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IeSF Wants International Game Tournaments Segregated By Sex [Updated]

timothy posted about 5 months ago | from the sort-of-noachian dept.

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RockDoctor (15477) writes The Guardian is reporting that a Finnish heat of an international gaming competition is being segregated into male and female branches in accordance to international rules. The International e-Sports Federation (IeSF) want "eSports" to be recognised as equivalent to physical sports. And that, it seems, requires that competitors be segregated on grounds of sex. Which may be appropriate for pole vaulters, but not necessarily appropriate for ePole vaulters. This leaves the organisers of national heats of eSports in a rather invidious position of having (in this case) a tournament only open to "Finnish male players." Update: 07/03 14:38 GMT by T : As several readers point out in the comments, this policy has been abruptly reversed.

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simple fix (4, Insightful)

sunking2 (521698) | about 5 months ago | (#47375925)

Stop pretending video gaming is a real sport.

Re:simple fix (2)

khallow (566160) | about 5 months ago | (#47376037)

What is a "real sport" anyway?

Re:simple fix (4, Insightful)

lgw (121541) | about 5 months ago | (#47376093)

Whatever old people want it to be.

Seriously, just abandon the word "sport". It's not helping in any way. Trying to avoid "gaming" is understandable, as it means "illegal gambling" to many people, and in many laws, but there's got to be a better word than "sport".

"eSports" is trying to come down on the wrong side of the great jock-geek divide. Why do that?

Re:simple fix (5, Funny)

Tridus (79566) | about 5 months ago | (#47376097)

"real sport": Competitions I like watching on TV.
"fake sport": Competitions other people like watching on TV.

Re:simple fix (1)

KiloByte (825081) | about 5 months ago | (#47376539)

Does this mean for me all sports are fake?

Re:simple fix (1)

CheezburgerBrown . (3417019) | about 5 months ago | (#47376559)

You're not the only one.

Sports VS competition (3, Insightful)

phorm (591458) | about 5 months ago | (#47376695)

I dunno, I've always equated "sport" with some physical activity. Certainly gaming can be a competition, but is it really a sport? Similar I've heard of chess tournaments referred to as competitions rather than as sports.

Re:simple fix (2)

sribe (304414) | about 5 months ago | (#47376107)

What is a "real sport" anyway?

Well, let's see... There has to be some kind of physical skills involved. Check. There has to be some kind of scoring system in place by which one can observe the participants and objectively declare a winner. Check.

Or, in other words: Bowling is a sport. Figure skating is not. Video games are.

Re:simple fix (1)

StripedCow (776465) | about 5 months ago | (#47376159)

What is a "real sport" anyway?

It is essentially a freak-show. The freaks of nature win the competition.

Re:simple fix (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | about 5 months ago | (#47376279)

How about rock-paper-scissors?
[X] physical skills involved
[X] some kind of scoring system
[X] objectively declare winner
Ticks all your boxes!

Re:simple fix (1)

sribe (304414) | about 5 months ago | (#47376301)

How about rock-paper-scissors?

Yes, it's a sport. A stupid, boring, incredibly lame sport, but...

Re:simple fix (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | about 5 months ago | (#47376403)

What about Bingo?

Bingo involves the physical act of moving your hand to tick the scorecard, and there's a clear, objective winner.

Re:simple fix (2)

Chris Mattern (191822) | about 5 months ago | (#47376651)

How about rock-paper-scissors?
[X] physical skills involved
[X] some kind of scoring system
[X] objectively declare winner
Ticks all your boxes!

And guess what? It's [usarps.com] a [worldrps.com] sport! [foxnews.com]

Re:simple fix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47376843)

So would you say boxing is not a real sport, since matches frequently go to judges?

Re:simple fix (1)

jeepies (3654153) | about 5 months ago | (#47376151)

Sport: 1) a contest or game in which people do certain physical activities according to a specific set of rules and compete against each other 2) a physical activity (such as hunting, fishing, running, swimming, etc.) that is done for enjoyment

Re:simple fix (1)

NoZart (961808) | about 5 months ago | (#47376251)

Chess.

Re:simple fix (1)

Nutria (679911) | about 5 months ago | (#47376347)

By definition (sport: an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature), chess is not a sport. It's a game.

("Sport" is a subset of "Game", but idiomatically some sports -- trap shooting for example -- are not considered "games".)

Re:simple fix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47376555)

Chess involves physical movement, and it's competitive. Damn fool.

Re:simple fix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47376343)

Last I checked we don't play games with our brains. Soon though, soon! The day Brain Computer interfaces become accessible to any random person will be great.

Let's see you press a button / key 17 times per second consistently without pulling a sweat.
I can't even do 14 consistently, and I have pretty damn twitchy arms, which was great for shading in pencil, and keyboards, be it music or typing, I always beat everyone in school because of that, and annoyed teachers due to it, pretty hilarious and silly if you ask me. Why be annoyed that someone finished your work? Give'em more! (I remember he said I needed to stop lazing off in my report card one year and pay attention, I was literally better than everyone else in the class, I even got the highest score! It was like he was trying to get me in trouble or something, that dick)
I do miss school though. And now it is dust, my childhood gone.

Still, physical, if there is any level of mainly physical activity that puts the body in to an active state, it counts as physical exertion.
Games, especially competitive, make peoples hearts race as fast as any one of the four things you mentioned.
Not only that, it involves even more thinking than two of them.
Where is the physical in fishing and hunting? Sit, point and release / reel.
There is almost the same level of physical activity in a Wii game than there is both of those.
Oh, sure, that includes walking to the place does it, so that makes literally everything a sport by proxy.

Re:simple fix (1)

sunking2 (521698) | about 5 months ago | (#47376739)

Apparently something where men and women perform differently.

Re:simple fix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47376049)

As soon as we stop pretending watching people exercising on tv is a real sport.

Re:simple fix (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47376073)

Stop pretending sports are something other than games.

Re:simple fix (1)

jeepies (3654153) | about 5 months ago | (#47376173)

Sports involve physical activity.

Re:simple fix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47376263)

Then why is Chess considered a sport. Sports do not require physical activity, they require competition.

Re:simple fix (1)

Tridus (79566) | about 5 months ago | (#47376511)

Is it? Go to a busy street corner and ask 100 people if they think Chess is a sport. The overwhelming majority will say no.

Chess is a sport in the same way that spelling bees are a sport - they're not. They are competitions with rules and winners though (like sports).

Re:simple fix (1)

jeIlomizer (3670951) | about 5 months ago | (#47376599)

Then anything could be a sport. And it probably could be, because these terms are ambiguous as hell.

Re:simple fix (1)

Rhaban (987410) | about 5 months ago | (#47376639)

Then why is Chess considered a sport. Sports do not require physical activity, they require competition.

Because people are afraid of the word "game".

Chess is a game. Not a sport. Football is a sport and a game. Running is a sport and not a game.

Re:simple fix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47376267)

Dexterity, Hand-Eye coordination, reaction time, and endurance are all physical activities. Competitive gamers do have to be physically fit.

Re:simple fix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47376411)

Of course, do you think that these cheetos and mountain dew diet is because they just like it? They have to maintain their body.

Re: simple fix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47376501)

So does masturbation. We can score several metrics objectively, and segregation by gender is definitely convenient. Do we get federated? When is the Redtube Cup?

Re:simple fix (1)

The_PS4_Will_Fail (2847449) | about 5 months ago | (#47376533)

Life involves physical activity. Where do you draw the line? What's enough "physical activity" to qualify? Is Jeopardy a sport? There's physical activity involved in pressing that motherfucking button, right?

What about charades? Obviously no one plays charades in real life but they do it in movies so let's analyze it like it's a real thing. There can be quite a bit of physical activity there and there is scoring with an objective winner. Is that a sport? If so, why is that a sport but Monopoly isn't?

The physical activity bit just feels like a terrible line to draw because it is so arbitrary and hard to judge.

How about this: people can call whatever the fuck they want a sport and then we just go with it.

Re:simple fix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47376609)

So does playing a game.

Let's see you laze around while actively playing a game and see you lose spectacularly at it.
The majority of an active gamers body is tensed up while playing games. Heartbeat reaches that of a person running very actively.
They require their entire arms and fingers to be able to switch between activities incredibly quickly, which also requires a huge mental component to it too.
Gaming is more bodily demanding than a run is.

Unless they have so much fat that their body alone can keep itself upright without effort. Fat gamers are not gamers, they aren't even real people, just shadows of people that once existed. Extremely huge sunrise / sunset shadows that is. They should be BBQ'd. Actually maybe not, they'd taste like soda drinks and potato snacks.

Re:simple fix (1)

Chas (5144) | about 5 months ago | (#47376109)

Pretty much.

Now I don't deny that playing many of these games at the top levels involves lots of skill and practice.
But it's more akin to playing an instrument than participating a sport.

Re:simple fix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47376121)

Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean that it shouldn't have it's chance.

I think this whole ordeal can be solved relatively easily by using this Finnish league as an example of 'how not to do it'. eSports is a mainly male-dominated sector, last I checked, so I can't see why there would be a reason to divide it into gender-leagues if there are teams that have both males and females that have already found their team dynamic, or individual competitors that have fought hard to be recognized for their skill. This shouldn't be a problem, this is relatively common sense. Having played PC competitively for years, the mentality of video games as a 'boy's only club' is already an albatross around the scene, and is one that is rapidly evaporating as the female gamer is being given increasing attention as far as content, characters, and choices. As more women get into the video game scene, there should be more female eSports competitors. This seems to be a preemptive attempt to "keep the community pure", which has been a horrid notion anytime it has been used throughout history, for things far more important than competive video games.

Re:simple fix (1)

cloud.pt (3412475) | about 5 months ago | (#47376139)

You mean like they still haven't done with chess?

-1 for patriarchy.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47375933)

oh, and finland?
-1 for white privilege.

Like we need to discourage the fairer sex any more (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47375943)

There isn't enough female gamers out there professionally as is! All this will do is narrow the spectrum of professional e-sports players!

Absolutely bloody crazy! What were they THINKING?

the real reason? (0, Troll)

Cardoor (3488091) | about 5 months ago | (#47375949)

maybe its that some already ego-threatened gamers can't stomach the idea of being beaten by a GURL? jeez... man up maybe it's a finnish inferiority complex..

Re:the real reason? (1)

Marneus68 (2329096) | about 5 months ago | (#47376241)

The real reason apparently is that real sports all are "Segregated By Sex". They just wanted to be a real sports league I guess.

Re:the real reason? (1)

Cardoor (3488091) | about 5 months ago | (#47376313)

yearning to emulate sexist/exclusive behavior with no fundamental reason (eg, a valid physiological rationale) other than wanting to 'be recognized' by other sexist/exclusive groups is not something i support.

Re:the real reason? (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | about 5 months ago | (#47376325)

Three words in reply to the "real sports are all segregated by sex" argument: "Mixed doubles tennis".

Re:the real reason? (1)

Oligonicella (659917) | about 5 months ago | (#47376663)

The word "all" was indeed incorrect, but sports that do not have an enforced male/female ratio are segregated for good reason.

Re:the real reason? (1)

Chris Mattern (191822) | about 5 months ago | (#47376693)

Which is segregated by sex. You *must* have one man, and one woman. You can't have a man in the woman's slot, you can't have a woman in the man's slot.

Re:the real reason? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47376249)

Do you also tell negro's that they are all dirty thieves and welfare mouchers and should go back to Africa?

Just wanted to know how consistent your bigotry is being applied.

Re:the real reason? (4, Funny)

hendrips (2722525) | about 5 months ago | (#47376321)

If you read up on the IeSF, it becomes much more clear what is going on.

-The IeSF is a South Korean organization; it is not Finnish. Ok, technically, it has a number of "member nations," but it is dominated by South Koreans. This tournament in Finland was a local qualifier for a larger international tournament. The local (Finnish) tournament organizers protested against the male-only rule, but couldn't convince the IeSF to relent until the media backlash started.

-The people who run the the IeSF aren't young male hormonal gamers. They are, by and large, middle-aged male executives at media and marketing companies. Their ultimate goal is to become the equivalent of the International Olympic Committee of e-sports, so that their companies can commercialize e-sports in the same way the Olympics were commercialized. However, they haven't been all that successful yet - they don't control any big-name tournaments in any of the games that I follow.

-As I mentioned already, the guys making the rules are older Koreans. I'll quote an interesting anecdote I saw on Ars Technica's [arstechnica.com] comments:

Koreans can be remarkably thoughtlessly sexist (and racist, etc) without thinking about the broader implications. This is highly visible every time you park a car in a modern shopping center - there are reserved spots for women. The parking lanes (marked in pink) are wider and closer to the entrances. These aren't parking spots for expectant mothers or women with small children. These are parking spots for all women, with forethought that they're doing women a favor because they can't park cars as well as men. Westerners see this kind of thing and are instantly offended by the blatant sexism. A Korean will be confused as to why you don't see that women are obviously better off this way.

Re:the real reason? (2)

Cardoor (3488091) | about 5 months ago | (#47376367)

in that case, i apologize for chastising (albeit in a tongue in cheek manner) fins in any way. sounds like its (unsurprisingly) about old moneyed men making rules to perpetuate the status quo and their wallets. glad to see people are realizing so many of these old ideas are stale

Sex? (4, Funny)

Sir_Eptishous (873977) | about 5 months ago | (#47375955)

requires that competitors be segregated on grounds of sex

Right, those that have sex with a partner and those that don't.

Re:Sex? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47376051)

"Sex" is the right word. Can you imagine the mess if they tried to segregate based on "Gender"?

Re:Sex? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47376061)

Come, come. 'Sex' is the correct word. As my grammar teachers used to say, "People have sex, words have gender." Never forgot THAT rule.

Re:Sex? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47376089)

Sadly that's not true any more. Welcome to newspeak, where you can have a penis but still be a "woman." One is sex (the penis part) the other is "gender" according to our new "politically correct" overlords.

Re:Sex? (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about 5 months ago | (#47376127)

Right, those that have sex with a partner and those that don't.

Makes it easy - rent one giant auditorium and one meeting room.

Cargo-Cult Sociology (4, Insightful)

Hentai (165906) | about 5 months ago | (#47375969)

"I don't know why it's important for physical sports to have gender segregation, but they do it and people recognize them as legitimate! If we segregate by gender, maybe that's what will make people recognize us as legitimate!"

Just like in programming, this line of thinking clearly translates down to "I have no idea what I'm doing, and I have no idea what the consequences of these choices are, but I'm just going to bang at things until something works or everything breaks."

(Spoiler alert: usually, everything breaks.)

Re:Cargo-Cult Sociology (1)

khallow (566160) | about 5 months ago | (#47376099)

(Spoiler alert: usually, everything breaks.)

Damn. I was going to see that movie! :(

Re:Cargo-Cult Sociology (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47377131)

Well... well... try telling that to women tennis players. They want to be paid MORE per set than men by demanding equal prize money.

The suggestion that they should just get rid of the separate men/women tournament is greeted with horror... why... because the highest ranked woman tennis player ever wouldn't even take a set off any man in the top 300.

They would never win a penny playing tennis.

not the norm in other non-athletic competitions (5, Informative)

Trepidity (597) | about 5 months ago | (#47375975)

Poker tournaments aren't gender-segregated, for example, and they are probably one of the more successful non-athletic sports. The main chess competitions are also open to people of any gender.

There are sometimes gender-specific events, but they are promotional/recruiting things rather than the main event. For example there's a Women's World Chess Championship, but some of the best chess-playing women choose not to enter it, and enter the main (gender-integrated) tournaments instead.

Re:not the norm in other non-athletic competitions (1)

cloud.pt (3412475) | about 5 months ago | (#47376235)

I'm betting this has something to do with the amount of money poker moves around and live tournaments' marketing influence on online poker spending. As opposed to online tournaments, which have a fraction of the marketing influence on games profitability.

You rarely see gambling-centered regulation making much waves because winners and losers want to avoid such regulations. One out of greed and the other out of vice. So lobbying is pretty easy for most things gambling.

Re:not the norm in other non-athletic competitions (1)

Dr. Gamera (1548195) | about 5 months ago | (#47376977)

A similar situation exists in the card game bridge. There are three major classes of events: open (men and women), women's (only), and senior (old men and old women). There are some mixed events as well (each partnership must have one man and one woman). Teams including a woman win open events from time to time, including at the highest levels. However, by sheer numbers, most of the top players are male -- notwithstanding the era in which Dorothy Hayden Truscott may have been the best player of either sex in the world.

Re:not the norm in other non-athletic competitions (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about 5 months ago | (#47377011)

Poker tournaments aren't gender-segregated, for example, and they are probably one of the more successful non-athletic sports. The main chess competitions are also open to people of any gender.

I don't think there is any sport that is specifically male-only. Sometimes women do well in baseball, for example [wikipedia.org]

to help future generations of dorky male teens.. (3, Insightful)

Cardoor (3488091) | about 5 months ago | (#47375979)

im old now and happily married.. but if i was still a teenager, i would really appreciate anything that could be done to encourage more girls (preferably hot ones) to pick up gaming.. (so they could come over to my house and play). these regulations are cock-blocking our dorky-teen brethren!!

That sounds sexist (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47376439)

I'm reading that as "girls, join gaming for the benefit of young horny teenage boys who'll gawk at you, hit on you, etc"

I'd prefer if girls join gaming for their own benefit.

Re:That sounds sexist (1)

Cardoor (3488091) | about 5 months ago | (#47376887)

sorry you read it that way. not my intention at all it wasnt addressed 'at' girls in any way, and more importantly, it was meant as a joke addressed to all the current and former dorky teens (myself very much included) who yearned for a girlfriend amidst their social ineptitude. p.s. i question what 'benefit' joining gaming is for anyone really, beyond entertainment value (isnt that the point?). not exactly curing cancer. but it is fun.

Re:That sounds sexist (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47377141)

I guess I don't find the joke particularly funny.

Well, fun is a benefit. My point I think girls should join because they find it fun, not because it'll entertain the boys.

Pole Vaulting? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47376007)

Did they really have to use pole vaulting as an example? Are they TRYING to bait the 13-year-old male readers?

Re:Pole Vaulting? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47376091)

Maybe jumping over Poles is a popular sport in Finland

No Longer News (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47376031)

They already changed their stance.

http://ie-sf.com/bbs/board.php?bo_table=iesf_notice&wr_id=105

Re:No Longer News (1)

Guspaz (556486) | about 5 months ago | (#47376133)

They changed their stance slightly, they're still going for gender-segregated tournaments. They'll have "mixed" and "female-only" tournaments. That isn't an improvement.

Re:No Longer News (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47376259)

Since that link has already been slashdotted, and goes to a Korean "traffic exceeded" page: Google cache [googleusercontent.com]

interesting times... (4, Interesting)

gandhi_2 (1108023) | about 5 months ago | (#47376033)

i see this debate in shooting sports going the other way.

there really aren't any good reasons why a female should be a worse marksman or shooting competitor than a male. in fact, small efficient muscles and better color eyesight make females more ideal than males.

so a lot of people think that there should be no gender seperation in shooting sport competitions, and I tend to agree. but for some reason, the top females can never quite break into the top levels with the top males. just last year, Jessie Duff became the first female USPSA grand master-level shooter. on paper, there's no reason why they can't be as competitive as the guys, but in reality it just hasn't happened. so we end up with segregated competitions (in most cases. there ARE plenty of gender-immeterial competitions out there) to keep it "fair".

disclaimer: i will never be able to compete against the competitive girls.

Re:interesting times... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47376205)

Why is it a bad thing to have the best woman shooter in the world be placed 200th overall when you include the men? Why is it bad if she never wins a major tournament because other shooters are better then her?

Re:interesting times... (1)

Nutria (679911) | about 5 months ago | (#47376275)

I don't think that GP is saying that it's bad, just that it is.

Re:interesting times... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47376669)

he says "but in reality it just hasn't happened. so we end up with segregated competitions"

My point is why is it a foregone conclusion that we end up with segregated competitions. Why can't we have integrated competitions and the woman just lose because they can't compete.

Re:interesting times... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47376881)

Because then people's feelings would be hurt. Can't have that. The sexists who look down on women are disgraced when women are put in their presence.

Re:interesting times... (4, Insightful)

hweimer (709734) | about 5 months ago | (#47376255)

so a lot of people think that there should be no gender seperation in shooting sport competitions, and I tend to agree. but for some reason, the top females can never quite break into the top levels with the top males.

This is simply not true. Margeret Murdock [wikipedia.org] won a silver medal at the 1976 Olympics (she lost the battle for gold under very controversial circumstances) and set four individual world records. In the eighties, most shooting sports became gender-segregated, the only exceptions being skeet and trap, which became gender-segregated right after a woman (Zhang Shan [wikipedia.org] ) had won the gold medal in the skeet competition in 1992. There are other examples as well.

So, if today's women are no longer competitive with men, then that's certainly a consequence of gender segregation and not an argument for it.

Re:interesting times... (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | about 5 months ago | (#47376357)

+1 insightful. Wish I hadn't already commented.

Re:interesting times... (4, Informative)

gandhi_2 (1108023) | about 5 months ago | (#47376497)

ahh, the "certain amazonian society" argument whereby someone seeks to argue against the prevalent facts by citing some small exceptions.

of course there will be a few exceptionally talented black swans that show up from time to time. these are exceptions to the rule.

for the year-after-year slog of shooters making their way to various competitions up to the top... WPW's, Camp Perry, USPSA nationals, IPSC championships, and all the hundreds of others, including the olympics, the males statistically dominate the top.

as far as I know, none of the scores are scaled differently for male vs female. the courses-of-fire are generally the same. the scores can be compared apples-to-apples, but we just hand out more trophies. females don't do worse BECAUSE of the separation, that is ridiculous.

Re:interesting times... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47376345)

small efficient muscles and better color eyesight make females more ideal than males.

Uh. So then it's good that is segregated by gender, otherwise females would have the upper hand in the competition.

Re:interesting times... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47377035)

Actually i thought it was because the eyes evovled for different tasks in Men and Women, Men with typically more tunel vision spatial viewing and women have more of peripheral watch everything vision

Pay attention, people.... (2)

mark-t (151149) | about 5 months ago | (#47376041)

Checking the source... [peliliiga.fi]

Update:
The gender restriction rule has been removed, we thank everyone who took part in this process.

I'm betting they received enough bad press and comments about it to realize that this particular approach was not the appropriate avenue to take for being "recognized",. as they say.... as equivalent to sports.

Re:Pay attention, people.... (1)

Tridus (79566) | about 5 months ago | (#47376081)

They did, and they also got a negative response from Blizzard (who own the relevant game). Faced with that, they wised up.

I think you can attribute this one to stupidity more than anything else.

Oh please (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about 5 months ago | (#47376043)

There are sports that are a lot more physical than gaming (although 1 is also a lot more than 0) where men and women compete against each other. Online, in arcades, in split-screen games on couches - that is, in the "real world" of gaming, men and women compete against each other. I'm pretty sure in Chess, which is roughly as physical as gaming, again men and women compete against each other.

This is silly.

Handicapping should come next (0)

gelfling (6534) | about 5 months ago | (#47376047)

If you're a gay black handicapped Muslim refugee from Mexico you get +50% off the bat.

Pole vaulting? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47376067)

Oh damn! I thought this was pole dancing... I don't want to see men doing that!

Already changed (2)

Tridus (79566) | about 5 months ago | (#47376071)

This has already been changed: http://www.polygon.com/2014/7/... [polygon.com]

There was a huge backlash on social media, which drew Blizzard's attention. Blizzard kindly made it clear that they didn't want their game being used in a male-only tournament, and the problem was fixed.

Slashdot is pretty far behind on this one.

Re:Already changed (-1, Troll)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | about 5 months ago | (#47376085)

Yeah but the mansplaining^w comments are what make slashdot great! :D

Re:Already changed (1)

Guspaz (556486) | about 5 months ago | (#47376149)

They still have gender-specific tournaments. They've changed their policy, but they haven't fixed it.

Re:Already changed (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47376393)

Doesn't matter. Now the problem will be hurt feelings over the guys ogling, hitting on, stalking, objectifying, and/or mocking and insulting the ladies. And of course there will be plenty of butt-hurt coming from the guys who got beat by a girl. yey, fun.

Re:Already changed (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47376465)

They still run segregated tournaments. There is an open for all tournament, and a women only tournament. It's just the acceptable version of segregation.

...Why? (2, Interesting)

Joe Gillian (3683399) | about 5 months ago | (#47376077)

I know plenty of competitive game players, mostly from the competitive Team Fortress 2 scene. Now, I can understand why real sports are segregated by sex - there are irreconcilable physical differences between men and women in terms of athletic performance in some sports, thus it's simply not fair to have men competing against women. However, I don't get how this would apply to video games, where there is effectively no difference between the sexes. I have, in fact, seen female comp players who completely destroy me (largely because I don't play comp due to my favorite and only class being Engineer).

Also, there were at least two or three female runners at this year's Summer Games Done Quick. One of them did a very skilled race of Octodad against a male player, and was even ahead at one point - until the very end when she failed to get a very RNG-centric glitch to occur (the male player got it on the first try, but they both admitted that getting that glitch to occur is purely random). Another did a 7.5 hour run of Final Fantasy VI and actually out-lasted the male player she was co-opping with (from what I remember, he switched out about 5 or 6 hours in).

Re:...Why? (1)

Shados (741919) | about 5 months ago | (#47376339)

Not saying I agree with separating the sex, but I can see why you would want to.

When talking about competition like this, you're talking about the very tip top of players, at which point, differences that would be minute to insignificant day to day (practice and training trump any biological difference, even when playing football. A girl who plays football 50x more than a guy will kick his ass at it pretty much no matter what) start showing up.

At the 0.1%, maybe men can click faster, maybe women can keep track of more things at once. Who knows, but I'd be very very surprised if, all other things being equal, members of one sex or the other didn't come up drastically on top. Which one it will be? Who knows, right now women just don't have the numbers in these type of e-competition to be statistically significant, but one day, they probably will be. And then maybe we'll be like "Whoops, there was a difference after all"

Re:...Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47376753)

What? Why can't men and women compete, with the losers... losing? Even if women are statistically at a great disadvantage, why not just let them lose? Is losing a competition so bad that we have to shield the snowflakes from the experience?

Avatar & Silliness (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47376083)

So, If Pat uses a male avatar, and Sam uses a female avatar which group does each contest in?

Contrived is not strong enough of a word. If I were to guess, is that they do not want a girl, trouncing a guy's ego.

Hippism? (1)

rnbc (174939) | about 5 months ago | (#47376281)

Hippism is not segregated, as far as I know, and is an olympic sport...

Re:Hippism? (2)

rnbc (174939) | about 5 months ago | (#47376299)

PS: Sorry, it's called "Equestrianism" in english, sorry :P

None of the equestrian disciplines are segregated by sex as far as I know...

Re:Hippism? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47376459)

Are the horses separated by gender? They are the ones doing the actual work.

Re:Hippism? (1)

WhoEvrIwant2b (1165497) | about 5 months ago | (#47376711)

Some races are available only to male or female horses but most non-timed competitions are open to either gender.

Re:Hippism? (2)

WhoEvrIwant2b (1165497) | about 5 months ago | (#47376685)

The unfortunate thing is at the college level equestrian teams are now considered a female sport in the USA so that their funding can balance out male sports due to Title 9 requiring equal spending. I have no idea how this will reflect in the sport in the long run but it certainly prevented me from competing in college where as a male I would have to pay for all of my own lessons and competitions. I doubt there will be much change in the upper levels as one of the biggest factors is still quality of horse (money) but I am curious to watch long term trends.

The policy has been updated (1, Funny)

argStyopa (232550) | about 5 months ago | (#47376283)

...so that now it's only men that are excluded from some events. Victory!

Hooray for "equality"....

No reason to be "outraged." (1)

B33rNinj4 (666756) | about 5 months ago | (#47376335)

First, using the word "segregated" is a bit too strong in this case. Yes, it still means separation, but for many, it carries a different history. That being said, I don't agree with their policy on separation by gender. I think it's kind of pointless in an eSports format, and I'm glad someone is finally drawing attention to it. However, the vitriol and excessive anger is highly inappropriate, and it makes me disappointed in people like Wil Wheaton and others who have been up in arms about a policy that was put in place several YEARS ago. Where was the anger then? Where was the eSports community's rage then? Chess is still separated this way. Where's the anger? Yes, it's not equal. Yes, it should change. The gnashing of teeth and the pounding of fists needs to stop though. It's a little late to become that pissed off.

Missing the point (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47376791)

Basically, normal sports are segregated so that there can be top athletes who are non-male.

This allows them to inspire young women to be good in sports.

Women are allowed to compete in maie competetitions, they just don't stand a chance in almost all sports.

I hardly ever watch E-sports, or normal sports.
But if women are grossly underrepresented the same could be true there?

I dunno.

Missing the point (1)

Andtalath (1074376) | about 5 months ago | (#47376805)

Sorry for repost, but I want to see potential feedback and was AC.

Basically, normal sports are segregated so that there can be top athletes who are non-male.

This allows them to inspire young women to be good in sports.

Women are allowed to compete in maie competetitions, they just don't stand a chance in almost all sports.

I hardly ever watch E-sports, or normal sports.
But if women are grossly underrepresented the same could be true there?

I dunno.

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