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E-Sports Gender Gap: 90+% Male

Soulskill posted about 8 months ago | from the why-competitions-always-have-that-smell dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "An e-sports production company has published the results of a survey into the demographics of the gamers who attend competition events. Even though nearly half of the gaming population is composed of women, they account for less than 10% of the players in competitions. The e-sports company, WellPlayed, said, '[A] whopping 90-94% of the viewers were male, and interestingly enough, only about half of the remaining survey takers felt comfortable being identified as female.' The results were taken from survey responses over the past year at competitions for StarCraft 2 and League of Legends. DailyDot makes the point that competitive gaming communities also tend not to be racially diverse. Quoting: 'Although no studies have been done about race in esports, it only takes one trip to a Major League Gaming event to confirm what Cannon says. With the notably racially diverse exception of the fighting-game community, Asians and white Americans make up an enormous portion of esports players and fans. Black and Middle Eastern esports fans are conspicuously missing.'"

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Huh? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285023)

WTF is an e-sport?
I'm sorry but playing StarCraft 2 is not a sport. It's a video game.

Re:Huh? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285101)

WTF is an e-sport?

It's a method for insecure nerds to compare their lengths of their video game penises by proxy.

Understandably, not a lot of women see the appeal.

Women can be nerds as well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285169)

The statistical probability of meeting one is just 0 :P

Re:Huh? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285189)

Well, the strong independent womyns that ain't need no man could just organize their own competition in Bejeweled or whatever they are playing. Nobody forbids them that.

Re:Huh? (1)

nhat11 (1608159) | about 8 months ago | (#46285459)

And here comes the e-sports bashing just because it involves little physical movements. Great we got some open minded people here that aren't restricted to the usual view of sports.

Online no one can tell you aren't a woman (1)

goombah99 (560566) | about 8 months ago | (#46285761)

Plus they do chromosome testing at the E_sports events, so the 50% of male gamers that pretend to be women on-line can't pass at the event.

Re:Huh? (2, Insightful)

loonycyborg (1262242) | about 8 months ago | (#46285123)

You know, sports like football are just games too, only not not software-assisted.

Re:Huh? (0)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about 8 months ago | (#46285253)

In physical sports there is a genuine reason why men and women don't complete directly... At least some times. No reason why they couldn't face off over a snooker table or at darts.

With video games there is no reason for them not to complete and no single sex tournaments. The problem is simply that we know women play games and enjoy them but that they are for some reason not taking part in competitions. We know women are competitive and enjoy sports, so there should be more of them participating, and would like to know why they don't so we can remove any artificial barriers.

To be absolutely clear it isn't about getting a 50/50 ratio. That's just something trolls use to discredit attempts to remove barriers in the way of women who do want to take part. Same with jobs, it isn't about an equal number, it is about women saying they want to do those jobs but are put off by various things.

Re:Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285375)

Inertia maybe? I know the best of my gamer friends were the ones that were always on someone's couch with the P2 controller in hand. Besides those nintendo ads, I've just never seen girls hanging out playing xbox all night. ( and I _do_ hang out with girls regularly :P )

Re:Huh? (1)

NotDrWho (3543773) | about 8 months ago | (#46285453)

Women and men both play videogames, but not often the same kind. The average woman is a lot more likely to play a game like Farmville or Angry Birds than Call of Duty or Gears of War. In general, they seem a lot more attracted to cooperative and social games than competitive ones. Since most e-sports games are competitive by nature, the relative absence of women is not surprising.

Re:Huh? (1)

Andrewkov (140579) | about 8 months ago | (#46285565)

Even in Chess there is a separate women's league. Although women can play in men's tournaments.

Re:Huh? (4, Interesting)

wisnoskij (1206448) | about 8 months ago | (#46285591)

But women do not, in 90% of the cases, play Starcraft.

Also, I think you should research more into darts, snooker, etc. In more sports like this Women are allowed to complete in male tournaments (the male leagues are actually unisex), they just are not able to actually win or qualify. Hand-eye coordination is a physical ability, and tends to have huge gender based differences. The real professional athletes know this, as they actually follow the sport. We have decades of hard data on this, and do you think professional women athlete never interact with their male peers? The only people who think that women and men should compete in the same leagues are people who do not even watch the sports they are suggesting be changed.

There is not a single sport that I know of that women and men actually compete at the same level at. They are different in every single way (their brains are wired more differentially than their physical bodies are), so they do better or worse based on these differences in every sport out there.

Re:Huh? (0)

Shados (741919) | about 8 months ago | (#46285219)

Thats why no one is calling it a sport. They needed a different term that people would understand without it being explained. So e-sport it is. Video game at a competitive level.

No one thinks you're gonna lose weight doing it, there's no confusion. No problems.

Re:Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285341)

No one thinks you're gonna lose weight doing it

So sumo wresting and curling are e-sports too?

Re:Huh? (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | about 8 months ago | (#46285619)

There are no overweight professional e-sport athletes. Every team I have ever heard of needed to maintain an extremely strict and intensive gym regime to stay at the top of their game.

Re:Huh? (1)

Shados (741919) | about 8 months ago | (#46285729)

Yes, but the e-sport itself isn't whats helping, its stuff related to training but unrelated to the game.

That being said, there are a LOT of overweight e-sport athletes. They're the minority, but there's a lot.

Re:Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285245)

WTF is an e-sport?
I'm sorry but playing StarCraft 2 is not a sport. It's a video game.

An e-sport is to a sport as Beta is to Slashdot. It might appear to have the same content, but it's a hopelessly insufficient simulation of the real thing.

Re:Huh? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285305)

Calling it just a video game takes away the legitimacy of it as a activity in a professional setting. I agree they aren't athletics, but they are certainly sports.

E-sports are organised and played by professionals, depending on which game they make their entire living from playing and sponsorships (eg. many Starcraft players).

Re:Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285469)

WTF is an e-sport?
I'm sorry but playing StarCraft 2 is not a sport. It's a video game.

Many people consider Poker and Chess to be sports, so why can card games and board games be considered sports? Because they're old?

Re:Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285485)

It's what you play to exercise your e-peen.

Re:Huh? (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | about 8 months ago | (#46285517)

It's most definitely a sport, far more so than chess for example. In SC2, you actually need to be in top physical shape in terms of both your hand dexterity (these people need push out a steady stream of over 300 actions per minute for entire game, try doing that with untrained hands, your muscles will be cramping up in less than a minute) as well as mentally.

And it's helluva competitive, more so than many physical sports.

Great (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285029)

Wonderful. Another story based on the assumption that absolutely everyone should be absolutely equally interested in absolutely everything.

*Shock* *amazement* they're not. Unless the venue is telling women, black people, and Middle Eastern people they're not allowed in the door, there is no story here.

Oh and if women are uncomfortable identifying themselves as female, maybe it's because stories like this keep making it into a Great Big Deal. Maybe they just want to be a person and not *OMFG A WOMAN IS HERE!* all the time.

Re:Great (4, Insightful)

flintmecha (1134937) | about 8 months ago | (#46285119)

Or maybe it's because that 90% majority of males is largely toxic, vulgar, immature, misogynist, and unwelcoming, and say shit like "OMFG A WOMAN IS HERE!" and tell women what they should do or say or feel about the men who act that way.

Re:Great (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285195)

Or maybe it's because that 90% majority of males is largely toxic, vulgar, immature, misogynist, and unwelcoming, and say shit like "OMFG A WOMAN IS HERE!" and tell women what they should do or say or feel about the men who act that way.

<sarcasm>Yes 90% of males are all that way, just like 90% of black people want to steal your car.</sarcasm> Yes that is how you sound.

You just announced that you are perfectly fine with bigotry as long as you like the choice of target. Guess what? Every bigot operates that way.

Congratulations, you are part of the problem. If you ever learn to stop hating men you don't know who haven't done anything against you, you can be part of the solution. Then together we can speak out against the few troublemakers who think exactly the way you do now, except their target of bigotry happened to be women.

Re:Great (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285487)

<sarcasm>Yes 90% of males are all that way, just like 90% of black people want to steal your car.</sarcasm> .

No - be fair 45% of black people want to steal your car and 45% have a great deal on used car parts

Re:Great (2)

serviscope_minor (664417) | about 8 months ago | (#46285405)

Wonderful. Another story based on the assumption

Ah this comment and its moderation makes me think the "sexism does not exist" brigade is out in full force.

The story has nothing to do with why, or assumptions or anything else. It merely reports the results. Now please stop getting your knickers in a twist about some supposed butthurt over some imaginary feminism or whatever it is you believe has happened.

It's kind of funny because you clearly don't like the results in some way because you're complaining about them while complaining that they're good at the same time. Which is it?

Re:Great (0)

fsck-beta (3539217) | about 8 months ago | (#46285501)

Are you one of those lulzy male feminists I hear so much about?

Just gonna say it (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285033)

They're not real sports. This is just boys playing video games against each other and justifying it by appealing to people who like watching other people play video games. You can't expect this to have any kind of semblance to any real social sporting institution or to be held to the same standards.

Re:Just gonna say it (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285131)

You can't expect this to have any kind of semblance to any real social sporting institution or to be held to the same standards.

Quite - despite the purported gender gap and the various potential explanations for it, not even autistic vidya game nerds can keep up with the amount of misogyny required by professional sporting clubs.

Also they've all got prescriptions for their performance-enhancing adderall, so it's not technically doping.

Re:Just gonna say it (2, Insightful)

wisnoskij (1206448) | about 8 months ago | (#46285331)

I have to disagree.
When the competitors have to train harder than real sports athletes and have shorter shelf lives than Olympic athletes, it is a real sport.

E-sports simply is more competitive, and shows of far more impressive, super-human, skill than its RL analogue.

Re:Just gonna say it (1)

serviscope_minor (664417) | about 8 months ago | (#46285589)

E-sports simply is more competitive, and shows of far more impressive, super-human, skill than its RL analogue.

By what judgement do you claim it's far more impressive? I've played plenty of videogames and plenty of sports. The top professionals in all of them seem very, very far away. I've actually raced alongside a professional XC racer: the usual staged start, but he got a puncture almost straight out of the gate and so was passed by the entire field, myself included. Seeing him in action in conditions I was riding was frankly incredible.

equality of outcome (4, Interesting)

stenvar (2789879) | about 8 months ago | (#46285037)

Well, according to the "equality of outcome" school of thinking that dominates progressive thinking and policies, this amounts to racism. Therefore, the government must intervene in order to restore the preferred state, namely a statistically representative distribution of all genders and races.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E... [wikipedia.org]

Re:equality of outcome (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285117)

Well, according to the "equality of outcome" school of thinking that dominates progressive thinking and policies, this amounts to racism. Therefore, the government must intervene in order to restore the preferred state, namely a statistically representative distribution of all genders and races.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E... [wikipedia.org]

The only way government could do that is to use force or threat of force to either: Force members of $MinorityGroup to attend events they don't want to attend, or Force $WhiteMales to stay away from events they want to attend. Both options would, in and of themselves, be institutionalized racism.

Institutionalized racism in the name of fighting racism is one of the worst kinds because its supporters can convince themselves they're doing a good thing. It's sort of like all the wars and killings and torture conducted in the name of Jesus, a man who preached and conducted quite the opposite.

The best thing we could do is to make it illegal to even collect such statistics. The government should have no interest whatsoever in what color your skin is. We are all supposed to be equal. A colorblind society is how you would achieve that. The only "problem" is it would provide one less reason to manipulate and socially engineer and then these people would have to learn to accept that life is not always the way they insist it should be. A bit like growing up actually.

Re:equality of outcome (2)

Mashiki (184564) | about 8 months ago | (#46285187)

Seriously, the entire "if there isn't enough of x" BS pisses me off to no end. It's screwed up everything it's touched, and then some. It literally allows people who wouldn't be qualified to work in areas they shouldn't, and it creates no shortage of animosity among people and for a very good reason. My personal favorite was back in the '00's where police services in Ontario were posting ads with "*insert minority* but, applications from whites were not being accepted" happens in government, happens in business.

Beh, the entire thing is disgusting to anyone who has an ounce of common sense, and rational thinking.

Re:equality of outcome (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285207)

Only after Major League Baseball and the NFL are also forced to do the same. I hear their ratio of men-to-women players is even higher than e-sports.

Re:equality of outcome (0)

skovnymfe (1671822) | about 8 months ago | (#46285247)

The dumbest part is the organizations already do this. You'll consistently across find across all esports tournaments that you have tournaments and then you have womens tournaments. How's that for equal rights. And of course no one argues if women want to join the regular tournament, but there has to be a special one just for them because... well I'm not sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if it has something to do with their breasts, and attracting more men to look at their breasts. But we wouldn't actually say that anywhere, no, instead we say that we enjoy diversifity. We enjoy being so diversifited that women need to do everything men do, just to prove women are just as handicapable as men. But do you know what the worst part is? Women fucking suck unbelievably much at computer games. Really. They do. It is so god-fucking awful to watch women play computer games, even on a "professional" level. You've probably already come across it. Women playing football or women playing soccer. They're just so shamefully bad I can't believe anyone would actually pay to watch it. It's like, dude, seriously, have you never fucking heard of the internet? It's full of naked women. Please stop paying out your ass to watch this ridiculous spectacle. What NFL team in their right mind would hire a woman to play for them when they're just not suited for it? They get massacred. They are physically incapable of competing with men in sports. Nature made them this way, not society. Why the fuck do all the men of the world have to suffer because it's unfair that women don't get an inherent advantage? Why do women need special treatment to compensate for them being underrepresented? You're a woman you say? Well here's a free pass to the finals where you get your face blown off cause you're terrible. What's that, no women won any of our tournaments you say? Well shit, let's give everyone a fucking trophy and do away with competition altogether. We don't watch or play competitively to win anyway, it's all about having fun! Right? Girls just want to have fun? Well boys want to fucking win and they will punch eachother in the face to do it. What happens when women do this? Why it's degrading! It's horrible! It's shameful for women to behave like men. Only when it suits them is it unfair that they aren't all men.

Re:equality of outcome (2)

serviscope_minor (664417) | about 8 months ago | (#46285435)

The dumbest part is the

Actually the dumbest part is where your enter key appears to be broken.

Forbid males to discriminate female gamers! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285065)

How can that be, the gender "studies" "proves" there are no brain differences between male and female brains! That have to mean that female gamers are not lower in numbers, but are discriminated by these chauvinist male gamers!

it's designed for violent MANic viagrants (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285069)

abuse victims abuse... why would current & former victims want to watch?

Whites and Asians do esports because they can't ju (0)

raymorris (2726007) | about 8 months ago | (#46285081)

Well duh. When black kids want to play sports they go outside outside and play - basketball, football, whatever they just play. If they want to dunk, they dunk.

There's one Asian guy who can dunk. The rest have to dunk from the couch. Is it not obvious why little Asian high school kids aren't on the high school football team? There's a safety issue there. Look at the NFL and NFA - thousands of black guys, 34 white, and two Asian. The white guys who want to play do so via Madden 2013.

Re: Whites and Asians do esports because they can' (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285271)

And the NHL, arguably more athletic and dangerous than the NBA or NFL, is 95+% white dudes. Explain that one!

Re: Whites and Asians do esports because they can' (1)

mark-t (151149) | about 8 months ago | (#46285367)

You don't have to be able to throw or jump in hockey except *after* you score a goal, or your team has won the game.

More seriously, skating does not consume anywhere nearly as much energy per unit of time as running at the equivalent speeds... and since you did say it was only "arguably" more athletic, I figured that meant it would be okay to argue with you.

Re: Whites and Asians do esports because they can' (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285379)

You don't need to be able to jump really high to play hockey.

Re: Whites and Asians do esports because they can' (3, Interesting)

CastrTroy (595695) | about 8 months ago | (#46285419)

Cost of entry. Even as a white dude with a decent income, hockey is one of the few things that is off the table for my kids, because it's just too expensive. The amount of training that people put their kids through in Hockey in unlike any sport out there. You won't see kids who only ever played on an outdoor rink making it into the professional leagues. 20 years ago, that might have happened. But parents now spend thousands of dollars per year putting their kids in training camps, travelling leagues, and all other sorts of expensive endeavors, making the sport completely inaccessible to low income families, and even middle income families who don't want to devote all their resources to the sport.

Re: Whites and Asians do esports because they can' (1)

Mashiki (184564) | about 8 months ago | (#46285613)

And the NHL, arguably more athletic and dangerous than the NBA or NFL, is 95+% white dudes. Explain that one!

Everyone knows that hockey is the national past time in Canada, as such we get a controlling stake in the say of who gets to play. No one, not even Americans can tell us otherwise. Now that I've let the secret out though, we can't have you spreading it around...

Hockey = Canada = 2.9% black (1)

raymorris (2726007) | about 8 months ago | (#46285775)

And the NHL ... is 95+% white dudes

Hockey is the national sport of Canada. Canada is 95+% white.

Once again.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285085)

Slashdot posting about a problem that doesn't exist.

This just in: only one in one hundred quilters are male! Where's the outcry?!?!

Likely due to regional and economic influences (1)

magamiako1 (1026318) | about 8 months ago | (#46285091)

All this study says to me is that White Males and Asian Males typically have more free time capable to dedicate to this sort of endeavor.

Re:Likely due to regional and economic influences (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285229)

Huh I thought black people got plenty of free time in jail.

We are not equal... (5, Insightful)

fredprado (2569351) | about 8 months ago | (#46285103)

Men and women are not equal in everything, regardless of what people may want to belief. There are differences in physical and mental capabilities, career inclinations and aspirations and a lot of other physical and psychological traits. Trying to conform men to women behavior and women to men behavior is a violence our political society tries to do to people, is ironically comparable to what it did in the past trying to make homosexual people straight.

In this day and age, where laws do not only grant equality of rights, but try to enforce equality of results, whenever there is a gender gap it is because it is part of what makes us different and the freer we get to choose the greater the gender gap will become. In a general manner, social gaps that can be closed by force are social gaps that should not be closed.

Re:We are not equal... (1)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 8 months ago | (#46285203)

I was tempted to post much the same thing, although I note that, for once, the summary isn't screaming "how do we fix this?!"

Re:We are not equal... (1)

jellomizer (103300) | about 8 months ago | (#46285353)

However if there is a case their may be an unnatural bias. Say for video game, most of the games played professionally are targeted towards male players.

Re:We are not equal... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285659)

However if there is a case their may be an unnatural bias. Say for video game, most of the games played professionally are targeted towards male players.

Why do you think that might be?

Surely if you just produced a game targeting females, you would instantly get rich by selling it to the massive unsatisfied gaming audience! I just wish that ALL game creators and ALL investors weren't so sexist that they were keeping that from happening. Oh wait - maybe there's another explanation...

Re:We are not equal... (2)

fredprado (2569351) | about 8 months ago | (#46285697)

Any unnatural bias solves itself eventually and naturally as long as the law is neutral. Medics and Lawyers were all men in the past. Today half are women. If Engineers and Pro-Gamers are mostly males maybe it is because women (as a group) do not want to do these tasks or are not very good at it, especially when they have even additional legal incentives and advantages in doing so compared to men.

Individual women and individual men are another history though. There is enough variance in human genome to produce some anomalies, but they are the exception and not the rule.

Disposable Income (1)

rmdingler (1955220) | about 8 months ago | (#46285111)

This is entirely intuition, but I suspect the average American youth of Asian or European descent has parents who make more money.

Not only does this provide more toys, it also allows more leisure for their offspring.

Re:Disposable Income (1)

Piata (927858) | about 8 months ago | (#46285727)

That doesn't seem to be the case. StarCraft II was $50 at launch but quickly adopted free to play multiplayer options. League of Legends was free from the start. A lot of pro e-sports players come from lower to middle class incomes that rent time on computers at the local internet cafe. In Korea and more recently North America and Europe, teams provide shared housing complete with food and a house maid so there inncentive to get good at these games.

If you need a specific example, Huk [wikipedia.org] had a pretty awful childhood and now lives in a team house, frequently sending money home to his dad and brother.

E-sports? (0)

Lumpy (12016) | about 8 months ago | (#46285115)

Really? Does this term really have serious traction or is it another blogger term that is being used for page clicks?
It's called Video Games, and real players embrace that term.

Re:E-sports? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285179)

Here in Belgium the news media at the moment often refer to games as E-sports. Depends on the type of game though, a math learning game for children is just a video game, but for example WoW or LoL is E-sports.

Re:E-sports? (1)

gnfnrf (39155) | about 8 months ago | (#46285217)

It is a common term in the ... fully professional competitive video game scene. And it's faster to type than that.

Lumpy how'd "eating your words" taste? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285233)

Since you like libeling me? You ran from this "Chumpy" -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... [slashdot.org]

(You sure "talk a good game" -> http://games.slashdot.org/comm... [slashdot.org] but you can't even produce a MERE SCRIPT!, windbag...)

You aren't even on the level of a "script kiddie", & full of HOT AIR!

You certainly won't reply there in that 2nd link I posted either, as that would remove your downmods to my posts like this one you can't validly disprove or justify your downmod on -> http://games.slashdot.org/comm... [slashdot.org]

Oh, I suspect that IS the case here (simply logging out of a registered account & trolling by ac is a common troll trick around here OR using alternate registered 'luser' accounts sockpuppets to do the job will also, & Lumpy is LOADED with those & trolling - which doesn't matter: He PROVES he's all talk, no action (or skills, OR brains, lol))

(You're all TALK, & NO action "CHUMPY!)

* :)

(You know it, I know it, & so does anyone reading AND laughing their asses off @ you now... lol!)

APK

P.S.=> Answer the question in the subject-line Lumpy - since you had to "eat your wrods" in the 1st link above flavored with your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH + the "bitter taste of SELF-defeat", lol...

... apk

Re:Lumpy how'd "eating your words" taste? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285389)

To some people, e-sport means stalking registered users on Slashdot to accuse them of "trolling by ac". The irony

Re:Lumpy how'd "eating your words" taste? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285745)

Lumpy libeled apk. Apk shot lumpy down with facts. Lumpy ran http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... [slashdot.org] when that post shut him up. That's how I see it.

Re:E-sports? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285235)

E-Sport is a real thing with wide use, yes. There's quite a bit of money involved as well, depending on which game.

Video games are called e-sports when played in a professional setting, in organized tournaments etc.

Re:E-sports? (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | about 8 months ago | (#46285407)

Well that is what they call the leagues/events, what else would they call it.

If you are talking about the events themselves, they have a lot more than traction. They are bigger than RL sports in many countries.

Re:E-sports? (1)

fsck-beta (3539217) | about 8 months ago | (#46285519)

That's because Koreans aren't manly enough for any real sports. They mature into 10 year old boys.

Women in Esports are there (1)

BisuDagger (3458447) | about 8 months ago | (#46285127)

Women in ESports are still making their mark on the scene. Early on it was just Tossgirl the first female pro to compete in all male leagues for Starcraft one. Along with her coach January coached one of the first Starcraft teams. And now Starcraft 2 is making head way for females in competitive gaming. "Ladies of the Swarm", http://wiki.teamliquid.net/sta... [teamliquid.net] , is a great tournament run by all women and has a pretty decent prizepool too. While females in competitive gaming is trailing behind there is no lack of involvement. The best interviewers, translators, and hosts for major Starcraft events are run by ladies. They all do a great job too and it has been a pleasure to meet many of them. Other then this being a slew of statistics, it doesn't really show anything new in the article or attempt to suggest solutions to this "problem." Females, whether gamers or ESports entertainers, get their opportunities as equally as men do. And in fact they are welcomed with open arms from the Starcraft community. And if it means anything, one of the top non-Korean progamers is a female.

in other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285143)

nothing but white bread at the Dave Matthews concert

Sample mean = population mean = OUTRAGE? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285149)

The vast majority of people who are serious enough about a game like SC2 or LOL to watch it online are male. Is it any surprise that the majority of attendees at an event who are there to watch it in person are male?

The majority of of the Major League Gaming events are in the United States. The percent of people in the USA that look like they're from the "Middle East" is vanishingly small. "Serious" gaming like SC2 or LOL requires a decent computer at the $500+ range. (monitors, keyboard, and mouse included) It also requires a decent internet connection especially in an age where LAN play is no longer widely available. A decent internet connection in the US costs at least $20 a month. Given the income distribution of the US (slanted heavily towards whites and asians), is it any surprise that the racial profile of competitive gamers mirrors that of people well off enough to afford the equipment?

Is there a gender gap in competitive chess? Yes. (Isolated/small team improvement training much like in gaming)

Is there a gender gap in competitive football? Yes. (Very high commitment of time and energy for a very small chance of making it big much like in gaming)

Is there a gender gap in computer science? Yes. (Many indications of passive/unconscious exclusion of women and blacks due to the attraction/selection/attrition process)

Is there a gender gap in cheerleading? Yes. (Social stereotypes that discourage many from participating if they are not $Physical Trait and $Racial Trait, people don't consider it a "real sport," etc.)

Why should we be surprised or upset that there's a gender gap in competitive gaming?

Alpha Male (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285157)

In my experience, most competitive/pro gamers have a Napoleon/Alpha Male complex. Congratulations, you're the best at playing a videogame! Those skills don't typically contribute to anything outside of gaming. It is not at all surprising to hear about a gender gap in competitive and pro gaming...

Re: Alpha Male (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285231)

First of all, games have been shown to increase reflexes, problem solving skills, creative thinking, and so on.

And real sports skills contribute little as well (maybe health benefits, but maybe athletes are injured in the process). Same with music skills or any other specialized entertainment skills. So your point is...?

Re: Alpha Male (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285365)

The point? That videogames aren't sports and that there is indeed a gender gap. Duh...

Gender gap: so what? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285165)

Prostitution Gender Gap: 95% female, 5% male.
I don't see social programs toward moving more males into prostitution. Nobody sees this a problem.
Why anyone should see gender inequality in gaming as 1st world problem?
Let girls be girls.

Different games (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285175)

Women play"games" like candy crush and farmville. That's why they don't watch e-sports.

Re:Different games (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | about 8 months ago | (#46285357)

SO the solution is simple. Make Farmville into a professional e-sport.

Oh God, No.

Add more pink and purple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285225)

And storytelling. Girls like storytelling.

So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285249)

Women can play e-sports too, if they are not as interested in it as men, so what?

she's got game (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285269)

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how do they know this? (2)

bitt3n (941736) | about 8 months ago | (#46285291)

WellPlayed, said, '[A] whopping 90-94% of the viewers were male, and interestingly enough, only about half of the remaining survey takers felt comfortable being identified as female.'

If half the remaining survey takers didn't reveal their sex (assuming this is in fact what is meant by the above), how can one profess to know they are female?

Re:how do they know this? (1)

sandytaru (1158959) | about 8 months ago | (#46285611)

I think the survey was 1. Male 2. Female 3. Do not want to disclose. 90-94% said they were male, and of the remaining 6-10%, half said they were female. The other half preferred not to say. But that does mean between 3-5% actually did identify as female.

Re:how do they know this? (1)

bitt3n (941736) | about 8 months ago | (#46285743)

I think the survey was 1. Male 2. Female 3. Do not want to disclose. 90-94% said they were male, and of the remaining 6-10%, half said they were female. The other half preferred not to say. But that does mean between 3-5% actually did identify as female.

If that is so, then it is incorrect to infer the sex of those who preferred not to disclose it.

Me = competitive, women = social? (2)

Stolpskott (2422670) | about 8 months ago | (#46285295)

My first instinct was to think that the competitive nature of e-sports would be more likely to attract men than women, as men are "naturally" more competitive when playing games, while women (in my experience) tend to play games either to socialize or relax. It is a very broad brush to paint the two sexes with, but as we are basically looking at a sub-section of men (those who are interested in playing or watching e-sports) versus an entire gender (women, specifically why are there not more of them playing/watching e-sports) any comparisons are going to be a bit disingenuous.
However, I suspect that a large percentage of people who chose not to declare their gender in the survey are doing so out of a sense of privacy, rather than a desire to hide the "fact" that they are women... unless they are also attending the venue where the survey is taken while wearing androgynous clothing designed to mask their gender, and expect to be pounced on like an antelope surrounded by a pack of hungry lions if there is even a hint of femininity (disturbingly, that is probably not far from the truth in some cases).

Re:Me = competitive, women = social? (1)

sandytaru (1158959) | about 8 months ago | (#46285637)

Actually, I think that may be part of it. There are individually competitive women, of course, but I think most women who have that kind of drive are already doing real sports. I personally find a lot more enjoyment in team-based video games and activities than in solo play, which is why "E-Sports" seems like a weird hobby to me despite the fact that I play games several hours a day.

How are they defining "gamer"? (4, Insightful)

ildon (413912) | about 8 months ago | (#46285329)

The problem with saying "half of gamers are female" is in how you identify someone as a "gamer." If you identify someone who plays phone games but doesn't own a console and hasn't purchased a AAA game since they left high school as a "gamer," you're not going to be pulling from the same pool as people who would be interested in actually playing StarCraft II or League of Legends competitively. For the purposes of identifying the gender game in e-sports, those casual gamers are not "gamers." And if that means that the pool of available players shifts to something like 75% male (I have no idea if this is true or not, this is entirely a hypothetical), then the gender gap does not appear *as* bad (but obviously would still exist). And if that means the pool shifts to 90% male, then the gender game as it applies to e-sports basically does not exist, because the gender gap in e-sports would be a result of the gender game in competitive games in general, and not an e-sports specific problem.

Typo (1)

ildon (413912) | about 8 months ago | (#46285337)

identifying the gender game in e-sports,

I meant "gender gap."

Re:How are they defining "gamer"? (1)

thesandtiger (819476) | about 8 months ago | (#46285597)

I agree with your idea that we're looking at the wrong populations, and actually would suggest that "e-sport" people aren't "gamers" but rather "people who play obsessively".

Look at the population of people who play a single game obsessively, then look at the population of people who play said game at the competitive level, and I'm sure any demographic gaps would disappear almost completely.

And this seals it. Woman are superior. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285345)

To be fare, we should have known better the moment 22 grown-ass men decided to get together and chase after a ball using nothing but their heads and feet...

Then again, there is the matter of shoes and jewellery...

Author shows their own bias :-( (2)

clay_shooter (1680300) | about 8 months ago | (#46285347)

Black and Middle Eastern esports fans are conspicuously missing.

Hispanics make up 17% of the US population and aren't mentioned at all. What's up with that?

Those of Middle Eastern ancestry make up .42% of the US population. That would be 4 people at a 1000 person convention. The small percentage makes it very easy to skew the over/under representation.

Girls play with barbies, boys play sports! OMFG! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285387)

Am I the only one who looks at these things and thinks, "Well, DUUUUUUhhh."

The marketing departments know it. The psychologists know it. Why does anyone think this is an issue?

If you hand my daughters a 4x4 post, they're going to sit it on end and dance around it.

If you had the same 4x4 post to my son, he's going to beat the shit out of things.

What makes the difference?

_BALLS_

So why is this considered a problem?

This seems like another veiled attack on masculinity to me.

Re:Girls play with barbies, boys play sports! OMFG (1)

Chrisq (894406) | about 8 months ago | (#46285525)

If you had the same 4x4 post to my son, he's going to beat the shit out of things.

hey .... is that you Dad? You need to pick me up at the local precinct again.

Players or Spectators? (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | about 8 months ago | (#46285391)

Make up your mind. The summery keeps switching between the two, like they are the same thing.

Gender roles, ethnic roles, pass the butter... (1)

wjcofkc (964165) | about 8 months ago | (#46285431)

I am one of those annoying socially progressive types that calls people and business out when I see them assigning genders roles to kids. The difference in male and female toy isles is a big pet peeve of mine. But that's not what I am here to comment on, I just want people to know where I am coming from regarding the following statements:

So we know that roughly half of all gamers are women yet nearly none attend these events. First, I would like to see a breakdown of game genre's between men and women. There are differences in the way we approach the world, and therefor the worlds these games provide. Of course this cannot be exclusive, my GF prefers Grand Theft Auto over Portal, so let's assume there is little difference in the games being played.

When Street Fighter x Tekken player Aris Bakhtanians made a string of uncomfortable sexual comments toward female teammate Miranda “SuperYan” Pakozdi while broadcasting live on a major event’s stream, the incident made international headlines far beyond the gaming press. Bakhtanians guessed at Pakozdi’s bra size and asked to watch her in the bathroom, among other comments.

Here's the problem: marketing. These events are being marketed to people with the mindset in my above quote from the article, because the marketers have a stereotypical, gender role assigning mindset and approach.

By contrast, nearly half of all video game players today are women and 46 percent of the Super Bowl viewing audience is female.

The NFL got things right. They took an event the was stereotypicaly assigned to men, realized they were missing half the potential viewership, and marketed successfully to both men and women.

WellPlayed, an esports production company, conducted the survey over the course of one year at the CLG Premiere Series (League of Legends, Feb. 2013), the Spring Promotion Tournament (League of Legends, Dec. 2013), and the Ender’s Game on Blu-Ray Tournament (StarCraft 2, Feb. 2014). Of the 2,040 respondents, 69 were female; 33 listed themselves as “other.”

The fact that an esports Production company is conducting this survey tells me that someone in their marketing department got a clue and realized they were only marketing to half their potential revenue stream. So in defense of the sexism, it's a brand new industry trying to figure itself and it's market out. To apply my own stereotype, I would be willing to venture that this entire business model originated from immature young males. If the survey is an indication that they are considering an environment friendly to both sides, marketing and advertising are powerful things and honestly I don't think it would take a whole lot to turn this mess around.

yawn (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285447)

Another great slashdot story, not
Who gives a fuck, why do I still visit this shit site?

Yeah, so what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285499)

Big deal. Not everything has to be gender neutral, or racially diverse. And if it's not, that's not evidence of a conspiracy or something that has to be corrected...

If women as a group really care - they can start a group...

If Race X as a group really cares, they too can start a group...

The groups can then choose (or not) to compete against each other...

what a stupid article (4, Insightful)

slashmydots (2189826) | about 8 months ago | (#46285509)

That's because testosterone makes us competitive and aggressive where as most women find a lot of games pointless. That is THE reason, this isn't a problem, this isn't sexism, and this isn't an article worth reading. The end.

The porn industry is sexist too! (2, Funny)

erroneus (253617) | about 8 months ago | (#46285539)

The porn industry has some amazingly sexist statistics. It's a very sexist industry. Something needs to be done about that!! We have to encourage more women to enjoy watching porn and more men to engage in producing it. Yeah... equality in all business and recreation. That's the ticket!

Study on the issue in more depth (5, Interesting)

Luckyo (1726890) | about 8 months ago | (#46285541)

http://psychology.wichita.edu/... [wichita.edu]

The numbers pretty much match up. This is simply a gender based preference. Argument that "women play more but are discriminated against in competitive scene" which is what these claims usually push appears to be patently false - the issue is that women are simply not interested in comeptitive gaming, preferring cooperative gaming instead.

Taxi drivers 90% male (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285695)

MACHISM OVER HERE!! smallcharacterstobalanceoff

A Couple of Thoughts (1)

EXTomar (78739) | about 8 months ago | (#46285709)

1. "It Is The Tools (Stupid)." And by that I mean "the tools" I mean the software used to watch and participate. None of this is exactly "user friendly" or easily discoverable. I don't play "League of Legends" but I do play "Dota 2" a lot and you have to actively follow reddit.com/r/Dota2 and know where to look for the information on the software let alone matches. It is difficult if not impossible to even use social "share" mechanism. And even using the hooks offered from Twitch.tv into FB/G+/Twitter just means your "regular" page becomes a spammy mess.

This isn't about "dumbing down" or "making it easy for girls". If you want casual players to participate by simply watching a match that can be a chore even for hard core gamers because they haven't followed "the scene".

2. I am suspicious of the data because a lot of the metrics that float around for "Dota 2" don't even collect "gender". Dotabuff.com catalogs a huge volume of stats on all matches played where it can tell you things win/loss of any particular hero, item popularity, stats for some players (that enable public posting), and a bunch of other tidbits but for all of the data and stat tracking it has it can't answer a simple question: How many matches where played by women? There are 530,000,000~ matches stored and yet there is no evidence supporting it either way. Using one survey at one event (is this even a major?) is the definition of "inconclusive".

Not news (1)

davidwr (791652) | about 8 months ago | (#46285721)

For nerds? Check. News? Not so much.

goes both ways (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46285747)

99% of men have some health care by the time they are adults but less then 99% of men are nurses. Why are we discriminating against men!

99% of men had a elementary school education but there are less then 50% male teachers discrimination i say!

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