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This Is Your Brain While Videogaming Stoned

timothy posted about 4 months ago | from the for-some-values-of-your dept.

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Daniel_Stuckey (2647775) writes "Pot and video games have long been bound together in hazy, wedded bliss—as well as in compulsion and codependency. Many a World of Warcraft binger has been found in the darkest hours of the night with clouds of sweet, milk-white smoke curling around him, a bong next to the keyboard. But the way these lovers, games and weed, commingle has only rarely been studied, and when done so, usually exclusively in the context of substance abuse and how it relates to what is known as PVP: 'problem video game playing.'" Motherboard takes a different look.

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PVP? (3, Informative)

waddgodd (34934) | about 4 months ago | (#47081089)

Say PVP to a gamer and they're thinking of how to frag everybody else, not that they're addicted.

Re:PVP? (2)

arth1 (260657) | about 4 months ago | (#47081109)

And I'm also quite sure that you find very few potheads in the PVP ganker club.
Live and let live, love and let love, and by the way, do you have a bag of crisps?

Re:PVP? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47082183)

crisps?

this is an american website. speak american, you piece of euro-trash.

Re:PVP? (1)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 4 months ago | (#47082217)

Capitalise your sentences and proper nouns, you colonial oaf.

Re:PVP? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47082455)

Capitalise your sentences and proper nouns, you colonial oaf.

His failure to capitalise "american" is intentional. For all their arrogant bluster, even the most guache american still ultimately recognises that his upstart nation is unworthy of being capitalised. ;-P

/ Trolly troll is obvious
// Wait, why am I using slashes? This isn't Fark
/// Mmm... cheese and onion crisps

Re:PVP? (1)

Pax681 (1002592) | about 4 months ago | (#47082865)

And I'm also quite sure that you find very few potheads in the PVP ganker club. Live and let live, love and let love, and by the way, do you have a bag of crisps?

utter SHITE .. i love to get stoned and get some FPS action.. some good weed and ,atm Wolfenstein the new order, also a bit of Nether and some black ops zombie shootage with friends.... save yer "peace,love" and all that fucking bollocks.. give me weed and give me blood and guts and guns!

Re:PVP? (0)

Kyle Ruby (3665093) | about 4 months ago | (#47081237)

...and you are backing this up with what evidence? If you are going to post an opinion post it as one.

Re:PVP? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47081299)

Was this an intended response to the parent.. because if so.. not only is it quite silly, it makes no sense.. he's stating a fact about a well known acronym.

Re:PVP? (1)

GoodNewsJimDotCom (2244874) | about 4 months ago | (#47081381)

Oh you have PVP problems? I feel sorry for you. Not everyone can be 31337. Maybe if you dedicate more hours. Maybe if you stopped drinking and getting stoned you'd have better reflexes.

Re:PVP? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47081439)

Almost all of the adults in my previous raid guild on EverQuest smoked weed regularly, usually during raids. We were in the top 10 guilds server wide for progress for almost 5 years before everything started to decline. It was the non-smokers that abandoned us when shit got tough while us smokers kept trying as hard as we could to stay afloat and are currently on our return to the top. I smoked weed since I was around 16, which is around when I started to play EverQuest, smoked ever since, most people in the server I play know who I am by name alone as someone they can ask for help either in-game or remotely fixing their computers (this paid for my weed for a long time).

Re:PVP? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47081957)

You have other sorts of gamers, say PvP to a pro gamer and they are thinking how NOT to make the other guys in the server ragequit because they are too inferior.
This, at least, happens in games where reflexes and tactics are vital. Pick sauerbraten for example, a gifted player will beat a seasoned one in 3 months, and one player which is 3% better than another will almost always beat him.
In this kind of games one beer makes your accu decrease, caffeine won't help you for more than 20 mins, and then you'll suck, playing fresh in the morning will give you superpowers, switching to a different mouse will need thorough tweaking of sensitivity settings, and forget about masturbation if you're going to do a tournament. I am not going to inhale anything that is not legal (nor tobacco) because I do not trust the source so I can't comment on weed, but to me "smoke weed to increase score" sounds like "store in moist places your power amplifier to increase its output". It worked for those guys? They probably are not seasoned enough to play without emotional attachment, so that relaxing helps, and the kind of game they are playing is forgiving.

Re:PVP? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47082061)

and the kind of game they are playing is forgiving.

Typical PvP vs PvE attitude. What they don't explain is why they don't then dominate the PvE area. You could say its because they don't want to but you could say the same of PvE players. Basically PvPers normally suck at PvE.

Re:PVP? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47082185)

actually it's the other way around.

pve takes no skill whatsoever. you learn an encounter. then you do it. whoopdyfuckingdoo you child.

pvp takes actual skill. you can't just memorize things. you have to be creative. rapidly creative.

pvp'ers terrorize raids when they raid.

raiders are such jokes in pvp it's sad. i've gone into 2v2 and 1v2'd pve teams.. and won with ease.

it's bad.

it's sad.

and your chip on the shoulder proves it. :)

you fucking know it and it galls you.

Re:PVP? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47082247)

actually it's the other way around.

pve takes no skill whatsoever. you learn an encounter. then you do it. whoopdyfuckingdoo you child.

actually it's the other way around.

PvP is just running around shooting with no tactics or learning. whoopdyfuckingdoo you child.

I've beaten PvPers in my game of choice so your assertion means shit.

I have raided with PvPers and they are more often than not they are shit. They don't work with other people and have massive egos.

it's bad.

it's sad.

and your chip on the shoulder proves it. :)

you fucking know it and it galls you.

Re:PVP? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47082673)

Say PVP to a gamer and they're thinking of how to frag everybody else, not that they're addicted.

Well how else are you going to win a protoss versus protoss match?

Re:PVP? (1)

blackiner (2787381) | about 4 months ago | (#47082819)

Pfft. Back in MY day, we called them PKs.

invalid security certificate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47081117)

slashdot.org uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate expired on 5/23/2014 5:49 PM. The current time is 5/23/2014 10:16 PM. (Error code: sec_error_expired_certificate)

It takes Slashdot 24 hours to install it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47081125)

They can barely follow basic tutorials over there

Wait (2, Funny)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about 4 months ago | (#47081181)

Pew pew pew...
<PAUSE>
<SCHLERP (bubble bubble)>
"What?? That's ridiculous."
<UNPAUSE>
Pew pew pew...

Gamers? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47081239)

Gamers? What about the programmers? They can't be straight.

Re:Gamers? (4, Interesting)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about 4 months ago | (#47081431)

Gamers? What about the programmers? They can't be straight.

Portrait of J. Random Hacker: Ceremonial Chemicals [catb.org]

I have often found that when any problem is to be solved, be it creating universes from singularities, forming life from atoms, building solutions from syntax, etc. the process will benefits from an entropy gradient: Energizing and expansion, Heating then chilling, Randomizing design patterns then benchmarking, Changing strategies and sorting what works. Any who think that drugs are inherently evil and detrimental are arguing against the nature of the universe itself.

Sometimes considering every option methodically gives insight, but that is not the only way, that is not natures way. Sometimes the entropy added is natural, sometimes deliberate. Sometimes induced by the disjoint dreams of sleep. Humans are tool using creatures, and with moderation of dosage they may even use drugs as tools. A recreational chemical may give a different perspective, heighten some inherent ability, dull some pain or inhibition, or mix up the approaches to problems. A little entropy can be a good thing in a self corrective system. Without chaos there would be no order: There would be no life, only crystals; No mutation only stagnation; No adaptation only the vulnerability of the monoculture; No new discoveries only existing knowledge; No new innovations only the dark ages.

Sometimes the temporary detrimental effects of being mixed up inside are worth the resultant order that settles out from the chaos. Even the ancients knew of catharsis. Their trial by fire is yet another stress then relaxation.

Re:Gamers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47081795)

Three paragraphs to an express a trivial one-sentence idea. Someone wrote that while stoned.

Disclaimer: everyone's free to smoke pot, but - like eating pizza - you do it to chill out, not because it provides you Enlightenment.

Re:Gamers? (1)

erikkemperman (252014) | about 4 months ago | (#47081967)

I'm not sure GP was talking about pot, but probably about psychedelic drugs like LSD, mescalin, psilocybin, ayahuasca, DMT and so on. But even for pot I'm sure that, while there certainly are some who use it strictly as recreation, there are also those who achieve real insights under its influence.

Re:Gamers? (1)

Prune (557140) | about 4 months ago | (#47082029)

> ayahuasca, DMT

Listing both is redundant, as DMT is the active ingredient in ayahuasca (the MAOI component in this plant extract is there to prevent the DMT from being destroyed in the gut by monoamine oxidaze, and its psychoactive effect is miniscule in comparison to the DMT -- if MAOIs had a strong psychoactive effect they probably wouldn't be used as antidepressants). Listing DMT would have been sufficient; listing both is kind of like listing mescaline and peyote both, which doesn't make sense -- one comes from the other.

Re:Gamers? (1)

erikkemperman (252014) | about 4 months ago | (#47082323)

> ayahuasca, DMT

Listing both is redundant, as DMT is the active ingredient in ayahuasca (the MAOI component in this plant extract is there to prevent the DMT from being destroyed in the gut by monoamine oxidaze, and its psychoactive effect is miniscule in comparison to the DMT -- if MAOIs had a strong psychoactive effect they probably wouldn't be used as antidepressants).

The harmala component in ayahuasca is there (mostly) to facilitate ingestion, yes, but DMT can be used without it when smoked or snorted (which I think was the original use, powder processed from yopo bark).

Anyway, it might be a regional thing, but my impression is that to the extent that is to be found at all, "DMT" here in the EU refers to synthetic stuff meant to be smoked in a base pipe, and probably is not the 5-MeO-DMT variant found in ayahuasca. Is this use of the terms different in the US?

Listing DMT would have been sufficient; listing both is kind of like listing mescaline and peyote both, which doesn't make sense -- one comes from the other.

Mescaline can come from peyote, of course, but also from San Pedro. The effects are reported to be distinct, to some extent, due to the various other components in either plant. Which presumably make both slightly different from synthetic mescaline. I can't actually say this from personal experience though, these things are not at all commonplace or easy to procure where I'm at.

Re:Gamers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47082597)

everyone's free to smoke pot, but - like eating pizza - you do it to chill out, not because it provides you Enlightenment.

That's some nice hasty generalization you have there. You're seriously claiming that no-one ever uses pot for divination or to augment creativity? Check out this guy http://www.witkacy.org/slidesh... [witkacy.org] -- he liked his hash and painted badass portraits on it (and some on mescaline).

Re:Gamers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47082001)

I can't wait for drugs to be legalized so I don't have to read these kinds of ridiculous drug evangelizing speeches. A long time ago I did a lot of drugs and I used to get a bit preachy about it like you are.

To paraphrase Hunter S Thompson, Timothy Leary should have kept his fucking mouth shut. He did more harm than good; his overly charismatic message freaked out the straight edge power mongers. Leary ruined it for all the normal people who took LSD and didn't have a Jesus complex.

Its a drug, it gets you fucked up. You trip balls, meet god, and then wake up the next day wondering why you were talking to yourself in the mirror all night long.

You might be thinking I am some anti drug warrior at this point. If so, please look at the second sentence in this post.

The rationalization you presented for drug use is just as one sided as the "just say no" crowd. Heaven and hell, as Huxley said...

Re:Gamers? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47082087)

The most important difference to me is that anti-drug people are trying to control my actions without justification through legislation while the pro-drug people, whether their statements are true or not, are not.

Re:Gamers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47082153)

Thank you
nicely said.

Re:Gamers? (1)

turp182 (1020263) | about 4 months ago | (#47082317)

Already at +5, so well spoken.

Re:Gamers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47081669)

Vice also recently posted an article about how the FBI can't find any expert hackers because they would all fail the Government mandated drug tests. So yeah, the programmers aren't straight either.

I saw a paper detailing why people in technical fields are more open to recreational drug use, they found that the anti-drug propaganda doesn't work on people in this group because of the associated critical thinking skills, they will rather go out and research the truth about recreational drugs. Unfortunately I can't find it now.

Comparison with other drugs (4, Insightful)

globaljustin (574257) | about 4 months ago | (#47081283)

Let's see this same thing repeated with these for comparison:

alcohol
cocaine
LSD
MDA
MDNA
adderall
zoloft
perkoset
xanax

etc...you get my point...

every damn time people anywhere talk about "drugs" and their effects we need to **compare** it to other similar things!

Re:Comparison with other drugs (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about 4 months ago | (#47081451)

Let's see this same thing repeated with these for comparison:

Reading Slashdot.

every damn time people anywhere talk about "drugs" and their effects we need to **compare** it to other similar things!

Comparison does not prove causation! We read and write that multiple times each day on Slashdot.

You must be nude here.

Re:Comparison with other drugs (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | about 4 months ago | (#47081533)

So, you didn't read the paper did you?

Re:Comparison with other drugs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47081739)

You fail to understand these papers..

My point ------ their bullshit.

There are people that are addicted to gaming that do not do/use drugs, whichby far out number anyone that gets high, and this /. post talks about Weed, but makes no mention of the widely available prescription/prescribed drugs (the slash dot article itself, not the link) I can see the arrogance surrounding marijuana laughably still exists.I have played games on all sorts of illegal and "legal" substances, but never got 'stoned' and felt a need to waste my high playing a damn video game.

If people are smoking and playing a few hours a day (you can judge what a few hour is, for me maybe 30 minutes up to 2 hours, especially if I have got nothing to do, chores, going to the store, mowing the my lawn, fixing something around the house/vehicle, going out for fun, ect.) they are more then likely doing it for fun and to unwind.

From what I gathered form the /. submission, people get high then become addicted to both video games and pot, or their drug of choice, the only way they can play a game is to be stoned. I can tell you that is bullshit, for me it makes no difference sober or stoned, sober is just as boring and fun!

Re:Comparison with other drugs (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | about 4 months ago | (#47081825)

So... you didn't read the paper and then made a bunch of stupid assumptions... off of a /. summary! How dumb can you be?.

Thanks AC, your verbal diarhea is terribly enlightening.

Re:Comparison with other drugs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47082519)

... for me it makes no difference sober or stoned, sober is just as boring and fun!

You need stronger drugs. Your shit ain't shit, dude.

Re:Comparison with other drugs (1, Insightful)

jones_supa (887896) | about 4 months ago | (#47082011)

etc...you get my point...

No, I don't. Of your list of drugs (which included both recreational drugs and medicinal drugs), some of them might increase a person's gaming capabilities, while some of them might dampen a person's gaming capabilities. So what?

every damn time people anywhere talk about "drugs" and their effects we need to **compare** it to other similar things!

I do not see why that would be necessary. You don't need to review other drugs to see how marijuana affects a person.

Re:Comparison with other drugs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47082115)

You compare it to the control. In this case the control was them before taking the drug.

Re:Comparison with other drugs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47082513)

When I play Need for Speed: Carbon, I'm usually high on weed. I drive really well, better than I do when I'm sober.

That one time I tried playing the same game on magic mushrooms, however... ahhahahahahahahhahaa. That was fucking awesome. I kept crashing everywhere. I'd hit the gas, and BOOM, into a wall. Turn the wheel a bit again, hit the gas, BAM! Hit a car. Hit a post. And I couldn't stop laughing the whole time! I sucked so bad, I played worse than I ever had before, but it was just so freakin' hilarious and I had to eventually stop because the laughing was starting to hurt.

Thank goodness for video games, though. Imagine if I didn't have a simulated environment and still wanted to go for a drive?

This again... (1)

Karmashock (2415832) | about 4 months ago | (#47081311)

Do we link emo children to the sad music they listen to or stoners to the bad tv they watch?... Come on.

Enough with trying to demonnize video games to a generation that never experienced them and so only has their own ignorance to base anything upon.

Re:This again... (5, Interesting)

Opportunist (166417) | about 4 months ago | (#47081405)

Well, it's getting harder and harder to demonize video games. The kids of today are already the second generation of gamers, their parents are the first. Having a teenager (i.e. the time when you start wondering "just where did my kid go wrong?") means that you're about 40 years old. That is about the age where you had an Atari 2600 or a C64 as a kid.

Demonizing weed isn't easy either, since it's been around for two generations by now (or rather, two generations had some rather high rate of exposure to it).

What's left is demonizing the combo. Because when you were a kid during my generation (i.e. the "40ish" people of today), you were EITHER a geek OR doing dope. The combination was rather rare.

And it simply can't be that your kids are simply walking hormones that come without a user manual, where you have to figure out how to deal with them. So SOMETHING must be wrong here. He was always such a nice boy...

Re:This again... (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | about 4 months ago | (#47081543)

I'm sure the 'two generations' makes it all nice and neat for you, but you're just so wrong.

Cannabis has been around pretty much as long as humans have. The only time there was a drop in 'exposure' was during the propaganda wars starting in the 1930's by good ol' US capitalism and even that didn't last long, just eliminated all the medical supplies and drove use underground.

Re:This again... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47081603)

He was talking about video games, but you would have had to read his comment to know that.

Re:This again... (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | about 4 months ago | (#47081659)

hahaha, obviously you were too stoned and couldn't read or remember his second paragraph, eh?

Re:This again... (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 4 months ago | (#47081707)

Cannabis has been around for ages. Yes. But it's only become a "youth thing" two generations ago. It was outlawed some more generations ago (after being legal for ... well, pretty much all of humanity's existence), probably around the same time we tried to do the same with alcohol, and the 60s youth revolution "rediscovered" it. They had to deal with a parent generation that grew up without it and hence feared that, to them, unknown drug. Since then, it's been part of our "youth culture", in a way.

In other words, the parents and grandparents of today's teenagers were "potheads" already, or at least had exposure to it. With the grandparents actually having more exposure to it than the parents. Along with other drugs like LSD. I'm fairly sure that there are more 50-60 year olds around that took a trip to the skies than there are 30-40 year olds.

The kids of today are "only" the second generation of gamers. Still, bad mouthing video games won't do it, since the parents, the first generation gamers, won't buy it.

Since we do apparently have that need to blame the unruly youth at something, and since the young'uns today don't do anything their parents or grandparents didn't do (aside of "social networking", but guess what: The parents and grandparents do it TOO, so that can't be it), we can only try some combinations. Parents enjoyed video games, grandparents enjoyed drugs, but it must be the combination thereof that makes our youth go bananas.

We need to pin it to something. Bad parenting can't be it, and now hush li'l Jonny and watch your TV, mom's busy on the phone.

Re:This again... (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | about 4 months ago | (#47081817)

Citation for your misguidedness?

After all, you don't even know why it was prohibited. BTW, the drug cartels would beg to differ with your made up history.

Re:This again... (1)

rogoshen1 (2922505) | about 4 months ago | (#47081917)

it was a bullshit article, with a bullshit point, that shouldn't have made it onto Creed's thoughts (oblique reference to 'The Office') let alone on Slashdot.

Headline: People enjoy smoking pot while engaging in leisure activities.
Headline 2: Young people often have the copious amounts of free time and lack of responsibilities that enable playing video games and/or smoking pot.

Neither of these are newsworthy, or interesting at all.

The following exposes would be equally fine examples of journalistic ... something.
- Drinking beer at a bar, while playing pool.
- Old men in tiny cars and ridiculous hats playing golf while smoking cigars.
- Fat bald men bowling while sipping budweisers.

Re:This again... (1)

angel'o'sphere (80593) | about 4 months ago | (#47082291)

You forgot the dart profi players!

Re:This again... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47081609)

>you were EITHER a geek OR doing dope. The combination was rather rare.

The combination is very common in my experience. (45, Illinois.)

Smart people experiment, and quickly realize that marijuana is the safest recreational drug we've ever found. The fun/harm balance is all on the fun side with this one. If you hang out with some friends and get baked on a Friday night, you'll sleep well, and wake up feeling good Saturday morning. It doesn't cause hangovers like alcohol. It doesn't drive you mad with addiction like tobacco. It's insane that we've allowed marijuana prohibition to go on for this long.

Re:This again... (1)

0111 1110 (518466) | about 4 months ago | (#47081723)

The combination is very common in my experience.

I assume you meant to use the past tense since he was talking about the late 70s to early 80s and my experience was quite different.

Smart people experiment, and quickly realize that marijuana is the safest recreational drug we've ever found.

Smart people don't use themselves as guinea pigs on an unstudied drug which may or may not have long term negative affects on memory. Anecdotal experience seems to support some memory decline with long term marijuana use. I wouldn't go near the stuff for that reason alone. Until it has been proven to be safe through long term placebo controlled studies I would hope that most intelligent people would give it a wide berth.

As far as the late 70s to early 80s I have to agree with the observation of potheads and geeks not mixing and that geeks who spent most of their time either playing computer games or Dungeons and Dragons or writing computer games generally did not smoke pot.

Re:This again... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47081947)

>I assume you meant to use the past tense since he was talking about the late 70s to early 80s and my experience was quite different.

Past, present, and future.

>Smart people don't use themselves as guinea pigs on an unstudied drug which may or may not have long term negative affects on memory.

It does not seem to, and if it did, that would only be with heavy use, the equivalent of an alcoholic. Without the liver damage.

>Anecdotal experience seems to support some memory decline with long term marijuana use. I wouldn't go near the stuff for that reason alone.

I think that's a myth, and again, these would be people who are the equivalent of alcoholics.

> Until it has been proven to be safe through long term placebo controlled studies I would hope that most intelligent people would give it a wide berth.

LOL...we're talking about a much much safer alternative to alcohol, not something that needs placebo controlled studies.

Re:This again... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47082109)

It does not seem to, and if it did, that would only be with heavy use, the equivalent of an alcoholic. Without the liver damage.

Or in danger of dying for going cold turkey.
Really if someone isn't tea total they have no cause to complain at some one smoking pot, alcohol is far worse. If you want to find out more, read the literature.

Re:This again... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47082435)

Smart people don't use themselves as guinea pigs on an unstudied drug which may or may not have long term negative affects on memory.

Well, or maybe you are not as smart as you like to believe. Studies (just the other day there were reports about a recent one, I believe even here on /.) have shown that people with high intelligence are having more sex, doing more "risky" stuff and are using more drugs.

But real smart people are able to research for themselves and able to come to the conclusion that the memory problem scare is just that, more or less a scare with little more the anecdotal reports.

I know plenty of high-intelligent people who not only smoke week but also experiment with other drugs, even largely untested ones (RCs).

So I guess you are just wannabe smart.

Re:This again... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47082667)

Smart people don't use themselves as guinea pigs on an unstudied drug which may or may not have long term negative affects on memory.

Stupid people live in a naive, idealistic fantasy world. A world where doctors, legislators, lawyers, police, private research labs, academia and political leaders all work together for the best interests of the people, who give us all the facts with no lies or embellishments, sheltering us from harm, only forbidding what is truly bad and harmful and otherwise allowing total freedom. Where there is no corruption, no political agendas, no conflicting financial interests. Where scientists are free to obtain as many samples of illegal drugs as they need to conduct health research. Where international industries such as pulp paper, textiles and pharmaceuticals don't dig in their heels and demand that America lead the way in banning everything that may threaten a mere morsel of their profits through heavy use of legislation, policing, prosecution and sanctioning. A world that is completely dictated by logic, sensibility and evidence-based approaches to both research and law. Where the only people who get arrested and go to jail are those who directly harm and endanger innocent people around them.

I guess it's a damn good thing you're a smart person who doesn't smoke weed! Enjoy your beer, coffee and/or cigarettes, at least the government and their hand-picked research buddies have determined those to be far safer than weed, so you can consume those with impunity. Stay away from weed, though. Medical practicioners have only been studying it since 3000BC, so we clearly need more time to study this mysterious, newly-discovered species of plant life.

Now that my sarcasm reserves have been fully depleted, can you please tell me how I'm capable of remembering my humongous password, which is ~128 bits of entropy large and ten words long, despite my handicap of having been a daily cannabis user for over 10 years? And when I say daily, I don't mean once a day, I mean all the fucking time during every waking hour, both for treating a decent handful of medical ailments, plus because I enjoy how it makes me feel. It's strong weed, too, as damn well it should be considering it's from a dispensary. I shouldn't even be able to remember my phone number when I'm stoned according to the information you're basing your opinion on. How am I even capable of using Linux, which demands a large portion of the brain's memory be dedicated to a plethora of commands, syntax and philosophies?

Druggies Go Home. Now! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47081313)

These dopers should all be put in prison for the rest of the short unnatural lives. Sick!

Re:Druggies Go Home. Now! (1, Flamebait)

Opportunist (166417) | about 4 months ago | (#47081407)

Which ones first? The cigarette smokers or the drunks?

I'd start with them, they're easiest to find.

Re:Druggies Go Home. Now! (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | about 4 months ago | (#47081551)

Don't forget the caffeinators!

Mark my words, that's the drug that's going to lead to zombies!

Re:Druggies Go Home. Now! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47081559)

Which ones first?

Coffee drinkers.

Re:Druggies Go Home. Now! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47082127)

But Tea's a gateway drink...

Re:Druggies Go Home. Now! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47082771)

My mom started me on milk.

being stoned helps the grind (4, Funny)

Nyder (754090) | about 4 months ago | (#47081373)

Well, I'm stoned and I've been playing video games stoned for almost all of my video game life.

And all I have is this to say:

What are we talking about again?

i must be doing it wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47081425)

I must be playing the wrong games and hanging around with the wrong crowd. I've never heard of a habit of pot and video games.

In other news: my iPhone keeps tigers away (1, Insightful)

Powercntrl (458442) | about 4 months ago | (#47081433)

Could it be the case that playing video games are simply the most likely recreational activity a stoner is going to feel motivated enough to perform? Honestly, how many people get stoned and then go hiking, running, playing football or whatever?

It's bad enough that some people believe video games cause violent behavior, but now drug use too? Next we'll be demonizing food, since every murderer, stoner and rapist ate food regularly during their lives.
 

Re:In other news: my iPhone keeps tigers away (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47081617)

If you somehow manage to read the article (filled with atrocious writing and grammar, it is Motherboard), you would see it's actually an article about how they all got stoned and played games, and compared their scores to their scores sober.

The result: being stoned doesn't make you shit at games, surprise, surprise.

Re:In other news: my iPhone keeps tigers away (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47081649)

You might want to re-calibrate your worldview. Talking about gamers smoking pot isn't "demonizing." Ooooh scary drug use. You also just lumped those of us who enjoy marijuana in with murderers and rapists. Are you trolling, or just really sheltered?

Re:In other news: my iPhone keeps tigers away (1)

Powercntrl (458442) | about 4 months ago | (#47081925)

You might want to re-calibrate your worldview. Talking about gamers smoking pot isn't "demonizing." Ooooh scary drug use.

I personally know a few people who have been busted for possession and it's going to be on their criminal record for the rest of their lives. Heck, even having a stoner friend accidentally leave a tiny "baggie" in your car can easily turn into an expensive legal nightmare if a cop notices it before you do. The "world view" may be different but here in the USA, there's still a war on drugs here and the law will happily fuck your life up without giving it a second thought.

You also just lumped those of us who enjoy marijuana in with murderers and rapists. Are you trolling, or just really sheltered?

You missed the entire "correlation does not imply causation" point behind that statement. By the way, I don't see any tigers here, so my iPhone must be working great!

Re:In other news: my iPhone keeps tigers away (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47082893)

Jesus Christ, what state do you live in? There is currently nowhere west of the Cascades where an adult can't get legal weed in under an hour.

Re:In other news: my iPhone keeps tigers away (2)

rogoshen1 (2922505) | about 4 months ago | (#47081923)

it's more like the recreational activity which they can engage in and stand zero risk of getting arrested, losing student loan eligibility, and being denied the opportunity for a proper job -- oh and I guess working for the FBI.

Re:In other news: my iPhone keeps tigers away (2)

mikael_j (106439) | about 4 months ago | (#47081987)

Plenty of people use cannabis and go hiking, hang out with friends and have normal lives.

Just check out /r/trees on reddit (or some similar forum), plenty of users there post "smoke spot" pictures from hiking trails and the like.

Re:In other news: my iPhone keeps tigers away (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47082171)

They have a control to compare to (themselves without any taking any drugs). Do you have many tiger problems when you don't have an iphone?

And here I am... (1)

drake2k (3458443) | about 4 months ago | (#47081453)

Reading this article, atl-tabbed in between 2 battlegrounds, hitting up the bong at 1AM

This is science ??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47081549)

You're supposed to be nerds. Act like it.

Alcohol too (2)

Hamsterdan (815291) | about 4 months ago | (#47081553)

I used to drink when playing Quake 2 and UT with my clan. The goal was not to get too drunk, but just enough to be a real Kamikaze. Weed also enhances creativity as many artists will confirm.

God Bud? (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | about 4 months ago | (#47081569)

Is that because it's au naturel and hasn't been trimmed?

That's a helluva lot of leaf!!

Drugs and programming (5, Insightful)

Kevin Fishburne (1296859) | about 4 months ago | (#47081621)

From personal experience, drinking while programming isn't so bad, although the increasing mental and physical clumsiness will eventually become a problem. Smoking weed while programming, on the other hand, is asking for trouble. If you're a designer brainstorming before coming up with a rough design document, weed's probably an ally in many ways. Programming, though, God help you. I suppose it adversely affects the ability to base one logical proposition upon another, which is generally bad for a series of equations relying upon the results of the previous for a useful result.

While playing games it depends on the game. If it requires the same sort of sequential, analytical processes as programming then you're doomed. If it's just a twitch game with simple goals and gameplay you'll be minimally handicapped. In any case, I can't imagine being high will improve your ability to play a game; just your enjoyment of it.

Re:Drugs and programming (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47081821)

From personal experience, drinking while programming isn't so bad, although the increasing mental and physical clumsiness will eventually become a problem. Smoking weed while programming, on the other hand, is asking for trouble. If you're a designer brainstorming before coming up with a rough design document, weed's probably an ally in many ways. Programming, though, God help you. I suppose it adversely affects the ability to base one logical proposition upon another, which is generally bad for a series of equations relying upon the results of the previous for a useful result. .

Bullshit! There are many a programer that do their best work high.

Re:Drugs and programming (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47081937)

I suppose it adversely affects the ability to base one logical proposition upon another, which is generally bad for a series of equations relying upon the results of the previous for a useful result.

That is the point where you had too much weed and you should stop writing. It takes a while to get there but the magic happens before you hit that mental wall.

Best experience was programming while having some HQ cocaine. It does nothing for me on parties but it can unshackle my mind.
Goethe was right :)

Re:Drugs and programming (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47081941)

I wrote an atmosphere simulation for a video game while stoned, it looks pretty damn good. Also a terrain system capable of rebuilding hundreds of thousands of nodes of a quad tree in just under 2ms, those in turn feed into a geometry shader which might emit more geometry, upwards to a million nodes by time it's actually rendered.

What being stoned has done to my programming are increase likelihood of trying silly things. Tied that terrain system I spoke of into an equalizer for music, hilariously bad idea.

Re:Drugs and programming (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 4 months ago | (#47082375)

What being stoned has done to my programming are increase likelihood of trying silly things. Tied that terrain system I spoke of into an equalizer for music, hilariously bad idea.

Hilariously great idea, you mean. I imagine a spinning globe. Mountains, islands, ranges, whole continents are spawned in response to music. They sink back into the ocean as the globe rotates.

Re:Drugs and programming (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47082723)

RFC

I want this to exist.

Re:Drugs and programming (1)

themusicgod1 (241799) | about 4 months ago | (#47082639)

Please tell us that the source code to your equalizer is online somewehre

Re:Drugs and programming (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47081989)

My experience, with average programming, is that a not too big dose of weed might numb my brain a bit, but on the other hand i am more focused on the work and can make up the lost brain power by sitting for a longer time, while also enjoying myself more.

Re:Drugs and programming (2)

bemymonkey (1244086) | about 4 months ago | (#47082063)

The interesting thing is that I seem to have conditioned myself to only be good at videogames (I play mostly Counter-Strike GO these days) when I've had a sip of beer - not even a lot of beers, just one or two over the course of a few hours of gaming. I can't hit anything when I haven't cracked open a beer, but as soon as I take that first sip, the headshots start coming.

I'm actually sliding down in the ranks slowly because I've been too lazy to buy beer lately...

Re:Drugs and programming (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47082273)

You don't see how enjoying something will make you better at it than someone who doesn't enjoy it?

Re:Drugs and programming (1)

angel'o'sphere (80593) | about 4 months ago | (#47082283)

I guess it rather depends on the dose.
When I was young and drank cocoa with canabis, I rather felt inspired than stoned.

Re:Drugs and programming (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47082333)

I'd have to disagree about the programming bit -- I've done some of my best work completely blitzed out of my mind. I'm a hobbyist game designer.

It can disrupt your logic with certain things, but it also does well in focusing your attention. Then again, it seems everyone's reaction to weed is slightly different so I suppose your milage may vary.

Re:Drugs and programming (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47082825)

Bullshit, it depends on the person and brain and chemical makeup of the person. I'm a computer programmer and grew up around computers all my life. I was building these fuckers at age 6. Today, weed can unlock mental blocks on a boring problem and help to think outside the box and figure shit out.

I was playing a friend in a video game for the first time and wasn't high. My friend was whooping my ass, bad! I said, let me take a break to smoke. When i came back, I was whooping his ass, bad! In fact I never died and was hitting news highs! (Excuse the Pun). My friend was amazed and couldn't believe it. It wasn't what he expected as a result of smoking.

My Takeaway (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47081697)

Playing stoned made them more confident. They felt like they were playing better, so they took more risks. A lot of games have systems in which risky behavior is often more greatly rewarded, but rewarded less frequently. Spelunky especially is one of those games. Tetris, however, can be much less forgiving of risky behavior, hence the lower scores there.

So I don't think this was a very good test of the effect of actual basic skills that contribute to good or bad play. I think a series of reaction time tests, memorization tests, and problem solving tests, independent from complex interactions within the game itself or the nebulous "score" would make for a better testing environment. Also, three people playing just four games, all of which are single player and most of which are puzzle games, doesn't seem like enough data to come to any useful conclusion whatsoever.

I've played with and against players who were high in competitive multiplayer games in which the high players were obviously making mistakes and playing poorly (the whole time insisting that playing high enhanced their abilities) to change my belief that playing high probably makes you worse rather than better. Especially in a multiplayer context with a group of highly skilled and experienced players, ones overconfidence can be much more directly and specifically exploited and countered. The high players were not only overconfident, but much less likely to recognize and acknowledge mistakes, leading them to repeat those mistakes or allow their opponents to capitalize on the mistakes even more frequently or severely than normal.

article was bad - so tired of non-neutral writeups (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47081715)

simply due to the fact that the whole "weed" affair was written up very misty eyed.
A proper journalist would never call it weed nor stoned, but use proper and neutral terms.

Re:article was bad - so tired of non-neutral write (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47082141)

They seem commonly used words so it seems fine to me. Maybe they want to be able to communicate with none specialists?
Also they show a far greater understanding of science than most 'proper journalists' and it is a more informative article than the average 'science' piece in a paper. Also I consider them as valid a journalist as other journalists. I've worked in the print industry (in the UK) so know what a lot of shit most hacks spout.

Pah (1)

JockTroll (996521) | about 4 months ago | (#47081757)

Nothing beats playing Resident Evil 2 on speed and then going to a performance art show.

Re:Pah (1)

gigne (990887) | about 4 months ago | (#47082413)

It's not finished.

It's finished.

I wonder about other game genres (1)

John.Banister (1291556) | about 4 months ago | (#47081881)

like, RTS, for example. I suspect that THC is helpful for situations where one needs to focus in, but the opposite of helpful for situations where one needs to multitask. However, that which seems like multiple tasks to one mind may well be perceived as a single (multidimensional but easily subject to simultaneous apprehension) task to another. If people play video games for job interviews as was discussed this past January, ...

yes you bastards! (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | about 4 months ago | (#47081893)

instead of doing something you love you should spend all your time beating the bible outside the grocery store, cause drunk on jesus is fine but playing a dumb ass game is not

Man (1)

JustOK (667959) | about 4 months ago | (#47082235)

Mannnnn, have you ever looked at your hand controller? I mean, REALLY looked at it? It's like, wait... it doesn't control MY hand. It should be called a control handler. I smell a conspiracy and it smells like pop tarts.

"problem"? (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 4 months ago | (#47082397)

problem video game playing

That's when your video card can't handle Watch Dogs on high graphics settings.

Hashish and XBOX360/PC games combo... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47082461)

...is exactly what the doctor prescribed! --Writen from Amsterdam.

Very interesting article... (1)

rgbatduke (1231380) | about 4 months ago | (#47082631)

... even if N = 4 in a non-double-blind placebo-controlled experiment isn't exactly science. But a lovely anecdote, and one that matches my own personal experience (from long ago) in many ways. I hope people are actually reading TFA -- but wait, this is /. so that's a silly thought.

STOP POSTING THIS SHIT (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47082917)

This is NOT REDDIT.

This is one of the few websites for people who are actually intelligent to come together and share things.

This is NOT a place for fucking pothead morons to push their drug religion on others. There has been a steady crossover from Reddit-esque articles showing up here and I'm fucking sick of it.

Slashdot is for SMART PEOPLE and not FUCKING DRUG ADDICTS. Stop posting all this pro-drug drivel!

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