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Minecraft Creator Halts Plans For Oculus Version Following Facebook Acquisition

Unknown Lamer posted about 6 months ago | from the rash-decisions dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Not one hour after the announcement of the the acquisition of Oculus Rift by Facebook yesterday, Markus 'Notch' Persson has announced that he has ceased all discussions about bringing it to Oculus Rift. 'I don't want to work with social, I want to work with games. ... Facebook is not a company of grass-roots tech enthusiasts. Facebook is not a game tech company. Facebook has a history of caring about building user numbers, and nothing but building user numbers. People have made games for Facebook platforms before, and while it worked great for a while, they were stuck in a very unfortunate position when Facebook eventually changed the platform to better fit the social experience they were trying to build.' Persson has stated that he made this decision despite initially investing $10,000 in Oculus' Kickstarter."

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hej hej hej (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584655)

Cool story notch.

Kickstarter skeptics eat your heart out (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584679)

Anyone that pays someone to make money with no expectations in return is a fool.

Re: Kickstarter skeptics eat your heart out (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584743)

That's why I invest all my money in Bitcoin instead of kickstarter.

Re: Kickstarter skeptics eat your heart out (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46585163)

At least you can buy pot with Bitcoin. I see no similar good coming of this Kickstarter now that they've cashed in and sold out.

Re: Kickstarter skeptics eat your heart out (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46585217)

Anyone wanna trade an Oculus dev kit for pot?

Re:Kickstarter skeptics eat your heart out (2)

EvilSS (557649) | about 6 months ago | (#46585033)

Anyone that pays someone to make money with no expectations in return is a fool.

Expectation: Pay money and get promised reward.

I'm pretty sure they met the expectation for that project. As for them "selling out", well duh. The vast majority of their funding came from their VC rounds, not kickstarter. VCs are usually looking for an exit and these days want to control burn rate until they get to there. Honestly they are probably better off now with Facebook. FB will want to get the product to market, where the VCs wanted to get the COMPANY to market.

As for all the paranoid NSA, ads in my eyes crap, it's just nerd-rage bullshit. As long as they don't close the SDK, and there is literally no logical reason for them to do that in this case, I don't see a problem. And hey, at least Google didn't aquiri-hire or Moto them.

Re:Kickstarter skeptics eat your heart out (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46585225)

You seem to be operating under the assumption facebook will continue to develop the oculus rift as intended and is not buying it simply to obtain some piece of IP they want to bastardize and use in some way to monetize its existing user base further.

I strongly suspect the only oculus rift gaming devices to ever see market, are the ones that are already in the hands of developers and kickstarter backers we should expect this to more likely appear in some other form of social tool that in no way appeals to the original audience of oculus

Outrageous. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584683)

A mere millionaire daring to defy a billionaire? Now I have seen everything.

Re:Outrageous. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584825)

Zuck. You have billions for promises, that is fine. But Notch got a product I enjoy and never haunt me across the internet for likes. Therefore his opinion carry weight not yours.

Re:Outrageous. (5, Insightful)

phrostie (121428) | about 6 months ago | (#46584891)

Notch sells a product.

Facebook sells you.

Re:Outrageous. (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about 6 months ago | (#46585143)

In Soviet Russia, You Sell Out of Products!

Re:Outrageous. (4, Funny)

TemperedAlchemist (2045966) | about 6 months ago | (#46585251)

Oh Crimea river.

"What?" yelled Occulus founders (5, Funny)

NotDrWho (3543773) | about 6 months ago | (#46584699)

"We can't hear you through all of the cash."

Re:"What?" yelled Occulus founders (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584779)

Obligatory Penny Arcade: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2000/10/23/

"Would you like to stay for dinner? I think we're having MONEY!"

Re:"What?" yelled Occulus founders (0)

i kan reed (749298) | about 6 months ago | (#46584853)

They might be able to hear pretty well if Notch climbs on top of his own pile of earned cash and yells it right in their faces.

Re:"What?" yelled Occulus founders (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584915)

Considering the OR gang only received FB stock, I'm pretty sure Notch would need a megaphone to be heard from on high.

Re:"What?" yelled Occulus founders (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46585025)

No, they got $400m in cash too.

Re:"What?" yelled Occulus founders (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584959)

For how incredible it might sound to you and to americans in general (especially the most ignorant ones), the world has always been full of people who don't put money to the top spot of their priorities' ranking.

Like one guy named Albert... ehm... Einstein, and another, some Leonardo... wait...oh, yeah...da Vinci (the surname isn't even necessary). They weren't billionaires, but "maybe" they are going to be remembered for a little bit more than suckerberg and "the guys from oculus rift", whoever they are.

Re:"What?" yelled Occulus founders (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46585059)

Without the surname, most Americans will think you're talking about a turtle.

Re:"What?" yelled Occulus founders (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46585081)

I'm sorry for their sad lives.

Re:"What?" yelled Occulus founders (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46585121)

Who, to be fair, did not put money at the top of his priority list.

Leonardo priority listing:
1 - Fight Shredder, BeBop, RockSteady, and Craig
2 - Eat Pizza

Re:"What?" yelled Occulus founders (3, Insightful)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about 6 months ago | (#46585119)

I know it's fun being smug, but you might want to remember Einstein moved to America (and died here) because of some trifling thing that had been going on over there in Europe.

Re:"What?" yelled Occulus founders (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about 6 months ago | (#46585051)

That's fine: he wasn't talking to them. Nor was he talking about them in any way shape or form. A lot of people seem upset at the founders, feeling betrayed, but such people need to get over it: that's already happened. Facebook could ruin this thing before it gets off the ground, all in a shortsighted attempt to keep people from leaving facebook. That has not yet happened.

Re:"What?" yelled Occulus founders (2)

rogoshen1 (2922505) | about 6 months ago | (#46585193)

cue the James Earl Jones AT&T commercial voice "but it will"

Unsurprising ... (5, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | about 6 months ago | (#46584709)

The ownership by Facebook of any technology immediately puts the taint of a rich douchebag who wants to monetize everything, invade your privacy, and sell your information.

Fuck the Zuck.

Re:Unsurprising ... (5, Insightful)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 6 months ago | (#46584727)

I'm starting to wonder if he's just buying shit so no-one else can have it.

Re:Unsurprising ... (5, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | about 6 months ago | (#46584769)

This is why we can't have nice things.

My immediate reaction to seeing Facebook was buying it was "well, there goes some promising technology". Instead, it will be used to check in with your friends on Facebook and to ensure they're monetizing everything you can do with it.

To hell with that. I strongly suspect that's what's at play here.

Re:Unsurprising ... (4, Informative)

Daniel Hoffmann (2902427) | about 6 months ago | (#46585031)

Huh, that was exactly my reaction too. Odd how I read that IBM/MIcrosoft/Facebook/Oracle bought another tech company the first reaction I get is exactly this.

Interestingly when I hear that Google bought a company I don't get this reaction (yet).

Also where is Carmack? If he is still with Oculus then there might be some hope. But if they sold out without his vote, well there is something very wrong. John Carmack has being know to be someone uncompromising when it comes to tech.

Re:Unsurprising ... (5, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | about 6 months ago | (#46585147)

John Carmack has being know to be someone uncompromising when it comes to tech.

That, he may well be.

But depending on just how many zeroes are at the end of anything he'd get ... he may well have just said "oh, fuck it, for that much money I'm in".

And, as has already been pointed out, if it's the difference between making a huge stack and living with the 'golden handcuffs', or getting nothing ... a lot of people might do the exact same thing.

Start getting into 8 figures, and I might blow Ballmer in the MS boardroom. Make it 9 figures, and we can bloody well livestream it and I'll throw in Gates. ;-)

You can buy back a lot of self respect (and mouthwash) for that kinda money.

Re:Unsurprising ... (2)

FooAtWFU (699187) | about 6 months ago | (#46585259)

No, it's not about money. It's about fulfilling his adolescent fantasies of being the guy who programs a lame facebook-branded Second Life knockoff. I MEAN, programming the Metaverse from Snow Crash.

(Sorry, dropped out of the fantasy too early there.)

Re:Unsurprising ... (1)

Daniel Hoffmann (2902427) | about 6 months ago | (#46585265)

That may be, but he would probably leave (now or soon) Oculus/Facebook if it did not shown any promise. I would have grabbed the money and ran away at the earliest possible date and fund another startup.

Re:Unsurprising ... (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | about 6 months ago | (#46585241)

If Microsoft had bought Oculus Rift there would be a good chance of it coming to light. With Facebook, odds are it dies alone.

Re:Unsurprising ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46585247)

Bingo. Google still has a "cool" factor.

From what I have read, Facebook doesn't have this. People tolerate Facebook, but do they really -like- FB, like how Apple has a strong supporter base? I really don't see that happening.

Google gets their income from a number of sources, be it direct customers, advertisers, and businesses. FB only gets their income from advertisers. Because of this, I am concerned about anything FB brings out because the end user is not the true customer; they are the product, and every detail, every shred of information will be stored and possibly sold to whomever has the cash for it.

Re:Unsurprising ... (1)

EvilSS (557649) | about 6 months ago | (#46585075)

Instead, it will be used to check in with your friends on Facebook and to ensure they're monetizing everything you can do with it.

And how, exactly, will a VR headset be used for that?

Re:Unsurprising ... (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about 6 months ago | (#46585219)

And how, exactly, will a VR headset be used for that?

Both exactly like, and somewhat different, from how you do it on a web page.

You really think Facebook has altruistic motives here? Or that they see a potential cash cow in the future?

Re:Unsurprising ... (4, Insightful)

AdamThor (995520) | about 6 months ago | (#46585093)

"My immediate reaction to seeing Facebook was buying it was "well, there goes some promising technology"."

Everyone still loves the VR idea though. I think Notch and all the others will just be looking for the runner up product. Which all the Me-To folks are working on. Sony and Xbox are already on that train, I understand. Hopefully there will be someone to sell me one without a walled garden that they're trying to push.

How much IP is there around the oculus? I understood the rift to be mostly an implementation of better / newer technology, not so much new invention, but I could be off. How hard will it be for others to pick up the baton?

Yet Another Dark Age (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46585165)

There was Microsoft as The Borg, but the 1990s ended and the tech industry sort of forgot all about them (is Microsoft still around?). After that, it was Oracle going around trying to destroy technologies by buying them. They mostly succeeded with Java but somehow ZFS escaped. Now begin the Facebook dark ages. What techs are we talking about today, which must not be allowed to emerge?

Re:Unsurprising ... (1)

phrostie (121428) | about 6 months ago | (#46584985)

Zuck is going to create the google-glass of the gaming world.

Re:Unsurprising ... (2)

Lumpy (12016) | about 6 months ago | (#46584801)

karmack has some rumblings about leaving as well.

Real advances for Occolus are dwindling. Zuck should have invested under his secret investment firm, "Evil Acquisitions inc."

Re:Unsurprising ... (4, Informative)

genner (694963) | about 6 months ago | (#46584843)

karmack has some rumblings about leaving as well.

Real advances for Occolus are dwindling. Zuck should have invested under his secret investment firm, "Evil Acquisitions inc."

Carmack has already tweeted that he is not leaving.

Re:Unsurprising ... (2)

bhcompy (1877290) | about 6 months ago | (#46584849)

Carmack probably is stuck unless he wants to forego a payout(so-called golden handcuffs). Likely he has a time based contract that vests a payout over time. Leave now and lose tens of millions. Leave in 2 years and vest some/all of it.

Re:Unsurprising ... (1)

AaronLS (1804210) | about 6 months ago | (#46584861)

Man, and I was so excited they the developer iteration was 1080 resolution and only $350. If that reflects potential commercial pricing, and you look at other existing HMDs at that resolution, then that's actually pretty awesome.

Carmack fully supports the move (4, Informative)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 6 months ago | (#46584909)

Carmack (the fact you can't spell him name right ames me dubious you understand his intent) said this on Twitter [twitter.com] :

I have a deep respect for the technical scale that FB operates at. The cyberspace we want for VR will be at this scale.

If you want to understand what he means, read Ready Player One [amazon.com] .

Re:Carmack fully supports the move (4, Insightful)

ctheme (2694307) | about 6 months ago | (#46585023)

Carmack appreciates impressive technologies when he sees them and has always humbly voiced his support for them. Back in the dark ages he called Ken Silverman, the developer of Duke3D's Build engine -- the supposedly direct competitor of Quake at one point -- the most talented graphics programmers that he knew besides himself. He had similar praise of Oculus VR before he joined the crew.

No, he's isn't a saint in any benevolent sense, but when it comes to commentary on developing technologies, I tend to trust him -- personal disdain for Facebook's sociocommercial business model aside.

Also, Carmack's next Twitter post directly communicates that he's been avoiding creating a Facebook profile up until this point. So perhaps his admiration of the company on a social level is not as strong as his respect for them on a technological infrastructural level.

What Carmack does next will be very telling (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46585189)

Carmack works on what he finds interesting. Right now VR is something that he is really passionate about. This deal almost gives him infinite resources to do that work. He doesn't need the money or the job and he will stay exactly as long as he is interested in the tech. I think he cares little how the tech is used just as long as he in on the cutting edge of developing it.

Re:Carmack fully supports the move (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46585057)

Doesn't sound like full support to me sounds more like a nice way to express displeasure.

Re:Carmack fully supports the move (1)

timeOday (582209) | about 6 months ago | (#46585099)

Well I want to decide for myself what to plug my goggles into, and not have it be a Facebook Accessory. That's my big beef with smart phones and why I still don't have one. The idea of a pocket computer sounded awesome 15 years ago, but they're so wrapped up with the carriers and walled gardens that the appeal is lost to me. You are monitored at every step. And now that's the future of OR.

Re:Carmack fully supports the move (0)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about 6 months ago | (#46585195)

Carmack (the fact you can't spell him name right ames me dubious you understand his intent) ...

That has to be one of the silliest statements I've read in a while. I've known a couple faculty researchers - absolutely brilliant guys - who were abysmal spellers. It didn't seem to affect their comprehension one bit.

It's also worth noting you had your own spelling and grammar issues in a sentence where you chose to cast aspersions on someone for a spelling error. "him name right ames", indeed.

Re:Unsurprising ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584995)

karmack has some rumblings about leaving as well.

Real advances for Occolus are dwindling. Zuck should have invested under his secret investment firm, "Evil Acquisitions inc."

And here I thought Zuck was Google's "Evil Acquisitions Inc."

Re:Unsurprising ... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46585123)

karmack has some rumblings about leaving as well.

Citation please. Otherwise, shut the fuck up.

And it's Carmack. With a C. Not with a K, you fucking moron.

Re:Unsurprising ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584965)

who wants to monetize everything,

Bullshit. He isn't one of those Republicans. He supported Obama so he obviously is not what you describe. He isn't like one of those Elie Musks that hates poor people and refuses to make cars except for the rich even though he is receiving bucketloads of money from his Republican friends. Zuckerberg isn't one of them. He is a diehard Democrat. You really should keep that in mind before accusing him of being a Republican. Your accusation is wrong, and you should feel bad for making it.

Re:Unsurprising ... (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | about 6 months ago | (#46585173)

You're right. I've been waiting for the new record holder to arise for worst corporate merger ever and this might be it. According to Forbes and everyone in the entire US, the AOL - Time Warner merger was the worst merger in US history. Facebook buying and within 24 hours ruining a popular tech project and soon completely bankrupting and canceling the entire acquisition may just beat it.

I guess he is a doofus (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584711)

Some of these people - I don't get the way they think. This seems to be the same type of thing you get in various communities (Linux certainly included) where people want to pick up their toys and go home if every last thing isn't "their way". Who cares who owns the tech? What a doofus.

Re: I guess he is a doofus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584881)

Next you'll be saying I should use Android despite the fact that it's Google tech!

I'd rather be a doofus.

Sincerity or Negotiating Ploy (3, Interesting)

MarkvW (1037596) | about 6 months ago | (#46584713)

Facebook just hasn't thrown enough money at him yet.

When they do...then we'll see.

Re:Sincerity or Negotiating Ploy (2, Insightful)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about 6 months ago | (#46584941)

Notch is already rich as hell. I don't think he cares about more money at this point. Minecraft could have already made him oodles more cash if he'd change it to a freemium model. But he's not.

Re:Sincerity or Negotiating Ploy (1)

Lisias (447563) | about 6 months ago | (#46584951)

Facebook just hasn't thrown enough money at him yet.

When they do...then we'll see.

The day Mr. Zuck decides to throw money in Minecraft, it will be the day that the present owner will not risk HIS money on Facebook.

Until there, I think Mr. Notch is right. Let Zuckerberg risk his own money on Facebook games.

Re:Sincerity or Negotiating Ploy (4, Insightful)

slashmydots (2189826) | about 6 months ago | (#46585185)

To cancel it within 24 hours, I don't think it's about money. I think it's about principle.

Re:Sincerity or Negotiating Ploy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46585205)

Notch isn't born rich, he haven't figured out how to get rid of the money he gets from Minecraft yet.
So far his ideas have been in the lines of "Oh, lets give every employee $100000 extra as a bonus this Christmas", "We need to rent a bunch of jets for the the company party at some random island"
He isn't even close to the mindset needed to throw away money the way large players like Facebook can do.
I'm not sure that there is an overlap between large enough sum to buy Notch and small enough sum to make sense to Notch yet.

Thank you, Notch. (5, Insightful)

uCallHimDrJ0NES (2546640) | about 6 months ago | (#46584729)

This was a wise move, and really the only way forward. Oculus now comes with the most obvious trojan in history.

Temper tantrum (1, Interesting)

Laura Diane (3594001) | about 6 months ago | (#46584747)

Facebook might not be a games company right now, but the acquisition of Oculus certainly gives them a huge opportunity to venture in to that market. And as far as Minecraft not being social... are you kidding me? It might be a malicious kind of social, but Persson's pull out is coming off as more of a flounce rather than an educated decision.

Re:Temper tantrum (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584797)

Coming from a Twit, that's not a surprising response. At least notch has a shred more ethics than the parasites over at the stalker and paedophile field-day that is Suckbook.

Re:Temper tantrum (2)

2starr (202647) | about 6 months ago | (#46584799)

The companies you work with say a lot about your priorities. I think it's fair to send a message to Oculus that a cash grab with a company with completely different models and motivations does not speak well of their priorities.

Two Way Street (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 6 months ago | (#46584939)

The companies you work with say a lot about your priorities.

Exactly, and Facebook is now working with Oculus...

Why can't you think about it THAT way? It means the same thing as what you are saying. Why can't Facebook be changing course? WhatsApp and Oculus purchases make MORE sense if that is the case, not less.

Re:Temper tantrum (1)

Ignacio (1465) | about 6 months ago | (#46584811)

Facebook might not be a games company right now, but the acquisition of Oculus certainly gives them a huge opportunity to venture in to that market.

And the umpteen millions of subscribers it already has doesn't? Pull the other one, it's full of candy.

Re:Temper tantrum (3, Interesting)

Jesrad (716567) | about 6 months ago | (#46584815)

Minecraft isn't making the social side, its userbase is. That's why the myriad videos of let's-play are on youtube, the streaming sessions are on Twitch and announced on twitter, etc. and not on some huge (and bloated) "social network" service hosted on minecraft.net

Re:Temper tantrum (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584975)

That's why the myriad videos of let's-play are on youtube, the streaming sessions are on Twitch and announced on twitter, etc. and not on some huge (and bloated) "social network" service hosted on minecraft.net

That's because the url is http://www.minecraftforum.net/forum [minecraftforum.net] . Scroll down to 'SERVERS' and 'SHOW YOUR CREATION' if you somehow don't think the modding and discussion sections are social enough.

Re:Temper tantrum (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584857)

"Persson's pull out is coming off as more of a flounce rather than an educated decision."

That's what she said.

Re:Temper tantrum (2)

WaffleMonster (969671) | about 6 months ago | (#46584871)

Facebook might not be a games company right now, but the acquisition of Oculus certainly gives them a huge opportunity to venture in to that market.

Laura, welcome to Slashdot. It is great to see such a positive outlook from a first time poster.

And as far as Minecraft not being social... are you kidding me? It might be a malicious kind of social, but Persson's pull out is coming off as more of a flounce rather than an educated

Sometimes it's better to pull early than live with the consequences.

Re:Temper tantrum (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 6 months ago | (#46584991)

Facebook might not be a games company right now, but the acquisition of Oculus certainly gives them a huge opportunity to venture in to that market.

Think in terms of a Secondlife-like Facebook "ecosystem".

Re:Temper tantrum (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584997)

"venture in to that market" is FB for "fuck this tech up". It gives FB a huge opportunity to fuck over peoples privacy in new ways. He is right (and its also his perogative)

They have long been offering games on FB, what has come of it? how have games changed for the better over that time? well, more clones, more "free" games working on the drug principle... yeah, im sure they will make something great out of it.

Re:Temper tantrum (1)

Lisias (447563) | about 6 months ago | (#46585043)

I don't think the problem is the "social", but the way Facebook does "social".

Why one would use Facebook (and pay him a share of his incoming) to allow his users to play his games?

Good for him. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584757)

Good for him. I'm not particularly happy about this deal either. Facebook is going to mangle everything the OR was supposed to be.

lets be honest here... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584759)

..notch hasn't done anything since giving minecraft over to his dev team. This is just a lame excuse to get out of doing anything. Also kind of a jerk to shit on someone that wants money to fund their project when that ass is rolling in billions and doing jack shit.

Dan (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584765)

I think that's a bit short-sighted given that this technology from the get-go has nothing to do with social media. Yes it has other applications but it's primarily for games and is a separate company entity than Facebook. I believe Zuckerberg is just making a smart investment in a known future of gaming.

Re:Dan (1)

bhcompy (1877290) | about 6 months ago | (#46584877)

Think Snow Crash or Neuromancer. Hell, think of Playstation Home.

Re:Dan (1)

Type44Q (1233630) | about 6 months ago | (#46585105)

Think of AOL, in truly-immersive high-def... what's not to like?!

Re:Dan (1)

Jason Levine (196982) | about 6 months ago | (#46585221)

Add in some force-feedback and pop-up ads can not only jump right in front of you, but they can slap you in the face if you don't pay attention to them.

(Somewhere, some marketing guy just began drooling at the thought of this.)

So? (0)

ctheme (2694307) | about 6 months ago | (#46584781)

Brusk and Gifted Independent Developer who Stuck Gold voices his frustration with a major commercial acquisition that the whole tech-concerned internet is on its toes over.

Brusk and Gifted Independent Developer who Stuck Oil tells Oculus that they won't be getting Minecraft for Christmas this year because they made a naughty capitalist decision which advances the looming surveillance state of developed nations.

Brusk and Gifted Independent Developer who Discovered Atlantis is known for having strong and pessimistic views of the game industry which -- surprise! -- strongly favor grassroots development.

I don't see how the complaints of Brusk and Gifted Independent Developer who Developed Minecraft and then Passed it on to an Equally Gifted Development Team add anything more to the Oculus conversation than the thoughts of any other half-informed follower of recently-emerging VR technologies.

Re:So? (1)

ctheme (2694307) | about 6 months ago | (#46584789)

Bagh, *struck. The problem with the option to proofread my comments is that, no matter how many times I try, the fact remains that I was never very good at proofreading to begin with.

Re:So? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584841)

brusque

Re:So? (1)

ctheme (2694307) | about 6 months ago | (#46584903)

Both are correct, [thefreedictionary.com] but I suppose I could have gone with the more elegant looking variant, if that's what you're suggesting.

Hey editors, how hard is this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584805)

"Not one hour after the announcement of the the acquisition of Oculus Rift by Facebook yesterday, Markus 'Notch' Persson has announced that he has ceased all discussions about bringing it to Oculus Rift."

It? WHAT is 'it'?

Re:Hey editors, how hard is this? (4, Funny)

almitydave (2452422) | about 6 months ago | (#46584933)

"Not one hour after the announcement of the the acquisition of Oculus Rift by Facebook yesterday, Markus 'Notch' Persson has announced that he has ceased all discussions about bringing it to Oculus Rift."

It? WHAT is 'it'?

Steven King novel. Frankly, I'm not entirely disappointed that a homicidal supernatural clown isn't being brought to virtual reality. Those are nightmares I'd just as soon do without.

"In discussions" (1)

DrGamez (1134281) | about 6 months ago | (#46584827)

Is software development speak for: "literally no work has been done".

Why is this news worthy?

Re:"In discussions" (2)

Type44Q (1233630) | about 6 months ago | (#46585131)

If you have to ask, you wouldn't comprehend the answer.

Don't care about Minecraft VR, but... (4, Insightful)

thevirtualcat (1071504) | about 6 months ago | (#46584839)

I'm glad to see that I won't be seeing "See what your friends are building in Minecraft. Connect your Facebook account today!" plastered all over Minecraft anytime soon.

(Incidentally, f*ck you, Netflix.)

From the Oculus VR Forums on Markus (5, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 6 months ago | (#46584851)

From the Oculus VR Forums [oculusvr.com] (which you should really read some of to get a better balanced view of how the actual developers feel).

spire8989 writes:

"Hi, I'm a developer and am very happy with this news. Also, Markus is a pretty well-known hipster, this is very expected from him. For someone who seems so anti-Facebook he should really stop having an active Facebook account that he constantly updates though. If you actually read this article you'll see where he says that this will have a positive impact on social VR experiences, but he doesn't want to work with them "because he doesn't know their intentions".

I guess you get to be picky and complain when you have an extremely popular game."

Re:From the Oculus VR Forums on Markus (1)

DeTech (2589785) | about 6 months ago | (#46584943)

I'm not surprised that the argument is more nuanced than "fb is evil, i'm out". Notch is a smart man, and he loves making games... he just doesn't want an unknown actor influencing his decisions.

Re:From the Oculus VR Forums on Markus (4, Insightful)

phorm (591458) | about 6 months ago | (#46585095)

For someone who seems so anti-Facebook he should really stop having an active Facebook account that he constantly updates though

I have no problem with using Facebook for things where I want to share things with many people with no expectation of privacy, Shared events, products I'm interested in, public life announcements, FB is fine.

What I *don't* do is use the app on my phone (contact-stealing), allow their site-cookies, or buy other products that are NOT related to my intended use of FB.

You can both have reasons to use FB and reasons to avoid/dislike it that aren't necessarily at odds.

Re:From the Oculus VR Forums on Markus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46585127)

Willful and naive blindness on the part of a "developer."

Re:From the Oculus VR Forums on Markus (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | about 6 months ago | (#46585199)

Oh bullshit he doesn't know. Their motivation is MONEY.

Re:From the Oculus VR Forums on Markus (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46585235)

I use the bus every day because there's little alternative, does that mean I want to marry the bus driver?

Any excuse. (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584887)

Thing is, quite honestly, I see this as using any excuse to not do work, something Notch is very well known to do ALL THE FUCKING TIME.
"Hey Notch, we love that space game you are making, cannot wait to play it, those new features sound great!"
"Yeeeaaah, cancelling my space game, people like it too much.... VACATIONS"
Is there any excuses he HASN'T used over the years?

I'd care if it was someone of worth, but someone that got lucky with a block-building game who sits on a pile of cash doing nothing, I literally could not care less.
If it wasn't for those interviews or 4chan /v/, his game would be nothing. (and before some tard comes out and says "b-b-b-but youtube!", there was not a single person playing the game at the time, this was WELL before that time, way before the game was even known, youtube-craft is the last and most recent boom in sales, but I am speaking the first)
He used to update the game so much back then. Adding features all the time, one by one.
Sudden increase in sales, makes a company, less updates, which was understandable at the time, he needed time to solidify the company. Then time went on. And on. And on. And still none of what he planned [minus.com] got released. Then he ditched the game entirely and threw it at Jeb to pick up the shattered community because /v/ would no longer suck his dick.
What's that noise I hear? Oh my, the sudden rush of the Notch Defence Force.

And on that note, I still play the game, modded only, vanilla is awful. I've even co-run a server for years now, which went through various different modpacks, most recently Hexxit. So much for that Mod API. They should have just let Bukkit have full fucking control of the thing instead of having to write a new damn API.

Inevitable (1)

The Cat (19816) | about 6 months ago | (#46584899)

Occulus was doomed from the moment it was announced.

It's just the most recent version of "virtual reality hype" (which started with VRML in 1996), which is guaranteed to attract stupid money, which is guaranteed to ruin everything it buys.

Facebook is a volcano of stupid money. It flows like lava, and destroys everything it touches. The only way to avoid it is to not live near the volcano.

for occulus it's the better deal (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584917)

it was either lots of gamers (including me) longing for buying their hardware, or selling out and get rich fast - now they won't have as much work in front of them either, because no one will want to buy a rift any more. thanks fuckerberg.

The Mod still works (4, Informative)

genner (694963) | about 6 months ago | (#46584937)

The Occulus Mod for Minecraft is pretty flawless. This changes nothing.

Notch doesn't own Minecraft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584977)

Notch sold minecraft to work on other things he is not the one working on it anymore.

Pocket change. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46584981)

Every now and then I buy a humble bundle for a few bucks that I never get to play, but it seemed like god cause at the moment. Anyway it's about what I get paid for working 4-5minutes so I really don't care.
$10'000 is the same for Notch. He can give it away for fun, if it's for a good cause even if he don't beleve it will work so why not?

How hard to support multiple VR headsets? (2)

UnderCoverPenguin (1001627) | about 6 months ago | (#46585187)

Oculus isn't the only VR headset. They may be the current best (I don't actually know). At least conceptually, the inputs and outputs are reasonably understood. So what makes it hard for an application that supports the Oculus headset to support others?

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