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Ouya CEO Talks Console's Tough First Year, and Ambitious "Ouya Everywhere" Plan

samzenpus posted about 7 months ago | from the listen-up dept.

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Nerval's Lobster writes "As founder and CEO of the Ouya (pronounced "OOO-yah") game company, Julie Uhrman's mission has been to lure gamers back to their living room televisions. Touch-screen gaming on a smartphone or tablet is nice, she suggests, but a big screen, coupled with the precision of a controller with buttons and analog sticks, offers the best platform for immersive, emotionally engaging experiences. Soon enough, though, you shouldn't need an Ouya console to play Ouya games. Later this week, Uhrman plans to announce 'Ouya Everywhere,' an initiative to bring Ouya games to television sets that aren't connected to Ouya hardware. As a company, Ouya remains vague about just how Ouya Everywhere will work; but in an interview with Slashdot, Uhrman provided a rough idea of what to expect: 'It could be another set-top [box],' she said. 'It could be the TV itself. There's a number of different ways that games can be played on the television, and we're actively exploring all of them.' To be clear, Ouya isn't getting out of the hardware business. The company has promised relatively frequent hardware refreshes, and already upgraded the original Ouya's controller to address early complaints. The next version of the Ouya hardware 'at a minimum will have a higher performing chipset,' she said. 'We have done a lot of work on our controller and we feel like there is even more work to do. Those are the two big things we're focused on.' But while her company builds hardware, Uhrman insists that Ouya is 'really a software company. The largest team inside Ouya is software engineers.' (Ouya has 49 employees, 19 of them engineers.) Ouya arrived with great fanfare in 2012, after a $950,000 Kickstarter campaign met its goal in just eight hours. The fundraiser ended up raising $8.6 million, and Kickstarter backers received their consoles in March 2013."

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Ouya just isn't compelling (5, Insightful)

AtariDatacenter (31657) | about 7 months ago | (#46387567)

I was an original backer for the Ouya. The interface is a bit awkward, but worse, the software titles just aren't compelling. There doesn't seem to be a great reason to make an exclusive Ouya game, and anything you can find there you can get on your phone or another platform. Playing smartphone games on your TV just doesn't deliver any kind of wow factor. :(

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (1)

schneidafunk (795759) | about 7 months ago | (#46387627)

Never heard of this company before, do they have any games? What makes them different from other big name game companies?

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (5, Insightful)

hattig (47930) | about 7 months ago | (#46387659)

The devices run Android, and thus gain from being able to play Android games.

Ouya has its own app store where games that are optimised for the Ouya are sold. By optimised, I mean more than just targeting the hardware, but also how it is used - controller on a TV, rather than touch-screen device.

As you can imagine, this can be quite hit and miss. Additionally, the Ouya hardware fell behind the market fairly quickly because of its use of a Tegra 3 which is actually quite poor in terms of graphical power. A Tegra 4 iteration should do a lot to fix this, although a Tegra K1 would be most optimal.

If Apple cared about this market, they would stick an A7 in the next Apple TV and thrash the Ouya senseless with superior hardware, and their app store and developer mindshare (everyone would optimise their iOS games for the Apple TV fairly rapidly).

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | about 7 months ago | (#46387881)

If Apple cared about this market,

And they haven't.

I don't think we'll see apple make a move here any time soon.

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (3, Interesting)

fsck-beta (3539217) | about 7 months ago | (#46388009)

Actually with the iOS 7 controller support, this has been rumoured for the next generation AppleTV for quite some time. All sources point to an overhaul of the AppleTV later this year as well, likely related.

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | about 7 months ago | (#46388237)

Yeah, but I really take Apple rumors with a giant grain of salt. How many times have Apple rumors just simply been wrong?

There's a lot of smoke there, to be sure, but to guess what Apple is going to do is a fool's errand.

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (1)

fsck-beta (3539217) | about 7 months ago | (#46388547)

Sure, but strings representing the next-gen AppleTV have already showed up in iOS builds. Controller support is there. The rest is less concrete :)

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | about 7 months ago | (#46390487)

Like I said. A lot of smoke. Let's see if there's fire.

I think Apple could strike it huge here, since gaming wouldn't be the primary purpose. They can afford to fall a little flat and have it pick up later.

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (1)

fsck-beta (3539217) | about 7 months ago | (#46390791)

Agreed, I hope they give it a shot.

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (4, Insightful)

aardvarkjoe (156801) | about 7 months ago | (#46387913)

Additionally, the Ouya hardware fell behind the market fairly quickly because of its use of a Tegra 3 which is actually quite poor in terms of graphical power. A Tegra 4 iteration should do a lot to fix this, although a Tegra K1 would be most optimal.

I've really never bought this argument. The Ouya hardware compares quite favorably with xbox/ps2 generation of consoles, but there aren't many (if any) Ouya games that come close to the quality of games on those consoles. The problem is a lack of developers targetting Ouya, not a lack of capability of the hardware itself.

I'm very pleased with my Ouya -- it's easily been worth the cost -- but it's definitely got its weak points.

Audio latency and amateur hour (3, Interesting)

tepples (727027) | about 7 months ago | (#46388539)

I can see two reasons why major game developers might decline to port games to OUYA. One is Android's almost audio latency, which is far too high for some genres. Another is that some developers just don't want to be on the same platform as amateur hour.

Re:Audio latency and amateur hour (1)

aardvarkjoe (156801) | about 7 months ago | (#46388945)

Oh, I agree -- if I was making the calls for a major game developer, I probably wouldn't devote the resources to Ouya either. I'm just saying that the limitations of the hardware really aren't the primary reason why Ouya doesn't have very many high-quality games -- and I don't think that a hardware refresh with more power is going to substantially change that.

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (2)

MozeeToby (1163751) | about 7 months ago | (#46387927)

Additionally, the Ouya hardware fell behind the market fairly quickly because of its use of a Tegra 3 which is actually quite poor in terms of graphical power. A Tegra 4 iteration should do a lot to fix this, although a Tegra K1 would be most optimal.

By the time a company the size of Ouya designs, prototypes, tests, tweaks, retests, produces, and ships a product, there will be another generation or two beyond that available and they'll be behind again. Mobile CPU/GPU advancements are simply happening too quickly right now for them to be leveraged by anyone except the heaviest of heavy hitters.

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (1)

Jonny_eh (765306) | about 7 months ago | (#46388521)

With respect to hardware, cost is a big factor. Compare the price of the OUYA ($99, Tegra 3) to the Madcatz MOJO ($250, Tegra 4). And it's not fair to point at a subsidized phone either, since their true prices are in the many hundreds of dollars. Disclosure: I work at OUYA.

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (2, Informative)

Luthair (847766) | about 7 months ago | (#46387685)

Nothing. They suckered a bunch of people on Kickstarter with a game console based on Android

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46387689)

Vapourware company. They make broken consoles financed by marks err.. "crowdfunding".
Appearently spend a good part of their budget on slashvertisements.

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (2)

hattig (47930) | about 7 months ago | (#46387717)

Vapourware is a bit harsh. There were delays, and the end result is not the miracle hardware that some people expected for $100, but they did make and ship the hardware, controllers and create an app store that had games in it. They were also up front about the Ouya hardware, and people were free to consider whether or not they thought it was good enough for a cheap small games console.

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46388955)

They lied to people. Features they promised in the kickstarter were never delivered (ie open and hackable, the OUYA is a locked system), and when questioned on it, the company represenatives became abusive. When called on that, he deleted his posts from multiple forums. To further make things bad, the engineering on the OUYA was really poor. They did not follow standard industry practices, and they ignored the manufactures recommendations on the designs of the wireless subsystems, making them worthless. Add to that, software that was below alpha quality, and you have a pretty messed up system.

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (3, Interesting)

prelelat (201821) | about 7 months ago | (#46387951)

Your making it sound like a scam. First of all vapourware is something that never ships this did. Second of all they explained the goals and hardware of the device which they have met the hardware goals, though I don't think the software is exactly where it should be. Basically they want to be steambox with android as the OS. It's not a terrible goal but they needed more titles and backing from developers not just people buying it for a set top box that happens to play games. Which is pretty much what people are using it for now it would seem.

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (1)

Jaysyn (203771) | about 7 months ago | (#46388871)

Vaporware? I have an OUYA sitting in my living room you moron. Towerfall & Bombsquad are insanely fun.

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (4, Funny)

kamapuaa (555446) | about 7 months ago | (#46387701)

You have a six digit UID on Slashdot, and you've never heard of Ouya?

Do you at least know what Raspberry Pi or Bitcoins are?

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (0)

houghi (78078) | about 7 months ago | (#46387897)

Food, right? Chocelate coins and some variation on apple pie.

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46387975)

I love that it's another 6-digit UID telling him off here, and one with a lower ID at that. The system works!

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (1)

thb3 (19142) | about 7 months ago | (#46388029)

So should I tell you both off since I have a 5-digit UID?

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (3, Funny)

CCarrot (1562079) | about 7 months ago | (#46388305)

So should I tell you both off since I have a 5-digit UID?

It's not the length that counts, but how you use it...

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (1)

DynoMutt (16110) | about 7 months ago | (#46390493)

Is it against the Slashdot TOS to sell accounts?

Apparently, it's a thing in some states with low-digit car license plates to put them up for auction.

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (1)

Sockatume (732728) | about 7 months ago | (#46388025)

I didn't realise that six digits carried any sort of prestige. I must be getting old.

There will be a four-digit user along any moment to put us in our place.

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46388161)

The idea was that you're not a newbie and Slashdot talks about Ouya ALL THE TIME.

Not that 6 digits have prestige.

Also, there are these websites called Google or Ouya you could have gone to, instead of just asking "what is Ouya? I've never heard of it!"

Do you do this to all Slashdot stories? Like on the George Sanger interview, do you post "who is George Sanger? I've never heard of him!"

Underpromoted to the general public (1)

tepples (727027) | about 7 months ago | (#46390103)

Also, there are these websites called Google or Ouya you could have gone to, instead of just asking "what is Ouya? I've never heard of it!"

I think the point is that most people who have heard of OUYA are people who hang out on sites like Slashdot. It didn't get nearly enough mainstream TV coverage, for example.

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (1)

CronoCloud (590650) | about 7 months ago | (#46388169)

I didn't realise that six digits carried any sort of prestige. I must be getting old.

You must be new here.

There will be a four-digit user along any moment to put us in our place.

Yep, telling us about Hot Grits, Natalie Portman and $$$ Profit.

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (2)

rwa2 (4391) | about 7 months ago | (#46390225)

There will be a four-digit user along any moment to put us in our place.

Yep, telling us about Hot Grits, Natalie Portman and $$$ Profit.

No, you're thinking of the 3-digit UIDs.

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (1)

sootman (158191) | about 7 months ago | (#46389729)

Holy cow, six-digit IDs are low now? Sweet!

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (1)

wed128 (722152) | about 7 months ago | (#46390465)

I know...

Everything is coming up Millhouse!

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (3, Insightful)

i kan reed (749298) | about 7 months ago | (#46387651)

Having very high expectations for a kickstarter project, no matter how well financed, is setting yourself up for disappointment. In spite of all the corporate bullshit that gets rolled into the designs, major consoles have gone through multiple iterations in business practices that help encourage development for their consoles.

It needs to support all the emulators (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46387865)

That's the main reason people want it. I know they can't come out and say it but have it support everything.

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46388315)

Nobody really wanted it to play original games, they just wanted to play pirated games on emulators.

Ouya's last dying hope is get something like a Steam store with no pirate-enabling content on it onto SmartTV's like Samsung and LG instead of proprietary or GoogleTV (which is also Android) stores. Kill the emulators and show no tolerance for shovelware and, maybe developers might have some compelling reason to build for it.

And just to hit the pirate button again. We're not talking about people who rip their CD/DVD's to play them on their smart devices, we're talking about assholes who download roms, fansubs, scanlations, and other types of obvious piracy with no intent of ever paying a penny for content. These are Ouya's customers right now.

The device itself is not compelling enough to have as a separate settop box. They would have had a better time had it been all integrated into the controller and "just add any Miracast capable TV. But that would suck power so hard that the controller itself would have to be plugged in, and be heavy.

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (1)

CronoCloud (590650) | about 7 months ago | (#46389609)

Nobody really wanted it to play original games, they just wanted to play pirated games on emulators.

Considering how many times we saw something like the following in the old Ouya stories:

Yeah even if the Ouya store games suck, I'll be able to load up emulators for all my NES/SNES/MAME ROMS

What is shovelware, in the first place? (1)

tepples (727027) | about 7 months ago | (#46390151)

Kill the emulators

That would mean not allowing games to be written in Java or JavaScript. Technically, Dalvik and V8 are just as much an emulator as, say, EMUya. The only way I can think of to fully kill "emulators", in the sense of anything that allows an infringing copy of a video game for an old platform to run, would be to charge a recurring fee for the ability to test a program that you wrote on hardware that you purchased.

and show no tolerance for shovelware

People are likely to disagree on whether a particular game meets any given definition of shovelware. Which definition of shovelware are you even using?

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46390623)

And just to hit the pirate button again. We're not talking about people who rip their CD/DVD's to play them on their smart devices, we're talking about assholes who download roms, fansubs, scanlations, and other types of obvious piracy with no intent of ever paying a penny for content.

And what, exactly, do you expect the console maker to do about these people copying data that you don't want them to copy? Lock it down (even more) like the other crappy consoles? Then it just becomes worthless proprietary junk.

Difference between iPhone and console lockdown (1)

tepples (727027) | about 7 months ago | (#46391273)

And what, exactly, do you expect the console maker to do about these people copying data that you don't want them to copy? Lock it down (even more) like the other crappy consoles?

Excuse my happy medium fallacy [wikipedia.org] , but perhaps a console maker could just lock it down like Apple iOS. Run only Apple-approved programs out of the box, but let any adult buy into the developer program for $1047 for the first year and $99 for each additional year. (Those who already have a sufficiently recent Mac get a $649 discount.) The key difference between Apple's developer program and those offered by major console makers is that an Apple iOS developer doesn't first need to sell several games on another platform to prove "relevant video game industry experience" before being allowed to join.

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (1)

lance_of_the_apes (2300548) | about 7 months ago | (#46388415)

I was an original backer for the Ouya. The interface is a bit awkward, but worse, the software titles just aren't compelling. There doesn't seem to be a great reason to make an exclusive Ouya game, and anything you can find there you can get on your phone or another platform. Playing smartphone games on your TV just doesn't deliver any kind of wow factor. :(

Non-compelling titles and not much reason for developers to target the Ouya platform pretty much sums it up. Also, for all the hype concerning the controller, it's not very well-designed and the buttons stick.

I'm still rooting for them, but the execution was pretty disappointing.

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (1)

fsck-beta (3539217) | about 7 months ago | (#46388563)

Given how much they touted the controller, the research, the manufacturing iterations, etc: it is really *bad*. Input isn't lag free, buttons don't feel good, the quality in your hand is quite low. That is what made me most disappointed :/

Re:Ouya just isn't compelling (1)

VIPERsssss (907375) | about 7 months ago | (#46388757)

After seeing the Amazing Frog video, I kinda want to buy one just so I can be the Ribbit King!

Ouya (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46387571)

More like Booyah -First post!

Rename it the "Ouya Nowhere" plan (0)

JoeyRox (2711699) | about 7 months ago | (#46387587)

That way they can declare it a smashing success.

Re:Rename it the "Ouya Nowhere" plan (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46388843)

Plus this admission is hilarious after all the previous articles about it on Slashdot had delusional nerds claiming that Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft should have feared it and how it was going to destroy their businesses because of "zOMG teh opens!!!". Looks like the Penny Arcade guy was right despite all the flak he received.

Some simple advice (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46387605)

As founder and CEO of the Ouya (pronounced "OOO-yah") game company, Julie Uhrman's mission has been to lure gamers back to their living room televisions.

That's going to be difficult with a silly, stupid, gay name like "Ouya." Marketing 101, Julie, you failed it.

I don't get it, Tom (0)

Hognoxious (631665) | about 7 months ago | (#46387859)

It's named after a kind of bird that lays square eggs.

I wonder how much Dice was paid (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46387643)

I wonder how much Dice was paid for this blatant Slashvertisement. Perhaps it is enough to fix Beta? Our goal should be to starve Beta until it's small enough to drown in a bathtub.

Deja Vu (0)

atomice (228931) | about 7 months ago | (#46387665)

1. Ouya
2. Ouya Everywhere
3. ???
4. Profit

Would this in any way be related to:

1. Amiga
2. Amiga Anywhere
3. ???
4. Profit

?

Re:Deja Vu (1)

Dusthead Jr. (937949) | about 7 months ago | (#46387907)

Are you refering to the Commodore CDTV and the CD32. Game systems so obscure that even among rare system collectors it hardly gets mentioned. Even the Bandai/Apple Pippin gets more recognition.

Re:Deja Vu (1)

Sockatume (732728) | about 7 months ago | (#46388015)

Ah, Commodore's entry into "multimedia" and the "superconsole" race, respectively. Famously just worse and more expensive versions of the A500 and A1200, two machines which could already plug into a TV and work perfectly well as a games console. (And which were cheap new or second hand already.) At least the Ouya doesn't have that to compete with: it's cheap, and current tablets don't quite-as-conveniently connect to the television.

They need more games... (2)

camazotz (1242344) | about 7 months ago | (#46387671)

...that don't look and smell like shovelware. There are enough good games on the Ouya to have kept me from regretting my purchase, though. And of the games I've bought I've spent far more time playing them on the Ouya than any of the fancier games on my Nexus 7 simply because the touch screen interface is a pain in the butt, and a controller remains the best way to do this. Ouya's been fun enough for my household at least that I'll keep supporting them as long as the price remains right.

Re:They need more games... (1)

hattig (47930) | about 7 months ago | (#46387687)

Can you use the Ouya controller with your Nexus 7? It is a standard Bluetooth controller, yeah?

Re:They need more games... (1)

kcbnac (854015) | about 7 months ago | (#46387811)

I was able to hook mine up to my Windows 7-running desktop, and use it for the Steam Big Picture mode; not everything worked out-of-the-box and I didn't putz with it to get it fully functional; but a little tweaking and it'd probably be perfect. (This was ~Sept 2013 or so)

There is also an Android App "Blue Board" that lets you use your Android phone or tablet as an input device on the Ouya (You install it on both the Ouya and controlling device). Makes keyboard input much easier (if you're using it for web surfing and such).

Re:They need more games... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46388399)

Why would you want to? The Ouya controller isn't very good and not particularly cheap.

Re:They need more games... (2)

tepples (727027) | about 7 months ago | (#46390177)

Because Google broke Wii Remote support in Android 4.2.

appricate your voice (-1, Offtopic)

uandme90 (3525965) | about 7 months ago | (#46387673)

We have done a lot of work on our controller and we feel like there is even more work to do. Those are the two big things we're focused on.' But while her company builds hardware, Uhrman insists that Ouya is 'really a software company. The largest team inside Ouya is software engineers.' (Ouya has 49 employees, 19 of them engineers.) Ouya arrived with great fanfare in 2012, after a $950,000 Kickstarter campaign met its goal in just eight hours. The fundraiser ended up raising $8.6 million, and Kickstarter backers received their consoles in March 2013. flappy bird hack highscore [getyourhacks.com] get free access and high score in flappy bird android apk games on play store.

Sorry Ouya. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46387703)

I wanted to like it because of what it supposedly stood for and meant but at the end of the day it was buggy, laggy, and had one of the worst and least responsive controllers I have ever used. Some of the games (top games too) are embarrassingly bad. Luckily I bought mine after KS and could return it, which I did.

Re:Sorry Ouya. (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | about 7 months ago | (#46388269)

Doesn't really surprise me. There's a few reasons that gamepads for consoles cost $40+, and one if them is because it costs a lot to make a quality game pad. If MadCatz and others could make a quality gamepad and undercut the first party guys, you know they would, but instead the only way to undercut the first party controllers is to make them terrible. I knew from the outset of the project that they wouldn't be able to provide a good Android box and controller for $100. Looking at the price of the components seperately, I was pretty sure they wouldn't be able to make that work financially.

Whatever (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46387753)

Even if you *gave* me this PoS, I wouldn't use it. Just go bankrupt already so people stop bringing this pathetic waste up as a console.

Just don't get it (1)

tom229 (1640685) | about 7 months ago | (#46388033)

I just don't understand what kind of market these are going for. These retail for $129. A Wii U is $250, the PS4 retails for $399, and Steam boxes are coming soon. So who would buy one of these? And why would I want to play silly little android games on my TV? I barely want to play them on my phone.

The only use I could see would be to run emulators and play old Nintendo, Super Nintendo, etc roms on it. Of course you could just spend $20 on a gamekilp [thegameklip.com] to accomplish this. And it's pretty trivial to share your phone screen with your tv these days if you wanted to play it on there.

Re:Just don't get it (1)

ChaseTec (447725) | about 7 months ago | (#46388235)

A gameklip gives you portable gaming which OUYA can't offer. A better comparison would be a slimport/mhl adapter to add HDMI out to your phone and the SixAxis app to pair a PS3 controller over bluetooth. If you already have a phone then buying these accessories is cheaper than an OUYA and you get a better controller and a larger selection of games.

And for people whose phone is not smart (1)

tepples (727027) | about 7 months ago | (#46390477)

If you already have a phone

I already have a phone, but I haven't been able to find a lot of games for an Audiovox 8610, other than the Blackjack game and Columns clone it comes with.

Let me word it less flippantly: Some people don't have a smartphone. They would rather save money by carrying a separate prepaid dumbphone and tablet or a dumbphone and compact laptop than pay $400 a year extra for a cellular data plan. This includes, for example, parents of kids who have a phone just for arranging rides and other urgent purposes.

Re:Just don't get it (1)

aardvarkjoe (156801) | about 7 months ago | (#46388265)

These retail for $129. A Wii U is $250, the PS4 retails for $399, and Steam boxes are coming soon. So who would buy one of these?

They retail for $99, and sometimes you've been able to get them on sale for less than that. There's a big difference between $100 and $250 (or $400).

If you're buying a PS4, then you're not the target market here. I don't play enough games to make it worthwhile to buy one of the expensive consoles. The Ouya, on the other hand, is the right price.

Re:Just don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46388875)

They retail for $99, and sometimes you've been able to get them on sale for less than that. There's a big difference between $100 and $250 (or $400).

Yep, the latter two buy you consoles with good controllers and games. The former buys you junk.

Re:Just don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46389125)

that's the problem with Ouya, what IS their target market? I've never figured that out.

Re:Just don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46389279)

Cheapskate freetards.

Re:Just don't get it (1)

gIobaljustin (3526197) | about 7 months ago | (#46390717)

What does that even mean?

Re:Just don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46391125)

English motherfucker. Do you speak it?

Re:Just don't get it (1)

gIobaljustin (3526197) | about 7 months ago | (#46391199)

"Cheapskate freetards" is a useless phrase. "freetards" alone is a ridiculous term. If you're going to use that kind of "English," then I don't want to speak it.

Re:Just don't get it (1)

CronoCloud (590650) | about 7 months ago | (#46389839)

.

I don't play enough games to make it worthwhile to buy one of the expensive consoles.

The "expensive" consoles get you better games.

$199, gets you a PS3, which has:

Access to a HUGE amount of games on PSN including PS3 games, PSN exclusives, PS2 remasters, PSone classics and mini's which are phone/tablet style games.
PS3 games on Disc.
PSone games on disc. Yes, PSone game discs work in ANY PS3, even the ones that can't play PS2 discs.
A 3D capable blu-ray player
An upscaling DVD Player
A CD player and ripper.
Access to video via several services: PSN, Amazon Instant Video, Vudu, Cinemanow, Netflix, Youtube, Hulu Plus.
An actual web browser.
Photo viewer/editor.
DLNA support.

Right now, the PS3 is a bargain at $199. Worth picking up if you don't have one already. Admittedly the $199 model in stores only comes with 12GB of storage, but you can upgrade the hard drive easily. Add on $49 of Playstation plus and get a TON of free high-quality games for that price.

Re:Just don't get it (1)

aardvarkjoe (156801) | about 7 months ago | (#46390045)

The "expensive" consoles get you better games.

Which doesn't matter, if playing those games is not worth the extra price to you.

Why are some people so obsessed with the idea that everyone has to place equal values on things? I don't think you're "wrong" for not wanting an Ouya. And I'm not "wrong" for not wanting a PS3.

Roku (1)

tepples (727027) | about 7 months ago | (#46390501)

If games aren't worth the extra price of a PlayStation 3 over an OUYA console, then why not get a Roku box instead? At least it has all the noninteractive video streaming services.

Re:Roku (1)

aardvarkjoe (156801) | about 7 months ago | (#46390853)

I said "those games" (referring to the parent poster's statement that the PS3 has "better games") not just games in general. Of course people who buy an Ouya want to play games. But to me, having those PS3 games is not worth the price of admission.

Those who claim that you can get a better gaming experience for "only" double or triple the cost are completely missing the point. For some people, there is zero chance that they will spend the money required for a big-name console. The choice is not between Ouya and a PS3; the choice is between Ouya and not having a game console. Which is where I was at for many years until the Ouya came along.

Obviously the market is not big. Those who thought that the Ouya was going to outsell the next-gen consoles got a reality check. But there really are people for which it's a good fit. It seems like whenever it comes up in discussions, there are a lot of people that believe that since it wouldn't suit them, anyone who likes it is wrong.

Re:Just don't get it (1)

CronoCloud (590650) | about 7 months ago | (#46390679)

I don't think you're "wrong" for not wanting an Ouya. And I'm not "wrong" for not wanting a PS3.

Let me explain my side of it, hopefully better.

I see those tablet/phone style games as "mostly inferior" to the ones available on the PS3. Even Minecraft PE isn't as good as the PS3 version.

Now if you're on a phone/tablet without your PS3 around, that's a different story, you're stuck with mostly-crappy phone/tablet games...unless you got a DSfoo/PSP/Vita

But the Ouya is intended to sit in the living room next to the TV. And frankly, as a gaming machine, the PS3 is utterly superior to that Ouya. Maybe if all you want is the sort of cheap shovelware games available on phones/tablets that's okay, but when folks such as I consider them inferior...it's not.

And considering that one of the "big tips" for making Ouya a better gaming platform is connecting up a PS3's DualShock 3, installing emulators and playing Nintendo games on it...well you might forgive me for considering the thing a bad buy, even for cheap indie 2D games, compared to a PS3. And yes, there are cheap indie 2D games on the PS3.

Compare this:

https://www.ouya.tv/ouyas-best... [www.ouya.tv]

to this:

http://www.complex.com/video-g... [complex.com]

Re:Just don't get it (1)

tepples (727027) | about 7 months ago | (#46391351)

Perhaps OUYA is supposed to be a platform on which developers can gain the experience that would lead to founding a "real" game studio.

Re:Just don't get it (1)

aardvarkjoe (156801) | about 7 months ago | (#46391451)

I see those tablet/phone style games as "mostly inferior" to the ones available on the PS3.

Maybe part of the problem is that many people see the Ouya as being a way to play tablet/phone games on your TV. Although there's a lot of (generally not very well done) ports of phone games -- expected, given that doing so is so easy for the developer -- those really aren't the best games on the Ouya.

And frankly, as a gaming machine, the PS3 is utterly superior to that Ouya.

As a "gaming machine?" Sure. But in terms of a gaming experience? That's a matter of opinion. What matters for a good gaming experience is the enjoyment that the player gets, and I get just as much enjoyment out of the Ouya as I would get from a PS3. And I've got an extra $100 (or more) in my pocket to spend on other forms of entertainment.

It's a bad buy for you. You're obviously at least somewhat serious about your video games, and they're worth more to you than they are to me. It's not a bad buy for everyone.

Re:Just don't get it (1)

NotDrWho (3543773) | about 7 months ago | (#46390749)

I just don't understand what kind of market these are going for.

I think the original idea was to market this thing to deadbeat dads. They would stock them in drugstores and Dollar General stores so that loser dads could run in and grab a "game console" for their kid's birthday at the last minute after an all-night bender at the bar--all without having to spend too much of their beer budget. IIRC, "Get your kid a game console, just like their goddamn sober stepdad!" was the original marketing slogan.

Product / Brand Names? (2)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | about 7 months ago | (#46388055)

As founder and CEO of the Ouya (pronounced "OOO-yah")

Never understand why people start up companies with difficult-to-pronounce names.

Here's a tip: If you have to *tell* people how to pronounce the name of your company / product then you have the wrong name!

Re:Product / Brand Names? (1)

erroneus (253617) | about 7 months ago | (#46388105)

I dunno... Ikea seems to be doing pretty well.

Names that aren't taken (1)

tepples (727027) | about 7 months ago | (#46390247)

Never understand why people start up companies with difficult-to-pronounce names.

Because someone else already registered the easy ones with some trademark office. Besides, it varies by language. A lot of English speakers initially mispronounced "Wii" as "why" instead of the correct "we". (See Luigi's Final Smash [dagobah.net] .) And I'm told the "Ekkusu-Bokkusu" from "Maikurosofuto" is a bit of a tongue-twister for a Japanese speaker.

Spoiler Alert! (1)

erroneus (253617) | about 7 months ago | (#46388089)

I know how Ouya is going to do Ouya Everywhere without Ouya equipment. They will broadcast from all cell towers on Channel 3. So just change to Channel 3 and you will get Ouya Everywhere. You call in to an 800# using your touch tone keypad to act as a controller.

We know how to pronounce Ouya (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46388093)

Please stop treating us like idiots.

It's a good media player (3, Interesting)

RKThoadan (89437) | about 7 months ago | (#46388385)

I got mine mostly for a xbmc media player and occasional gaming. It took a little while for them to work the kinks out with the xbmc folks, but it's pretty stable now. We play games very rarely.

I think their policy that all games must have a free trial of some kind may be hurting them, and encouraging in-app purchase games, which I can't stand. I think it would be a great market for retro-classics, but I really don't want to think about someone making Pac-Man with a trial version.

Re:It's a good media player (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about 7 months ago | (#46389699)

I think their policy that all games must have a free trial of some kind may be hurting them

This is true. Demos don't make sales. It's incredibly hard to make a good demo of a game. You have to simultaneously provide enough content to show off the game while also not giving the player enough game so that they don't feel satisfied with just the demo. Since people try games on impulse, based on curiosity, one could use videos and hype to drive curiosity so they plunk down the money and buy the game to try it out (lather, rinse repeat); This works but Ouya forbids this. Instead out of curiosity someone plays a demo, is at least somewhat sated, and even if they like the game will probably forget about it since there are plenty of other curious demos to investigate right now.

Combine this with the added complexity of adding in app purchases to unlock game features, and the obvious hackability around having a full game on an open platform that is arbitrarily limited... and you can see that the micro transaction model is really the only option left for making money on Ouya. Most games do not lend themselves to this -- None of mine do, and as a dev I abhor the practice anyhow -- You wouldn't put limitations on painters or singers or other artists due to monetization, why would you do it to game devs?

Ouya claims to bring more freedom and choice to developers and players, but it doesn't. On any other platform I can choose NOT to sell my game with in app purchases, just put out a video, some screenshots, and if you like it, buy it -- Not on Ouya. Less choice is not more freedom. Demo? Nope, try a friend's copy first, which is how you probably hear about it anyway. A couple of bux isn't going to break the bank even if you find you don't like the game, and the arcade and console generations did pretty well without a free to play or demo version...

Games are primarily not their graphics, but mechanics, so the lower power isn't much of an issue for me -- To a game dev the platform is merely an art medium to work within, like a painter's canvas and palette; Some folks like working in limited mediums, the platforms add their character to the game itself. For me, Ouya is all about the dumb-ass free-to-play requirement. Hint: The time it takes to develop and test a demo version just to comply with Ouya's mandatory monetization policy is rarely worth the sales I get there. IMHO, Ouya should be renamed the Orwellya. The opposite is true of nearly everything their propaganda presents.

Knee-Deep in the Dead (1)

tepples (727027) | about 7 months ago | (#46390289)

It's incredibly hard to make a good demo of a game. You have to simultaneously provide enough content to show off the game while also not giving the player enough game so that they don't feel satisfied with just the demo.

Doom by Id Software, a first-person shooter for PC, managed it by ending the free-to-play episode "Knee-Deep in the Dead" on a cliffhanger. After this, the player could pay once to unlock "The Shores of Hell" and "Inferno", and later copies came with a fourth episode "Thy Flesh Consumed".

Demo? Nope, try a friend's copy first

How can someone do that in the Internet era, when one's "friends" likely live hundreds of miles or hundreds of kilometres away? Are you referring to Steam library lending, or do some games let players invite another player to a trial through a streaming service such as OnLive?

and the arcade and console generations did pretty well without a free to play or demo version

Arcades don't require the player to pay full price just to try the game once. They also serve refreshments and provide an immersive environment.

Bad Name (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46388465)

Thanks for listing the pronunciation. I've reading about these guys for nearly 2 years and I've never seen the official pronunciation before.

In my head it has always been a vaguely japanese-sounding "OH-you-uh" i've been mentally pronouncing it that way for so long I am actually having a hard time reading it as ooh-yah now. Say la vee!

When you turn one on (1)

tepples (727027) | about 7 months ago | (#46390353)

Every time you cold boot an OUYA console it plays a recording of the name.

Cheap and nasty junk = con (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46388639)

When the consoles finally arrived, the full extent of the con became apparent. Despite the unthinkable financial success of the 'Kickstarter', the hardware and software of the Ouya was found to be as cheap and nasty as it could possibly be. And please, spare me the crap and lies about the 'difficulty' for a new company creating first quality consumer goods- this is hardly the fist time so-called 'enthusiasts' have entered the hardware field, and previous examples, while rarely financially successful, have delivered perfectly good hardware.

This whole project is just a way to put a maximum amount of money into Julie Uhrman's personal bank account. A woman taking advantage of nerds- who would have guessed?

Want to game on Android via a monitor?. Well, let me say this slowly...

1) get a good tablet that runs when the charger in plugged in.
2) Buy a radio linked joypad for the tablet
3) Install Joypad to 'screen touch' mapping software

OR, simply pick up Nvidia's SHIELD console/tablet/remote PC gaming device.

OR, simply pick up a gaming tablet with inbuilt joypad and connect to the monitor.

The ONLY reason to buy an Ouya is to make Julie Uhrman rich(er).

But are they sold in a store near me? (1)

tepples (727027) | about 7 months ago | (#46390407)

OR, simply pick up a gaming tablet with inbuilt joypad and connect to the monitor.

The problem is that Android tablets with built-in discrete buttons weren't sold in stores when OUYA got funded. The closest thing was an Xperia Play, but that was priced for subsidy with a voice and data plan. Since then, plenty of gaming tablets have arrived, such as the Archos GamePad, NV's Shield, and various JXD models. But few have made it into U.S. brick-and-mortar video game stores or electronics stores or been promoted on television.

Forced Credit Card Scam (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46388675)

Bought an Ouya and was unable to do anything without entering a credit card number. Seriously you can not even go to the main menu.

Once they have your info purchasing full version games is one button slip away and they ask you to do it with a pop up window while playing.

Returned it same day to target.

Parental control (1)

tepples (727027) | about 7 months ago | (#46390455)

Doesn't the system menu have a parental control that requires a PIN entry to buy anything paid?

why it bombed (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | about 7 months ago | (#46388967)

It's basically a freaking Linux steambox without a mouse. Mice are the #1 reason PC gamers are better than console gamers. I'd rather eat a pineapple blindfolded with my hands tied behind my back than aim a gun with a joystick. THAT is why the console failed. Moronic console monkeys already have 3 console choices with better game selections. They're perfectly happy living in their own little zoo that already exists. Geekier gaming enthusiasts use REAL computers, not an Ouya.

Re:why it bombed (1)

CronoCloud (590650) | about 7 months ago | (#46389571)

Mice are the #1 reason PC gamers are better than console gamers.

SILENCE you Dirty Elitist PC Gamer Bourgeosie!

Before there were gaming PC's in the home, there were consoles. WE are the original superior species, not you dirty overly entitled spoiled trash wasting money on hardware instead of games. And then you do nothing but play a single free game or map over and over again and consider yourselves "athletes" or "playing an e-sport". Dirty Cheap PC Gamer Philistines! Real gamers play multiple games and genres, not just WoW, LOL, Counter-Strike or Team Fortress.

Mice are for unskilled twats with zero thumb dexterity who think they're elite for getting easy headshots. BAH, real shooters aim for center of mass, headshots shouldn't be easy, they should be HARD.

 

I'd rather eat a pineapple blindfolded with my hands tied behind my back than aim a gun with a joystick. THAT is why the console failed.

Id rather eat a pineapple blindfolded than move my character with a keyboard. But that is not why Ouya has issues. Ouya games are tablet/phone games, they don't need a mouse so the lack of one isn't an issue.

Geekier gaming enthusiasts use REAL computers, not an Ouya.

Geekier gaming enthusiasts use REAL consoles running BSD variants, not an Ouya or machine with That Inferior Piece of Trash Windows installed.

Multiple mice on one PC (1)

tepples (727027) | about 7 months ago | (#46390437)

Mice are the #1 reason PC gamers are better than console gamers.

When your friends come visit your house/apartment and want to play video games with you on the TV in the living room, how many mice can you plug into one PC and have them work?

I'd rather eat a pineapple blindfolded with my hands tied behind my back than aim a gun with a joystick.

So why was Centipede one of the few arcade shooters to use a mouse-like control instead of a joystick? Not all shooters are first-person.

I like the Ouya (1)

gatkinso (15975) | about 7 months ago | (#46388995)

It is a fun little console. Some of the sames, while simplistic, are quite pretty and are fun (Ballistic is a good example of this).

That said, I realize I am in the tiny minority.

And the other 30? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#46390121)

'Ouya has 49 employees, 19 of them engineers'

Start there...

With a few changes, could be great! (3, Insightful)

RanceJustice (2028040) | about 7 months ago | (#46390729)

I was an original Kickstarter backer of the Ouya. I have my "chocolate metallic" version sitting right next to my bedroom TV at the moment. Overall, I've been happy with the little box. For $99, it is probably the best "network media player" out there, with XBMC for Android installed. The fact that it plays games is simply a plus. The hardware was sufficiently powerful and of good quality at the time it launched (aside from the snafu with the first controllers). However, there are only a handful of things that keep it from being the magic device everyone spoke of, and most of them are only semi-technical decisions that could easily be reversed.

First of all, one of the biggest failings in my mind is that while it is very close to an Android device, it isn't exactly compatible with every Android app. Now most of them can be sideloaded by a technically proficient user, but I think they'd do much better of instead of having an Ouya OS that is essentially designed to disguise the "androidness" of the whole thing, it should highlight it. Offer a core AOSP experience, frequently updated (last I checked the OuyaOS is based on Android 4.1), and offer a custom, FOSS UI that is made to be navigated with the controller instead. Make it easy for people to update and use Android apps! Put installers for other app stores in the Ouya marketplace when possible, even! Let people load up Netflix for Android etc... They are paying the price in terms of content and developers coming to the platform because it is seen as an additional platform, not simply as hardware that can be tapped by those already developing on Android! They had a great idea with it being an "open" console, but it would be even more 'open' if it was completely Android compliant!

Next, they should have provided users a better installed experience from the very start. While I've gotten tons of use out of my Ouya with XBMC, I had to find the correct Android alpha build that had all the proper flags and sideload it, then launch it from the "Make" entry on the Ouya menu (because all sideloaded stuff basically requires developer-are access - not hard to acquire of course, but it does present a barrier. They could have made a separate menu for sideloaded content that was more accessible). Why wasn't it installed by default, and automatically updated? Way back in the beginning, the company stated they were working with XBMC for compatibility etc.. why wasn't it installed on every Ouya? Or at least, available in the Ouya Store to be installed with a few button presses? This was a simple change that really could have made it a much better out of the box experience for a ton of people. An Ouya with XMBC alone is a better media streamer that is more powerful and flexible than competing "WDTV" style boxes, for the same or a much lower price!

Ouya should take a page from Valve! They seems to be doing the right thing with regards to SteamOS / Steam Machines, by basing it on a fully open and compliant Linux distro, thereby making it easy for anyone who wanted to add any other repo or download any other Linux program. Ouya should react the same with with regards to Android. Make a great experience for their game/app repository, but bring in the entire Android community through compatibility. The current and future Ouya hardware could come to be known as the premiere device in its price range, in a sea of Android gumsticks and other devices, but only if they fully embrace the inclusiveness of the Android community, give users options, as well as a fantastic out of the box experience.

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