as it may be in this case), will take that fanatical programming into real life, now experienced into giving their unthinking support to any cause that might appeal to their tiny brains.

So called 'mob rule' is NEVER the rule of the mob, but the successful manipulation of key elements of the mob by evil people who play the "end justifies the means" game, and see the unleashed power of the mob as the greatest possible weapon. EA is such an evil.

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