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Anita Sarkeesian, Creator of "Tropes vs. Women," Driven From Home By Trolls

timothy posted about 3 months ago | from the bad-childhoods-never-end dept.

Crime 1262

Sonny Yatsen writes: Anita Sarkeesian, the creator of Tropes vs. Women — a video series exploring negative tropes and misogynistic depictions of women in video games — reports that she has been driven from her home after a series of extremely violent sexual threats made against her. Her videos have previously drawn criticism from many male gamers, often coupled with violent imagery or threats of violence. The Verge story linked has this to say: The threats against Sarkeesian have become a nasty backdrop to her entire project — and her life. If the trolls making them hoped for attention, they've gotten it. They've also inexorably linked criticism of her work, valid or not, with semi-delusional vigilantism, and arguably propelled Tropes vs. Women to its current level of visibility. If a major plank of your platform is that misogyny is a lie propagated by Sarkeesian and other "social justice warriors," it might help to not constantly prove it wrong.

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Her work (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774073)

Is awful. Her "points" are silly, and I wouldn't be surprised if this was a sham put on by her to get more attention.

Re:Her work (5, Insightful)

mellon (7048) | about 3 months ago | (#47774151)

The topic, which you might get if you read the summary, is that she's received credible death threats. Do you think it's okay for people to receive death threats when they say something you don't agree with? E.g., was it okay when they put a price on Salman Rushdie's head?

Re: Her work (-1, Troll)

loufoque (1400831) | about 3 months ago | (#47774191)

If you insult a whole gender, getting insults back is kind of expected.

Re: Her work (4, Insightful)

Daetrin (576516) | about 3 months ago | (#47774243)

Really? She insulted a whole gender? I'm male, and last i checked she hadn't said anything that insulted me. And that's aside from the whole point that death threats are an entirely different kettle of fish from just insults.

"I disagree with your argument, your points are stupid and you are an idiot" is not the same as "I am going to come over to to your house and rape you and kill you."

Re: Her work (-1, Flamebait)

loufoque (1400831) | about 3 months ago | (#47774313)

It's unreasonable to expect people on the Internet to act civiziled.

Re: Her work (5, Insightful)

i kan reed (749298) | about 3 months ago | (#47774423)

It's reasonable to expect all people to refrain from credibly threatening the lives of others.

Re: Her work (3, Interesting)

Opportunist (166417) | about 3 months ago | (#47774449)

I'm not insulted either. Mostly because, like you, I'm male.

That's not the gender she insulted...

Re: Her work (5, Insightful)

Daemonik (171801) | about 3 months ago | (#47774249)

Or, you know, you might do a little introspection on the fact that a criticism is not an insult, and perhaps there are more than a few grains of truth in what she might have to say.

Re: Her work (-1, Redundant)

loufoque (1400831) | about 3 months ago | (#47774343)

A lot of people would view this as an insult. Youtube is not exactly the sort of place where people do a lot of introspection and self-reflection before posting.

Re: Her work (5, Insightful)

mellon (7048) | about 3 months ago | (#47774289)

Huh. I'm male, and I didn't feel insulted. I am also concerned about the issues she raised, and support her exploration of them, although I do not always agree with her conclusions. Why is it "insulting the entire gender" to say "gosh, you might want to consider whether using dead female bodies posed in necrophilic-erotic positions is really a healthy or appropriate thing to do." Personally I find it insulting to my gender that the creators of the game thing I would willingly tolerate such imagery. Essentially what the game producers are saying is "men are brutes with no compassion, let's pander to that." It's disgusting and insulting.

Re: Her work (-1, Flamebait)

loufoque (1400831) | about 3 months ago | (#47774411)

Huh. I'm male, and I didn't feel insulted.

That's cool, but that's irrelevant. You're not everyone.

Re: Her work (5, Insightful)

i kan reed (749298) | about 3 months ago | (#47774291)

And, of course, she didn't do that. She insulted some common lazy writing and setting shortcuts that are used in fiction that also (sometimes) happen to be rather sexist.

There's no war on men, and in her latest series(I can't remember her older work perfectly, I seem to recall it's true there too, but let's keep it recent) she never makes even one even vaguely oblique reference to men as a collective. Not one. Neither positive or negative. She talks about assumptions of male audiences a bit, but that's clearly in reference to the thought processes of the developers.

Don't mistake this as an endorsement of her points all being correct, just none of them are this gendered insult strawman you're using to excuse inexcusable behavior.

Re: Her work (-1, Flamebait)

loufoque (1400831) | about 3 months ago | (#47774433)

The pieces of work she characterizes as "vile" are life-defining to some people.
Surely you see where the insult lies.

Re: Her work (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 3 months ago | (#47774327)

A) She didn't insult a whole gender
B) This is more the insults.

Perspective, Gets Some!

Re: Her work (-1, Flamebait)

Dishevel (1105119) | about 3 months ago | (#47774349)

It is expected. It is not legal though. Those that perpetrated this crime should be caught and punished.

That said. She is a stupid fucking bitch that should, nevertheless feel safe from physical threats of violence as she makes her way through her pathetic, retarded life.

Re: Her work (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774359)

Thank you for the succinct explanation of why none of 'em are getting laid.

Re: Her work (5, Informative)

Sonny Yatsen (603655) | about 3 months ago | (#47774365)

I watched some of her videos last night. I don't see where she insulted a gender at all. At most, she takes game developers to task for using cheap, clichéd tropes about women as decorative or damsel in distress because they want an easy (or lazy) shorthand for character development or to get a cheap emotional response from the gamer.

Re: Her work (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774431)

Insults yes, death threats no, how are the two the same exactly? when are death treats ever an appropriate response to insults?

Of course she is not actually insulting all men, at least not deliberately, so even just the level of insults she is getting is beyond the normal, to the extent that in at least some cases people must feel that she is cutting close to the bone. This does not mean that she is correct in her assertions, but people get away with a lot worse in terms of both offence and incorrect assertions and get little or no response. Even if you work on the assumption that she is totally wrong, this goes so far beyond that that at the very least many of these people lack in perspective possibly also sanity.

Re:Her work (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774221)

Where does it say (in the summary) that the threats are credible? It only says that she has reported that there have been threats. It doesn't mention confirmation by anyone else.

Thinking threats are bad and thinking she was actually threatened are two different things.

Re:Her work (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774315)

How can you tell when you receive a lot of death threats whether any of them are credible? Some people are very angry about what she has been saying, probably most of them don't think it would be a god idea to kill her, but in this case most is the operative word, especially when the people giving them know where you live....

Re:Her work (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774229)

received credible death threats

What makes them credible?

Re:Her work (1)

mellon (7048) | about 3 months ago | (#47774309)

Oh FFS. RFTA. The threats are credible enough to take seriously. They contain information no sensible person would willingly post about themselves in such a context.

Re:Her work (4, Insightful)

i kan reed (749298) | about 3 months ago | (#47774235)

There's this relatively conflation of negative female stereotypes and feminists among MRA types that helps drive this. So they like to take all the bad things old-school misogynists about women, and pretend it's just true of (all) feminists.

"Emotionally manipulative liars" is one of those old school stereotypes about women, and so AC here takes that typification, and extrapolates it onto Sarkeesian without any sort of evidence to bear out that she's actually like that. It's sad that some people become tentatively aware of gender issues, and immediately turn that into overwhelming sexism.

Re:Her work (3, Insightful)

Dishevel (1105119) | about 3 months ago | (#47774421)

Did you ever notice that in every commercial the dad is the stupid one?

That the white guy is always the burglar?

That the mom is always the smart savior?

I am really ok with the fact that men are not the weakest and stupidest characters in a video game.

Re:Her work (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774335)

Anita has a history of crying wolf. Her disciples, such as Zoe Quinn, tend to do the same thing. She needs more sympathy money, and some of us feel so guilty about the actions of a few that we buy her stories hook line and sinker.

Re:Her work (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774387)

Heck, no. But that still doesn't mean she is right unless you consider a small fraction of nutbars to be representative of an entire gender, a generalization that is fraught with problems no matter which gender we're talking about.

Re:Her work (0)

TangoMargarine (1617195) | about 3 months ago | (#47774417)

In the U.S., when you say something that offends me I sue you for 8 bajillion dollars "emotional damages." In the Middle East, when you say something that offends me I just kill you.

Is the West more civilized? We smile as we ruin someone's life over ego but leave them alive. On the other hand, killing someone for drawing a picture of Mohammed is gross overkill.

Re:Her work (1)

QilessQi (2044624) | about 3 months ago | (#47774293)

That you posted this AC tells us everything we need to know about you.

*Dons asbestos suit* (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774083)

Is there anything to corroborate this? Sounds like great publicity.

*Dons asbestos suit* (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774153)

Someone, somewhere said something mean on the *internet*, you say? Do tell!

Re:*Dons asbestos suit* (-1, Flamebait)

i kan reed (749298) | about 3 months ago | (#47774167)

Maybe the fact that there have been tens of thousands of threats(of admittedly varying degrees) made against her in less private venues already, and people like you will go out of your way to defend it for no apparent reason.

The amount of actual evidence out there that Sarkeesian has been willing to lie about threats is zero, and so randomly assuming that is kinda just stupid and shitty.

Re:*Dons asbestos suit* (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774259)

The amount of actual evidence out there

Please present it. I don't think you can.

Re:*Dons asbestos suit* (1, Funny)

i kan reed (749298) | about 3 months ago | (#47774303)

Uh, when I said the amount of evidence is zero... what exactly do you expect me to present?

Did you read more than half of one sentence?

Re:*Dons asbestos suit* (1)

Mansing (42708) | about 3 months ago | (#47774377)

Obviously not. Which merely makes the point about trolls even stronger.

Re:*Dons asbestos suit* (2, Informative)

Ioldanach (88584) | about 3 months ago | (#47774409)

The amount of actual evidence out there that Sarkeesian has been willing to lie about threats is zero

Please present it. I don't think you can.

How is someone supposed to present evidence of no evidence? The OP cannot find any existing evidence that Sarkeesian has lied or is willing to lie about threats. I suppose they could present their search result pages, but that doesn't actually prove anything.

As for evidence of the threats, here's a post she made on twitter highlighting an example of a specific threat [twitter.com]

Re:*Dons asbestos suit* (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774369)

No no, the "reason is; If one person makes a threat they're clearly an unstable anti-social lunatic. If a thousand people make threats, "well if you piss off a thousand people, you had it coming. Mobs of people are the most rational, organized and they can used the power of their combined intelligence to act in the most appropriate fashion."

Re:*Dons asbestos suit* (5, Insightful)

Daetrin (576516) | about 3 months ago | (#47774173)

I do not personally know of any specific corroboration of this event. However i personally know one female who has told me that she's seen harassment at her job in the game industry. A large number of other females that i don't personally know have reported being harassed either while working in the game industry or while playing games. (Not to mention in a lot of other situations not involving games at all.) A number of males have corroborated a number of those accusations. Joss Whedon was told he should kill himself because he retweeted Sarkeesian.

So either there's a massive conspiracy to create the appearance of problem where this is none, or women get harassed a lot, as do a lot of men that try to support them (though usually not to the same degree.) And the problem seems to be exacerbated when they try to get involved in gamer or geek culture. (Or at least i am more aware of it in that case.)

Which means that there's plenty of circumstantial evidence supporting her statement. I'm certainly willing to accept it at face value unless there's some hard evidence presented to disprove it.

All of her free time and then some (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774187)

If this is a publicity stunt, then she has a lot of free time or lots of help in creating accounts, posting crap and the imagination to sound completely different in every post.

But as far as the death threats, I wouldn't take them seriously. It looks like they were made by a bunch of cowardly dorks from their parent's basement and wouldn't have the guts to even talk to this girl - or ANY girl, for that matter - let alone actually harm her. And posting their crap, they are actually helping her case.

Re:All of her free time and then some (3, Informative)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | about 3 months ago | (#47774237)

She has 114 thousand followers on twitter, 150k subscribers on YouTube and whenever she puts out a video it gets picked up by Kotaku, Polygon/Verge, Destructoid, etc.

Publicity stunt? Not fucking likely.

After Elliott Rodger, even if it's a freak occurrence, one would hate to be the exception to that rule given that life is on the line.

Here we go again (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774095)

Yes the subject is uncomfortable and no she isn't completely correct. Her arguments open to plenty of valid criticism that the female gender is not always misused in video games.

The problem is and will always be a reactionary subset of people who cannot be peer pressured into behaving like sane human beings on the Internet. You don't respond to a feminist critique by sending her death threats.

Re:Here we go again (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774337)

You don't respond to a feminist critique by sending her death threats.

You don't need to, the Feminists manufacture them against themselves. Just Google Meg Lanker-Simmons.

Just proves the point (5, Insightful)

Rurik (113882) | about 3 months ago | (#47774099)

Trolling against her proves many of her points. Many take trolling as a sport to revel in their anonymity, but the threatening comments are extreme.
(https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/504718160902492160/photo/1)

In my opinion, her videos are, in places, poorly researched with many leaps of logic mixed with heavy opinions. But, they still contain very valid points and can be civilly debated.

Evolve, people. At least keep the trolling to a respectable severity.

Re:Just proves the point (2)

chispito (1870390) | about 3 months ago | (#47774119)

But that's no longer trolling.

Evolve, people. At least keep the trolling to a respectable severity.

Re:Just proves the point (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774157)

Thirteen year old kids don't have empathy. They still think it is fun to pour salt on snails. Trolling women like this isn't done out of ideology or social concern. Arguments about "proving her right" are meaningless to these trolls.

They are in it for the lulz, and they think her suffering is funny, and nothing short of direct punishment will curtail them.

Re:Just proves the point (5, Insightful)

Daemonik (171801) | about 3 months ago | (#47774279)

The sad thing is that a lot of serious trolls aren't 13 year olds. They're 40 year olds, with kids and wives who you think would have some brains, but sadly still seem to get off on just being miserable pricks.

Re:Just proves the point (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774281)

They are in it for the lulz, and they think her suffering is funny, and nothing short of direct punishment will curtail them.

In that case it's time to track them down and administer some direct punishment. Make an example of a few of them.

Won't work of course, but it will be satisfying.

Re:Just proves the point (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774177)

It's amazing the cops will arrest kids for making stupid comments on facebook (Justin Carter) and completing writings assignments in school that contain a whiff of fantasy violence (killing dinosaurs with a gun), but nothing intentionally directed at real targets or society with true intent of harm, yet when actual threats of intended violence are directed at someone specific, those people get away with it.

Re:Just proves the point (0, Troll)

geek (5680) | about 3 months ago | (#47774197)

But, they still contain very valid points and can be civilly debated.

I don't believe they can be civilly debated at all. Modern day feminists are not rational. My feminist professors in school very clearly, openly and without fear, gave extreme preference to the women in class. It was out in the open for all to see, but because almost every professor was a women, every administrator etc on up the chain, they could operate with impunity.

Feminists in the 50's-60's even 70's were about equality, something that has long been achieved. Today's feminist is about superiority and the subjugation of men. They are completely different animal. It's like comparing Dr. Martin Luther King to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. These people are extremists that are heavily dependant, financially and in their careers, on their extremism.

I don't wish harm on this woman, but I honestly don't give a rats ass that she is being threatened. She and her kind do more harm to men in this country than anyone else and subsequently more harm to women with their chicken little calls of intolerance and mysogyny. I no longer listen to women that complain about it precisely because of this woman and her ilk. It's all just noise now like calls of racism from Al Sharpton.

Re:Just proves the point (4, Insightful)

serviscope_minor (664417) | about 3 months ago | (#47774257)

I don't believe they can be civilly debated at all.

Well, no. Not with you and the reason is you are clearly very very bigoted:

Modern day feminists are not rational.

There, you've made a gross generalisation about a whole group of people and therefore this one in particular. It is not possible to debate with *you* on this topic because instead of listening to her videos and bringing up points to disagree with you launched into:

$PERSON is of $GENERAL_CATEGORY. I assert that $GENERAL_CATEGORY is unreasonable in some way and cannot be reasoned with. Therefore $PERSON cannot be reasoned with.

The only person who cannot be reasoned with is *you*.

Re:Just proves the point (0, Troll)

geek (5680) | about 3 months ago | (#47774331)

Well, no. Not with you and the reason is you are clearly very very bigoted:

Thanks for proving my point. You can go hang out with Al Sharpton now.

Re:Just proves the point (3, Insightful)

serviscope_minor (664417) | about 3 months ago | (#47774439)

Thanks for proving my point

Your point was that you haven't read anything by this person, can't quote anything by her and yet dismiss everything she has to say. I'm glad that you agree that I proved my point that you're a raging bigot.

Re:Just proves the point (4, Insightful)

Daemonik (171801) | about 3 months ago | (#47774391)

I don't believe they can be civilly debated at all. Modern day feminists are not rational. My feminist professors in school very clearly, openly and without fear, gave extreme preference to the women in class. It was out in the open for all to see, but because almost every professor was a women, every administrator etc on up the chain, they could operate with impunity.

Yeah, hi that's called "Existing every damn day as a woman" everywhere outside of feminist classes in college. The sad thing is you notice it sucks, but you don't connect that it sucks when guys do it to women. Not that all men walk around planning how to keep the ladies down, it's more insidious than that because the majority of the time we just don't think about it at all. That's how games get released with no female character options, or female NPC's with redonkulous boobs, because the guys making the game just never put in a second to think "how will women, who are a huge factor in life, think about this".

I don't wish harm on this woman, but I honestly don't give a rats ass that she is being threatened. She and her kind do more harm to men in this country than anyone else and subsequently more harm to women with their chicken little calls of intolerance and mysogyny. I no longer listen to women that complain about it precisely because of this woman and her ilk. It's all just noise now like calls of racism from Al Sharpton.

Okay, right there you've just justified every bad feminist example that you whine about. You are the problem.

Re:Just proves the point (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774445)

Why was this modded down? They made a very insightful point that they backed up. Honestly, Feminism is already dead if it has to resort to censorship to survive.

Re: Just proves the point (0)

loufoque (1400831) | about 3 months ago | (#47774247)

I don't understand. Is that supposed to be scary?

What lessons are the video games teaching? (1)

QuietLagoon (813062) | about 3 months ago | (#47774111)

Hopefully the lessons are not the ones that surfaced in this story...

Slashdot comments indicative of the problem (5, Insightful)

Sonny Yatsen (603655) | about 3 months ago | (#47774133)

It seems to me that the first few comments made to Slashdot about this story is indicative of the problem at large. The first comments (made by anonymous cowards) immediately conjectured that Sarkeesian is to blame, that she concoted the death threats as a publicity stunt.

You must ask yourself honestly : Why is it, when faced with stories like this, is your first instinct to claim that the woman lied or made it up?

Re:Slashdot comments indicative of the problem (2, Insightful)

chispito (1870390) | about 3 months ago | (#47774175)

You must ask yourself honestly : Why is it, when faced with stories like this, is your first instinct to claim that the woman lied or made it up?

Because they identify with her tormentors.

Re:Slashdot comments indicative of the problem (5, Insightful)

i kan reed (749298) | about 3 months ago | (#47774407)

Honestly, no, I don't entirely think that's it. I mean, obviously tribalisism is part of it. She's the outgroup, the threateners are the ingroup. But it's also genuine sexism.

I know, I know,. You're not allowed to accuse people of being sexist or racist behaviors, because it's like an ad hominem, and you're a social justice warrior, or whatever.

But bear in mind the "lies about being harmed in order to manipulate" thing is a stereotype about women that misogynistic fucks absolutely love. So they see a woman making that accusation, the stereotype activates in their mind, and they immediately apply it to the current situation.

Re:Slashdot comments indicative of the problem (1)

Daemonik (171801) | about 3 months ago | (#47774415)

Pretty much, or they are her tormentors.

Re:Slashdot comments indicative of the problem (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774193)

Because she has form. She is known to have lied about being a gamer, and to have lied about the content of games. See about a million youtube discussions thereof for extensive evidence.

Re:Slashdot comments indicative of the problem (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774227)

Why is it, when faced with stories like this, is your first instinct to claim that the woman lied or made it up?

Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

Re:Slashdot comments indicative of the problem (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | about 3 months ago | (#47774443)

No, he's not asking if you stopped beating your wife. He's asking you" why do you beat your wife? " While the question presupposes guilt ( entirely justified in this case as the first few comments are proof), it does not force you into a situation where any valid reply forces your admission to the presupposed crime.

Some people just don't understand language. /pet peeve

Re:Slashdot comments indicative of the problem (1)

buchner.johannes (1139593) | about 3 months ago | (#47774239)

I liked this comment: "Her arguments [are] open to plenty of valid criticism that the female gender is not always misused in video games."
So many things wrong with this sentence. Somehow, people have the urge to bend their view so the troll side, and their means of death threats, is also justified.

Just tell them (4, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 3 months ago | (#47774263)

You must ask yourself honestly : Why is it, when faced with stories like this, is your first instinct to claim that the woman lied or made it up?

Come on, we all know why it is. Just fucking tell them. Tell them that it's their first instinct because they don't want to believe that they could be part of the problem, however slightly. Tell them that they don't want to believe that people they know and call friends are actually acting like complete shitbags. Tell them that you know that they've been hurt, that they feel worthless and useless and powerless, and that you know they feel more powerful and thus more worthy and useful when they make someone else feel even worse about themselves.

And then tell them that the only way that they're ever going to feel better is by helping to create a world where we don't just shit all over one another. Because you've got to tie it into their self-interest.

Naturally, most of them won't listen right away. But perhaps eventually, after continuing to try making the world shittier as a way of making it a nicer place to live, they will start watching where they shit.

Re:Slashdot comments indicative of the problem (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774271)

Because she has done it before. She deliberately deletes "legitimate" comments in order to highlight the abusive ones, then goes out and tells people she's being oppressed. There is also evidence that she, herself, creates sockpuppet accounts specifically to make troll posts against her main account for more attention. That said, I've been intentionally trying to ignore her for the past year so as not to contribute to her whole gameplan. /. should ignore her as well. If people like this get attention, they win.

Re:Slashdot comments indicative of the problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774305)

I have a fact to share with you: People lie all the time. Especially when it involves attempting to get other people to believe what they themselves believe or when they stand to gain something by lying. In this case she may get both so why assume that she is telling the truth?

Re:Slashdot comments indicative of the problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774333)

Because of who she is and her history ?

Re:Slashdot comments indicative of the problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774345)

You must ask yourself honestly : Why is it, when faced with stories like this, is your first instinct to claim that the woman lied or made it up?

Because you are an asshat who harasses women...

Slashdot comments indicative of the problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774367)

Because she has a history of lying and being manipulative, and making up exactly these types of attacks on her.

Her Videos Are Shit (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774135)

I don't say this as some male mysoginist. I say this as someone who watched their videos hoping for what was promised in her over-hyped Kickstarter: A real exploration of themes in a historical biased industry.

What I got was the same old feminist bleating that dominates the discussion. It's shallow, reductive, and, in many cases, insulting to those of us who are fighting for true equality and recognition.

Re:Her Videos Are Shit (2)

mellon (7048) | about 3 months ago | (#47774231)

Okay. Suppose that's true. This justifies graphic torture/death threats?

I've watched her videos too. I think her main problem is that she's a bit of a perfectionist—e.g., her criticisms of The Hunger Games (the book) are valid, but unnecessary: the book is more than good enough, even if there are things that could have been done better differently. But this particular video seems pretty accurate based on my experiences of video games. It's hard to find games I'm willing to play, because I am not willing to play through scenes like the ones depicted in her recent video.

Now, having said that, do you feel that I too should suffer death threats and threats of torture, or is the correct response simply to explain why you disagree with me, or why your experience differs from mine?

Re:Her Videos Are Shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774373)

You haven't made a career out of being a professional victim.

You don't think the timing on this is just a wee bit suspicious, with the rapidly decreasing viewership of her "educational" videos and another scandal taking the limelight? If these threats are credible and reported and long-running, why am I unable to pull up the police blotter records of older threats? Just because she says something doesn't mean it happened.

Re:Her Videos Are Shit (1)

sandytaru (1158959) | about 3 months ago | (#47774245)

They actually made me think a bit, though. I too thought it was funny as heck that you could beat up the hookers in GTA and get your money back, but that's because I recognize that the GTA franchise is all about doing things that would be illegal or outright immoral in real life. But I'm a mentally healthy, socially well adjusted (mostly) adult, and I recognize that video games are not meant to be an instruction manual for life. Someone who is mentally ill, younger, or un-educated might not recognize that nuance as well.

Re:Her Videos Are Shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774403)

what are you some kind of apologetic wuss?

Re:Her Videos Are Shit (1)

alen (225700) | about 3 months ago | (#47774419)

yeah, she complains that ms pac man is a just a male character prettied up with cultural female crap to look female. and she is saying this wearing earrings, lipstick and other cultural female items. except for the plad shirt

Who cares? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774137)

Oh my god, who the hell cares?

Pass the popcorn (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774143)

Toxic trolls versus shrill SJWs. If we're lucky, they'll annihilate each other and the rest of us normal folks will be left in peace.

Westboro Baptist Church (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774147)

Her entire career is based on being harassed. She is a bit like Westboro Baptist Church that way.

There are people (both men and women) who are truly in an exposed position and are being harassed without having provoked it, my sympathy goes to them.
As for Sarkeesian, the best thing we can do to reduce her harassment is to ignore her. The less focus that is drawn to her the less she will be harassed.
Unfortunately she might need to get a real job then and I doubt her personality will allow for that.

Prediction (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774163)

There will be lots of sexist comments here that will receive high scores as insightful and interesting. Always disappointing to read the comments on this topic. Hopefully there's one genuinely decent comment that doesn't explain how women are really the sexist ones and that men are under attack.

Angry mob vs Professional victim. (3, Informative)

TapeCutter (624760) | about 3 months ago | (#47774181)

I think this woman is a liar and an attention seeker, but she certainly doesn't deserve that sort of attention. An violent mob is morally repugnant, a self promoting professional victim is simply a pitiful individual.

Re:Angry mob vs Professional victim. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774389)

>liar and an attention seeker

aka "every human being ever"

The shame about this situation... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774199)

The shame about this situation, other than the harassment Sarkeesian had to personally endure, is that she and her defenders will never have to address serious criticisms against her work and game journalism at large. Diminishing the real merit of those criticisms by lumping everyone together as trolls, as the Verge has done, is simply going to encourage more trolling by playing into the narrative that the media is playing favorites or operating with an agenda that should be outside the scope of journalism.

I hate men and all of the /. users (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774201)

That is what /. keeps telling us. That we're hated and we're all rapists too. Seriously who the fuck keeps putting all of the man hating stories on /.

Fuck /. and fuck beta. I think I'm about done with this shithole after what? 15 years?

Way to go /.

Subsection of Trolls (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774205)

Can we split the definition of trolls?

I mean, trolling in my experience is playful, like feigning ignorance in order to induce a reaction from someone else who is being completely serious. It is harmlessly "messing with someone."

But this unrelenting cyber bullying is something different altogether.

So can we call them cyber bullies instead of trolls? They make trolling not fun.

Apparently the trolls are out here, too (4, Interesting)

admiralh (21771) | about 3 months ago | (#47774223)

And of course they are all posting as "Anonymous Coward."

I think Slashdot ought to consider that some articles, especially those about anonymous internet trolls going open loop, might be set to not allow anonymous posting.

Re:Apparently the trolls are out here, too (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774301)

Kill yourself, fag.

Re:Apparently the trolls are out here, too (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 3 months ago | (#47774361)

That's a great Idea.

Apparently the trolls are out here, too (2, Insightful)

kick6 (1081615) | about 3 months ago | (#47774371)

And of course they are all posting as "Anonymous Coward."

But of course. No one wants to risk getting Eich'ed or doxxed because they don't toe the SJW/leftoid/women-as-perpetual-victim line. And yes...I'm posting this with my username. I'm sure some extremist feminist will dox me as has been seen to be the "best defense is a good offense" approach to dealing with said transgressions in the Zoe Quinn case.

Re:Apparently the trolls are out here, too (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774401)

I attempted to make a reasoned response here as anonymous, don't assume all anonymous posts are bad please.

No inherent meaning to this event (3, Insightful)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | about 3 months ago | (#47774251)

Obviously such behavior is abhorrent, but it doesn't do to claim that most people that fit in any category are psychos publicly and then be surprised when a few people exibit the behavior and say essentially: See that proves it!. I could easily say all republican are, or all democrates are $INSERT_VOLATILE_CLAIM and then act surprised when a few of them behave that way and say "See! I told you so!", and it would be a similiarly foul conclusion.

News flash: A lot of people who play video games are immature and / or kids, and a subset of them will behave in this manner when provoked.

The only conclusion that can be drawn from this, assuming it happened as described, is: "Hey, this is what happened". Anyone surprised it happened doesn't understand the human race at all. It was pretty much guaranteed to happen.

Re:No inherent meaning to this event (1)

magsol (1406749) | about 3 months ago | (#47774325)

So your solution, then, is anarchy? I mean if the human race is going to do its own thing anyway, irrespective of nuances like "laws" and "don't be a dick."

Re:No inherent meaning to this event (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 3 months ago | (#47774393)

IT wouldn't happen if all those people weren't anonymous.

And there has been plenty of discourse about hot topics throughout out the human existence that didn't not end with people threatening violence.

When was the last time (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774253)

When was the last time some woman wrote a single line of code ?

And thus. . . (1)

smooth wombat (796938) | about 3 months ago | (#47774269)

the stereotype of gamers, and men in general, are perpetuated.

Stereotypes exist for a reason folks. Keep giving reasons to use them.

Slashdot too huh? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774317)

This is EVERYWHERE amongst gaming circles right now, it's really hit the goddamned fan.

There's this line drawn in the sand and both camps are insisting you MUST be either on side A or side B, there's no middle ground.

Let it be known, trolls threatening people or harassing them is lame, it's stupid and they deserve mockery. No one should have to endure that.
The vast vast majority of the politically correct camp, arguing for equality are certainly correct.

However,... much like religion and many other things in life, there are hardcore fundamentalist type nutcases hijacking things. Pushing it to the extreme.
If you're a gamer who keeps your finger on the pulse, be it forums, podcasts, news articles, etc, you may have noticed there always seems to be someone, somewhere looking for a reason to find a flaw with what is being said, specifically to the political correctness of it. Something being said is offending someone. It honestly comes across to me like there's some kind of merit badge for being the most guilty, "No,.. no it's *ME*! I'm the one most aware of these issues and *I'm* the most offended on behalf of X Y or Z demographic"
These people then go on to belittle others and they are endlessly finding new ways to be offended, they've been labelled "SJW's" and honestly I hate to say it but it's a fitting description for some of these people.

I listened to a recent Eat-Sleep-Game podcast about 6 months back and one of the people on that, who is, well infamous for his excessive guilt tripping (mainly of himself) was discussing something regarding a game with a fellow journalist, something was said and he basically said something along the lines of "well that was clearly due to racism" (or sexism or homophobia) or some such. The problem was, what was said wasn't, it had nothing to do with it, it was completely off the cuff. You could basically hear the person he was talking it with do a o_O wtf. (sorry I don't recall finer specifics) This endless race to be *THE* best person and endlessly thinking about X Y or Z agenda.

I don't know where the line gets drawn, it seems any little thing is promoting "rape culture" or sexism or some such. I don't want to offend people, I genuinely, honestly do not want to - I don't want to be ignorant and just point and laugh or say stupid things. However I feel like the goalposts are constantly moving. What's not sexist according to politically correct group A, may be a "trigger" for politically correct group B and therefore I'm some kind of scum.

I really tire of reading my twitter feed and feeling guilty, or feeling like I'm supposed to feel guilty about something or other.
This post may read like I'm either condoning the actions of the idiot harassers or at least sympathising with them. I'm not. I can say I feel frustrated posting online for fear that *something* I say will offend someone, I'm expressing the frustration through anxiety, keeping my mouth shut and avoiding discussion about the topic. I'm not exploding at people, I'm not threatening, I'm hot even REMOTELY condoning the behaviour of those attacking others. I'm simply saying both sides aren't perfect.

It's not often I post using anonymous on slashdot but on this topic, I have no choice, because it seems, you're with or against us, I can't begin to argue in any way that hey, maybe both sides are being a bit nutty, unless I outright 100% admit, NOPE YOU GUYS ARE 100% RIGHT AND THEY ARE EVIL or some such. Honestly this is now worse than politics.

I've got no doubt this post will offend someone somehow, there's no intention to, I don't take delight in offending whoever you are, I'm sorry it offends you. All I can say is, I'm not surprised someone, somewhere is offended, that's life, you can't be everything to everyone.

God help us slashdot, please take note of dupe news articles though and please let us only discuss this particular event the once this month, I can't take much more of this, it's killing the internet.

Re:Slashdot too huh? (1)

Ash-Fox (726320) | about 3 months ago | (#47774385)

To be frank. What did she expect? Every single time gaming/gamers/games has been pointed out for being bad (think create violence, sex, obsessions) it's been slammed by the community. For someone who spends a lot of time analyzing stuff, she didn't really look hard at the history of gaming related allegations.

Unfortunate but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774329)

This is terrible, naturally. No one should be threatened for political or social views. Let's hope the coppers bust these people so they can explain themselves in front of a judge.

That being said, her videos are frankly awful. Her mile wide inch deep 'analysis' is really stuck at a first semester undergraduate level. She once did a video analysis of christmas songs and went after songs like 'I saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus' and 'All I Want for Christmas Is You' as being creepy and anti-feminist respectively because, in the latter's case, a woman shouldn't need a man to be happy.

I don't know if misogeny is entirely a lie (1)

MikeRT (947531) | about 3 months ago | (#47774339)

But I do know that the way most SJWs wield it would, in a civilized society, result in civil and criminal action for defamation. Most of it is just a way of saying "you disagree with me, therefore you are a bigot." That isn't harmless speech. You are attempting to destroy someone's stance for the non-crime of a disagreement.

Well... (2, Insightful)

Agares (1890982) | about 3 months ago | (#47774347)

The fact that these threats have been made is more than enough to prove her point. Not all of us men are bad, but there are plenty of stupid males that I have known that add fuel to this fire and show that there is at least some truth to it. It is my fellow men like these ones that really make me mad, and I wonder why any of them would treat a woman like this. I do think that some feminists go over board since some think all men are bad, however there are perfectly reasonable ones as well who get harrased and threatened like this poor lady.

/m@od up (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47774351)

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